Biblical Mary

[Taken]

And yet, you couldn't figure out why the Israelites prostrated themselves before an object - and weren't guilty of "idolatry"..

Not my fault you can not identify a Scripture.
Not my fault you are angry.

 

[Brakelite]

LYING is what makes a person an anti-Catholic - not "disagreeing".

I have used Catholic sources which teach certain principles with which you disagree and called me anti Catholic for quoting them. For example, I have quoted Thomas Aquinas previously regarding his absurd teaching regarding the treatment of heretics. When I pointed out that the church has followed his lead in the destruction and murder of those who simply disagree with Catholic theology, thus heretics, and they number in the millions, all of a sudden I am anti Catholic. And all I am doing is putting out where Catholic practice has faithfully followed on from Catholic teaching. In other words, the murderers and persecuters within the church are merely good Catholics. Am I a liar?

 

[BreadOfLife]

No. My words were sufficient.
You gave no quote or reference to any Scripture.

Ummmm, this is a debate forum - your word is NEVER sufficient without evidence to support it.

Didn't anyone ever tell you that?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not my fault you can not identify a Scripture.
Not my fault you are angry.

HUH??
I've done nothing BUT present Scriptural evidence for my arguments.

Debating with you is a LOT like debating with a mindless Democrat.
No matter HOW much evidence you pile in front of them - they pretend that there's "nothing" there.

MUCH like our friends below . . .

 

[Taken]

Ummmm, this is a debate forum - your word is NEVER sufficient without evidence to support it.

Didn't anyone ever tell you that?

I do not have to PROVE to you what is IN MY home. You making False Claims about what is IN MY home, then saying you do not know what is IN MY home....IS the Evidence that supports ...you made a false claim.
Even a child could figure that out....

You spend so much time screeching you are always right and everyone who disagrees with you is always wrong....
you simply reveal your consistent reputation of immature bullish and foolish behavior.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have used Catholic sources which teach certain principles with which you disagree and called me anti Catholic for quoting them. For example, I have quoted Thomas Aquinas previously regarding his absurd teaching regarding the treatment of heretics. When I pointed out that the church has followed his lead in the destruction and murder of those who simply disagree with Catholic theology, thus heretics, and they number in the millions, all of a sudden I am anti Catholic. And all I am doing is putting out where Catholic practice has faithfully followed on from Catholic teaching. In other words, the murderers and persecuters within the church are merely good Catholics. Am I a liar?

Do you see what you did there?

You began by trying to excuse your anti-Catholicism by stating that you never lie - and then you spout of a historically unsubstantiated number like "millions". Well-educated anti=Catholics stopped using terms like this a LONG time ago.

As I have stated before - it is IMPOSSIBLE for anti-Catholics NOT to lie when it comes to the Catholic Church.
Otherwise, their house of cards collapses . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I do not have to PROVE to you what is IN MY home. You making False Claims about what is IN MY home, then saying you do not know what is IN MY home....IS the Evidence that supports ...you made a false claim.
Even a child could figure that out....

You spend so much time screeching you are always right and everyone who disagrees with you is always wrong....
you simply reveal your consistent reputation of immature bullish and foolish behavior.

Look - you denied even having a driver's license.
Maybe that's true - but you certainly didn't "prove" anything, Einstein . . .

 

[Taken]

I've done nothing BUT present Scriptural evidence for my arguments.

FALSE.
Twice you said:

was okay for the Israelites to prostrate themselves before the Ark.

Twice you were asked for a Scriptural quote or reference for your claim.
Twice you failed.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What I said required no explanation. LOL

Ummmmm, what you say on a debate forum ALWAYS requires explanation . . .

 

[Taken]

Look - you denied even having a driver's license.

NO EVIDENCE OF YOUR CLAIM EXISTS.
NOTHING NEW.
Just another of your FALSE CLAIMS.

 

[BreadOfLife]

FALSE.
Twice you said:

Twice you were asked for a Scriptural quote or reference for your claim.
Twice you failed.

No - I aske YOU to tell me why it was okay for the Israelites to bow before an object and NOT be accused of "idolatry" because you accuse Catholics of the SAME thing. Why was the Ark not an "Idol"??

YOU failed to give me an answer because you're too busy dodging the questions . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

NO EVIDENCE OF YOUR CLAIM EXISTS.
NOTHING NEW.
Just another of your FALSE CLAIMS.

Again . . .

 

[Taken]

Ummmmm, what you say on a debate forum ALWAYS requires explanation . . .

LOL...

 

[Taken]

No - I aske YOU to tell me why it was okay for the Israelites to bow before an object and NOT be accused of "idolatry" because you accuse Catholics of the SAME thing. Why was the Ark not an "Idol"??

YOU failed to give me an answer because you're too busy dodging the questions . . .

Your questions are foolish.
I have zero obligation to answer foolish questions.

If you present a question based on source identified in Scripture, that stands with merit to consider answering.

If you present a statement telling me what I think, before I answer a question....
THAT is WICKED deception....and YOUR USUAL reputation.

 

[Taken]

Again . . .

AGAIN ... per your reputation!
Laughable on it's face!

 

[Taken]

Again . . .

LOL...are those images of your IDOLS?

 

[Taken]

BOL -↑
And yet, you couldn't figure out why the Israelites prostrated themselves before an object - and weren't guilty of "idolatry"..

Taken -
Not my fault you can not identify a Scripture.
Not my fault you are angry.
LOL

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your questions are foolish.
I have zero obligation to answer foolish questions.

If you present a question based on source identified in Scripture, that stands with merit to consider answering.

If you present a statement telling me what I think, before I answer a question....
THAT is WICKED deception....and YOUR USUAL reputation.

My questions are only "foolish" because you CAN'T give an answer.
This is the SAME tactic you use whenever you get stumped.

Joshua 7:6 says:
Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the Lord, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.

Sooooo, tell me - WHY were they NOT guilty of "idolatry" prostrating themselves before an object - yet Catholics ARE guilty of praying before a crucifix?
Your hypocrisy and dishonesty know NO bounds . . .

 

[Illuminator]

I have used Catholic sources which teach certain principles with which you disagree and called me anti Catholic for quoting them. For example, I have quoted Thomas Aquinas previously regarding his absurd teaching regarding the treatment of heretics. When I pointed out that the church has followed his lead in the destruction and murder of those who simply disagree with Catholic theology, thus heretics, and they number in the millions, all of a sudden I am anti Catholic. And all I am doing is putting out where Catholic practice has faithfully followed on from Catholic teaching. In other words, the murderers and persecuters within the church are merely good Catholics. Am I a liar?

You bear false witness. The SDA is obsessed with Catholic bashing, particularly with exaggerated histories as you have just proved. TODAY, nobody accepts Auquinas' outdated teachings. He was addressing the heresiarchs of his day, that were a threat to society. You guys always leave out historical context to paint Aquinas as a blood thirsty monster. It's not the 12th century.

Presentism: In literary and historical analysis, presentism is the anachronistic introduction of present-day ideas and perspectives into depictions or interpretations of the past. Some modern historians seek to avoid presentism in their work because they consider it a form of cultural bias, and believe it creates a distorted understanding of their subject matter. The practice of presentism is regarded by some as a common fallacy when writing about the past. (wiki)

As we all know and as many of our well established textbooks have argued for decades, the Inquisition was one of the most frightening and bloody chapters in Western history, Pope Pius XII was anti-Semitic and rightfully called “Hitler’s Pope,” the Dark Ages were a stunting of the progress of knowledge to be redeemed only by the secular spirit of the Enlightenment, and the religious Crusades were an early example of the rapacious Western thirst for riches and power. But what if these long held beliefs were all wrong?

In this stunning, powerful, and ultimately persuasive book, Rodney Stark, one of the most highly regarded sociologists of religion and bestselling author of The Rise of Christianity (HarperSanFrancisco 1997) (he is NOT a Catholic) argues that some of our most firmly held ideas about history, ideas that paint the Catholic Church in the least positive light are, in fact, fiction. Why have we held these wrongheaded ideas so strongly and for so long? And if our beliefs are wrong, what, in fact, is the truth?
In each chapter, Stark takes on a well-established anti-Catholic myth, gives a fascinating history of how each myth became the conventional wisdom, and presents a startling picture of the real truth. For example,

• Instead of the Spanish Inquisition being an anomaly of torture and murder of innocent people persecuted for “imaginary” crimes such as witchcraft and blasphemy, Stark argues that not only did the Spanish Inquisition spill very little blood, but it was a major force in support of moderation and justice.
• Instead of Pope Pius XII being apathetic or even helpful to the Nazi movement, such as to merit the title, “Hitler’s Pope,” Stark shows that the campaign to link Pope Pius XII to Hitler was initiated by the Soviet Union, presumably in hopes of neutralizing the Vatican in post-World War II affairs. Pope Pius XII was widely praised for his vigorous and devoted efforts to saving Jewish lives during the war.
• Instead of the Dark Ages being understood as a millennium of ignorance and backwardness inspired by the Catholic Church’s power, Stark argues that the whole notion of the “Dark Ages” was an act of pride perpetuated by anti-religious intellectuals who were determined to claim that theirs was the era of “Enlightenment.”

In the end, readers will not only have a more accurate history of the Catholic Church, they will come to understand why it became unfairly maligned for so long. Bearing False Witness is a compelling and sobering account of how egotism and ideology often work together to give us a false truth.

Backlit is too proud to be corrected.

 

[Illuminator]

My questions are only "foolish" because you CAN'T give an answer.
This is the SAME tactic you use whenever you get stumped.

Joshua 7:6 says:
Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the Lord, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.

Sooooo, tell me - WHY were they NOT guilty of "idolatry" prostrating themselves before an object - yet Catholics ARE guilty of praying before a crucifix?
Your hypocrisy and dishonesty know NO bounds . . .

Twice you were accused of not giving scriptural support, and twice you gave Joshua 7:6. This is why I have Taken on ignore. It's like talking to a wall.