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Which verse do you mean?that's not the verse or the prayer i was referring to.
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Which verse do you mean?that's not the verse or the prayer i was referring to.
If I missed it the first time, I apologize, but for sake of clarity, amidst the many words we've exchanged, please re-state it or point it out.The quote is in my post. Read more carefully
Which verse do you mean?
If I missed it the first time, I apologize, but for sake of clarity, amidst the many words we've exchanged, please re-state it or point it out.
I wish you would give me a chance to address this issue by either re-stating it or copying and pasting it into your reply.No. You can go back and read more easily than I can type the conversation over again, if you care to.
I wish you would give me a chance to address this issue by either re-stating it or copying and pasting it into your reply.
Thanks for presenting this. The way I understand it is. Jesus Is Israel in the New Covenant. Paul says this when he says Jesus is Abraham's seed (singular). And we who believe in him are also (in Galatians 3). Matthew also says this:I'm not real fluent in the whole multiquote thing dave. But I will try to lay it out.
You say the only way Israel will be grafted back in is through faith in Jesus. I agree.
There are many vss that say God has brought a temporary blindness on Israel, that there will come a time when it is lifted, that God will once more lead them into the desert and will again speak tenderly to them there.
I rejoice at those vss. Because I was blind as they now are and He let me see. I rejoice at them being able to see too.
Okay. And what of the verses i brought up?Thanks for presenting this. The way I understand it is. Jesus Is Israel in the New Covenant. Paul says this when he says Jesus is Abraham's seed (singular). And we who believe in him are also (in Galatians 3). Matthew also says this:
“When Israel was a child, then I loved him, And called my son out of Egypt.” (Hosea 11:1) cp;
“And [Jesus, Mary and Joseph] was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.” (Matthew 2:15)
So, it is into Jesus any broken off unbelievers will be grafted back, but only through faith in Christ. So the unbelievers are not Israel until they accept Christ.
Circumcision made one a Jew and a member of physical Israel. When Jesus abolished circumcision, nothing remained to make one a physical Jew or member of physical Israel according to the bible. SO only through Christ will unbelievers become members of biblical Israel. (documentation and detail available if interested).
Thanks for your help in this.
I searched through our discussions but remain in the dark about the ones you refer to. Please post them for sake of clarity.Okay. And what of the verses i brought up?
There are many vss that say God has brought a temporary blindness on Israel, that there will come a time when it is lifted, that God will once more lead them into the desert and will again speak tenderly to them there.
I rejoice at those vss. Because I was blind as they now are and He let me see. I rejoice at them being able to see too.
This is true, but the blindness is lifted when God reveals Christ to them, as he did with us. National conversion? Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Times of the gentiles? They end at the end of the world.These ones dave.
Okay, the whole nation? Maybe not. But at least you are acknowledging Hose a 2:14+This is true, but the blindness is lifted when God reveals Christ to them, as he did with us. National conversion? Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Times of the gentiles? They end at the end of the world.
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations [gentiles], baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:19–20)
“Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost [end].” (1 Thessalonians 2:16)
Thanks for presenting this. The way I understand it is. Jesus Is Israel in the New Covenant. Paul says this when he says Jesus is Abraham's seed (singular). And we who believe in him are also (in Galatians 3). Matthew also says this:
“When Israel was a child, then I loved him, And called my son out of Egypt.” (Hosea 11:1) cp;
“And [Jesus, Mary and Joseph] was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.” (Matthew 2:15)
So, it is into Jesus any broken off unbelievers will be grafted back, but only through faith in Christ. So the unbelievers are not Israel until they accept Christ.
Circumcision made one a Jew and a member of physical Israel. When Jesus abolished circumcision, nothing remained to make one a physical Jew or member of physical Israel according to the bible. SO only through Christ will unbelievers become members of biblical Israel. (documentation and detail available if interested).
Thanks for your help in this.
Restoration of Israel comes well before the rapture.Your short hand response to my post is very confusing as to how you arrived at the statements that you used in your post above.
The rapture does not figure as a sign post as to when Israel will be restored.
Where does 218 years come from?
The river that flows out from under the altar of the temple is the river of life inhabited by the saints.
The Ezekiel 47 prophecy is not about Jerusalem, that is just the starting point for the stream of water flowing to form the flowing river.
The specific verse that I quoted from Daniel 7, that is verse 27, is about the Saints receiving their inheritance of all of the earth after God has judged the beast and the little horn.
Perhaps you may like to retry formulating your response again in a manner in which others can come to the same understanding as was in your mind when you began composing you post in response to my previous post.
And the Adventures of Alice in Wonderland are totally factual!Jesus Is Israel and the land of Israel is the whole world.
Have you ever studied alternative views to your own from their point of view? There is safety in a multitude of councilors.And the Adventures of Alice in Wonderland are totally factual!
https://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Alice-Wonderland-Lewis-Carroll/dp/B000KE6C1C
Agreed, some 1,000 + years before the final rapture.Restoration of Israel comes well before the rapture.
This reference to 218 years may be relevant to a person from the US but for one who is not a citizen of the United States, it is a meaningless statement to make without providing the contextThe American Standard Version was published in 1900. 218 years ago.
I assume that your abbreviation "MK" is a reference to the Millennium Kingdom. If that assumption is true, then Ezekiel 47:1-12 does cover in the context of the overall prophecy, the 1,000 years of the MK. This prophecy covers a period of time from when Solomon's Temple was dedicated until the end of the MK. The threshold in the temple is the altar which supports the means of interacting with God, which is mentioned in the first verse of this prophecy: - Ezek 47:1: - ". . . flowing from under the threshold of the temple . . ." and the stream flows south under the wall before it begins to flow eastwards ". . . . toward the east, for the front of the temple faced east; the water was flowing from under the right side of the temple, south of the altar. He brought me out by way of the north gate, and led me around on the outside to the outer gateway that faces east; and there was water, running out on the right side. . . .Ezekiel is during the MK. That is where the river starts.
No mention of an altar or 4000 years.
Daniel is about the tribulation And MK.