Born again = No Sin

[Behold]

The "worker of iniquity".... the idea here is....to live in sin because you have no other lifestyle, or no other way to exist.
This is the unbeliever, the non-born again..

Notice the word "iniquity".......so, that is the word "sin", or = a sinner..

So the context is.....a worker, or a lifestyle of a SINNER....... = A sinner is not born again.

A born again person, is not a sinner, they are a SAINT......they have left the realm of the natural and are born again into God's Spirit, and in Him, "in Christ"...= there is no iniquity found.
See, when God looks at a child of God, He only sees His Righteousness that they have become as "the gift of Righteousness".
God will never see you any other way, if you are born again.

If you are not, then you are here ... John 3:36

So, this is why when a Christian behaves badly, .. Paul says we are committing : "works of the Flesh".

Well, works of the flesh are SIN, if you are a sinner......and a sinner is defined as someone who is under the dominion of the law, which is defining their deeds, their carnal lifestyle as "sinner". = They are NOT Born again.

This does not apply to someone who is born again, as all their SIN is on Jesus, who became their/ our sin and died.... which is full payment due US.
Saint, the reason you will only meet God as your Father, is because Jesus's blood, death and resurrection, this Blood Atonement, has made you eternally forgiven which is why God is able to give you the "New Birth", into Himself....."God is A Spirit". and you were birthed into the Spirit of God by the Holy Spirit, which is to become "one with God"....>"in Christ"....>"made righteous"..
This is : Born again.

So, only an unbeliever can live in iniquity, as its only an unbeliever who can be defined by the law, as a SINNER.

 

[Behold]

WE, the born again, can't be defined by the Law, as it has no power or dominion over us anymore, in God's perspective, and that is why Romans 4:8. and 2 Corinthians 5:19 were put in the NT for you by Paul.
Study...
The Born again are defined by "under GRACE".....and this dominion of Grace eternally defines the born again, as "in Christ", "justified by faith", having "The Gift of Righteousness".
So, if you are born again, and are not just water baptized and very religious.......and are returned to your old carnal habits, then you are as Paul defines...."committing works of the flesh", and are categorized as a "backslider".., and probably your faith is stone cold, dormant, and your discipleship is defined by James as "dead faith".
See, an unbeliever can't be defined as backslidden, as they have never had the born again experience to begin with...
But a believer can be defined as a backslider., even to the point of being "fallen from Grace" and having a "shipwrecked faith".
And remember, "dead faith" is not related to being born again, as being born again has already been completed.
So, "dead faith" only has to do with walking the walk of discipleship, that is separate from Salvation that God has given you as "the Gift of Salvation" that is proven by the fact that you are born again.

 

[Behold]

Being born again, is the only real proof of Salvation, as "fruit" can be faked.
The Devil's ministers fake having spiritual fruit 24/7.
They do it on Forums, they do it in Pulpits, and they do it as Preachers, Ministers, ect.
You have to learn how to hear a deceiver, or you will be led into deception by them and they will ruin your faith, and have you trying to keep yourself saved.

So what is the difference between a sinner sinning and a believer committing works of the flesh?
First, the unbeliever is under the law and the born again CHRISTian is "Under Grace".
Also, the sinner is going to hell.
The born again Believer is not.

Another difference is, that God is going to deal with the wayward child of God, according to Hebrews 12:6, and this does not happen to an unbeliever.
What happens to them, is that they "reap what they sow"..."be sure your sin will find you out".....only.

 

[Episkopos]

You need attention.

You need correction...and I'm here to stop you devouring the simple ones who think you have anything meaningful to say.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You need correction...and I'm here to stop you devouring the simple ones who think you have anything meaningful to say.

You deny the blood atonement.

Hence you deny christ.

your just here to turn people from the risen lord..

 

[Behold]

You need correction...

You can't "correct", Pauline Theology.
But you can look it up, Episkopos.
(Try Wikipedia)

Episkopos said...

""""""Jesus is an anointing...but He's not a blood atonement."""""


Jesus said...

King James Bible
For this is my blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

New King James Version
For this is My blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[ChristisGod]

You deny the blood atonement.

Hence you deny christ.

your just here to turn people from the risen lord..

Yes he is the one needy of correction with false doctrines and a false christ

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Being born again is God birthing our spirit into His Spirit by the Holy Spirit.
This is a "new birth", which is to become a "new Creation" "In Christ"., "one with God".

What is "imputed" is "The gift of Righteousness", whereby the believer becomes "the righteousness OF GOD..IN Christ".

I agree.

IOW, it is not without expression. Someone who willfully sins CANNOT say they have imputed righteousness covering them making them righteous in God's eyes. God is not blind; He sees all.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That is what you believe, except you believe their future sins are also not held against them. That is not what Romans 6 says.

You didn't deny or agree. What are your true thoughts?

And When you do this, you are walking in the Spirit, and when you don't, you are going to exist in

You are describing two different states of being. the first is a Christian, the second is not but a person without Christ living under the Ten Commandments. We either HAVE the Spirit and do not live in the old carnal nature, or our carnal nature has never been taken away by the cleansing blood of Christ and the Cross.

To possess correct faith , is how you "work out your salvation". Its how you "present your body a living sacrifice". Its how you learn to stop failing and sinning and confessing and repenting, and instead do what Paul told you to do.. = "if you walk in the Spirit, you will not commit works of the flesh".
All of this, is the outcome of having correct faith as the 'renewed mind".

Correct faith is divine power of God. Therefore, it is not us LEARNING to stop failing and sinning, thereby having to keep confessing and repenting. The desire to sin is taken away. The only way you can sin then is to willfully go against your new natue and conscience/heart, and rebel against God's leading. God does not take that lightly. "Vengence is Mine, I will repay." “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." This is not just chastisement. Only God can permit or deny repentance after this type of sin of the born again. This is where we've disagreed in the past. But what you don't understand is they willfully TRAMPLED ON THE BLOOD OF JESUS AND THE CROSS AND INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE they were previously sanctified by! This is they only way a born again can lose their salvation. This is also seen in Hebrews 6 - it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, (born again) 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

This is not talking about lukewarm pseudo-Christians who have never actually been filled with the Spirit, but who believe in Jesus to only the same degree the demons do. They can always repent and BECOME a true born again Christian.

Now to believe as God believes....>How do you do that?
Well, you learn to believe about yourself only as God SEES you. and Until you exit there in your faith, you will fail to live a Holy Life and you will only struggle.

What you are describing is true, but only of immature fruit of the Spirit - sins not unto death. They are the only sins a born again Christian can "struggle" with.
We do not struggle with the sins pertaining to your quote: "that which i want to do i can't, and that which i hate, i do" of life under the law of the OT in Romans 7.

This is why the first thing that is cleansed out of our nature are the mortal sins of death as judgment, the type of sin that are against the Ten Commandments - called lawlessness. They are taken out of us and we cannot commit them taking us from death to eternal life. If we still can, they've never been taken away in the first place.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

and here is the issue with striving against the flesh.
The flesh will win.
So, what is the remedy?

Its not to try to be good. Its to realize, understand, that God has made you as righteous and as holy as He is, by giving to the born again "the gift of Righteousness".

NO, BEHOLD, YOU'VE GOT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. You can not THINK yourself into being born again when YOU ARE NOT, and THINK yourself as righteous when you are NOT. Those are dead works. They produce nothing! Wanting Jesus to be your Savior, while still in love with darkness, and WANTING TO KEEP THE DARKNESS, JUST NOT THE CONDEMNATION IS NOT SALVATION, nor are you given the mind of Christ to think righteously with!

The difference is we will be in love with darkness because of the sin nature we come to Jesus with. But if our desire is to NOT WANT TO STAY THAT WAY. THAT is REPENTANCE. That is what Only Jesus can do! Take away our desire for darness because we don't want it. Our responsibility is to truly REPENT. That is all. HE TAKES OVER BY TAKING THE DESIRE FOR DARKNESS AND TO SIN AWAY. NO MORE STRUGGLE!

That is when we can RECKON ourselves born again because it will be the truth.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

HE TAKES OVER BY TAKING THE DESIRE FOR DARKNESS AND TO SIN AWAY. NO MORE STRUGGLE!

Suffering in the flesh by denying its desires is what WE do, not Christ.

“…for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin…” (1 Peter 4:1)

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Jesus is THE Son of God, not an "anointing".

And Jesus IS The New Covenant.....It's His very Blood.

Let Jesus tell you, so that you can deny it again in Public, Episkopos, for the members to see....

Jesus said to you.....""This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.""""

I will agree and give you a "like" with what is right, But only correct what isn't.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Put your FAITH there, Give God your faith, as He accepts nothing else to thereby take what Jesus has done for you, and apply it to you, as:

NO! It is not OUR faith! We are not the author of our faith. Jesus is the AUTHOR and finisher of our FAITH. Faith is what we believe and therefore are obedient to - Jesus gives us that first level of faith by writing His laws on our heart/conscience when we want Him to. Repentance has to do with what WE want but don't have the power to achieve.

Romans 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

God's righteousness is contained in His laws he writes on our heart, and give us a nature that lives by them. The sin nature was in opposition to His laws. that is why what you quoted from Romans 7 was true, but only for those with a sin nature. WE DON'T HAVE A SIN NATURE. IT WAS TAKEN AWAY BY CHRIST SO THAT WE CAN BE IN CHRIST. We cannot be IN Christ and still sin. That is not the gospel as some think, like Calvinism.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Suffering in the flesh by denying its desires is what WE do, not Christ.

“…for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin…” (1 Peter 4:1)

Don't read verses out of context? Did Christ suffer with sin? NO! His nature was pure. He only suffered in bodily flesh, not our nature. Our suffering this way has to do with when the world hates us. Some have even been martyred.

1 Peter 4:
Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. 3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Did Christ suffer with sin? NO!

He only suffered in bodily flesh, not our nature.

Get ready for your crow sandwich:

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15)

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Get ready for your crow sandwich:

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15)

Stop! You're embarrassing yourself!

Jesus had the power to resist temptation, and has give the same power to us. Don't you know anything about the born again of the Spirit experience? Unfortunately not many in the Church have! They are too busy traveling down the wide highway.

Matthew 7:13-14
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

This is why we MUST be born again.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Don't you know anything about the born again of the Spirit experience?

Don’t you know anything about the Bible reading and comprehension experience?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Don’t you know anything about the Bible reading and comprehension experience?

You would benefit from listening instead of talking your nonsense.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You didn't deny or agree. What are your true thoughts?



You are describing two different states of being. the first is a Christian, the second is not but a person without Christ living under the Ten Commandments. We either HAVE the Spirit and do not live in the old carnal nature, or our carnal nature has never been taken away by the cleansing blood of Christ and the Cross.


Correct faith is divine power of God. Therefore, it is not us LEARNING to stop failing and sinning, thereby having to keep confessing and repenting. The desire to sin is taken away. The only way you can sin then is to willfully go against your new natue and conscience/heart, and rebel against God's leading. God does not take that lightly. "Vengence is Mine, I will repay." “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." This is not just chastisement. Only God can permit or deny repentance after this type of sin of the born again. This is where we've disagreed in the past. But what you don't understand is they willfully TRAMPLED ON THE BLOOD OF JESUS AND THE CROSS AND INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE they were previously sanctified by! This is they only way a born again can lose their salvation. This is also seen in Hebrews 6 - it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, (born again) 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

This is not talking about lukewarm pseudo-Christians who have never actually been filled with the Spirit, but who believe in Jesus to only the same degree the demons do. They can always repent and BECOME a true born again Christian.


What you are describing is true, but only of immature fruit of the Spirit - sins not unto death. They are the only sins a born again Christian can "struggle" with.
We do not struggle with the sins pertaining to your quote: "that which i want to do i can't, and that which i hate, i do" of life under the law of the OT in Romans 7.

This is why the first thing that is cleansed out of our nature are the mortal sins of death as judgment, the type of sin that are against the Ten Commandments - called lawlessness. They are taken out of us and we cannot commit them taking us from death to eternal life. If we still can, they've never been taken away in the first place.

@Behold,
Please go back to #50 and respond.