Born again = No Sin

[Behold]

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Saint, when you were born again..= "all things have become new".

Let me show you an evidence.
Its this..
Remember what you use to do, before you were born again?
You loved sin, and didn't SEE IT as sin. You saw it as... "Life".
That's How you use to think about sin, and you always wanted things that were bad for you, wrong, sinful.
In those days, you felt that certain "worldly" things were so very important and really mattered, most of all.
They don't now.. and that is because after you are born again for a while, you find that a lot of that carnal mindset, is gone, and keeps fading.

That is : "all things have become new".

That is God giving you new desires of the heart.
That is "Christ in you, the hope of Glory", changing you "from glory to glory" from the inside out.

Also..
If you been born again 10-20-30 yrs.....and you look back..you'll see those places, those times in your past where God stepped into your problem and pain and fear, and helped you OUT of it or helped you through it.
Or, where God stepped into your life and stopped you from making a life error that would have destroyed your life, marriage, kids, ministry, family.
That is, "all things have become new".


Notice also...

When you became a child of God, Son of God/Daughter of Christ......God instantly had a different viewpoint and eternal perspective of you.
No longer does He see you as this..

John 3:36 : "" He/She he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on them"..

See that?
That was God's perspective of you before you trusted in Christ and God accepted your Faith and made you righteous and gave you eternal life, forgiving all your sin through the Blood of Jesus..
That is "all things have become new"

And one more....

And This is a beauty beyond measure..

1.) Romans 4:8... """"Blessed is the one whose SIN the Lord God will never count against them again.”""

2.) 2 Corinthians 5:19. "God was in Christ, reconciling the WORLD to Himself, not counting people's sins against them".

See, when you trusted in Christ you activated God's eternal forgiveness... "In Christ".

See that Amazing Grace ??
God does not hold against you, or count against you, or imput to you, your sin..if you are born again.
NEVER AGAIN......= if you are born again.
Why does He not count your carnal behavior against you, that you perhaps just did, today, and tomorrow, and 4 days ago?
Its because God became Christ on The Cross and has died for ALL your sin, already, 2000 yrs ago.
See, God judged Himself as Jesus on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago, for all your sin.
God through CHRIST paid for them all with His blood and death on The Cross, so that you can be born again and never again have your sin held against you in Eternity.
See that ? That is "God's Grace". That is "The Gift of Salvation"" That is "The Gift of Righteous"".. "that is the Blood Atonement", that is the "new Covenant".

That is... "All things have become New"... tho ONLY = IF... you are BORN AGAIN.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

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Saint, when you were born again..= "all things have become new".

Let me show you an evidence.
Its this..
Remember what you use to do, before you were born again?
You loved sin, and didn't SEE IT as sin. You saw it as... "Life".
That's How you use to think about sin, and you always wanted things that were bad for you, wrong, sinful.
In those days, you felt that certain "worldly" things were so very important and really mattered, most of all.
They don't now.. and that is because after you are born again for a while, you find that a lot of that carnal mindset, is gone, and keeps fading.

That is : "all things have become new".

That is God giving you new desires of the heart.
That is "Christ in you, the hope of Glory", changing you "from glory to glory" from the inside out.

Also..
If you been born again 10-20-30 yrs.....and you look back..you'll see those places, those times in your past where God stepped into your problem and pain and fear, and helped you OUT of it or helped you through it.
Or, where God stepped into your life and stopped you from making a life error that would have destroyed your life, marriage, kids, ministry, family.
That is, "all things have become new".


Notice also...

When you became a child of God, Son of God/Daughter of Christ......God instantly had a different viewpoint and eternal perspective of you.
No longer does He see you as this..

John 3:36 : "" He/She he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on them"..

See that?
That was God's perspective of you before you trusted in Christ and God accepted your Faith and made you righteous and gave you eternal life, forgiving all your sin through the Blood of Jesus..
That is "all things have become new"

And one more....

And This is a beauty beyond measure..

1.) Romans 4:8... """"Blessed is the one whose SIN the Lord God will never count against them again.”""

2.) 2 Corinthians 5:19. "God was in Christ, reconciling the WORLD to Himself, not counting people's sins against them".

See, when you trusted in Christ you activated God's eternal forgiveness... "In Christ".

See that Amazing Grace ??
God does not hold against you, or count against you, or imput to you, your sin..if you are born again.
NEVER AGAIN......= if you are born again.
Why does He not count your carnal behavior against you, that you perhaps just did, today, and tomorrow, and 4 days ago?
Its because God became Christ on The Cross and has died for ALL your sin, already, 2000 yrs ago.
See, God judged Himself as Jesus on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago, for all your sin.
God through CHRIST paid for them all with His blood and death on The Cross, so that you can be born again and never again have your sin held against you in Eternity.
See that ? That is "God's Grace". That is "The Gift of Salvation"" That is "The Gift of Righteous"".. "that is the Blood Atonement", that is the "new Covenant".

That is... "All things have become New"... tho ONLY = IF... you are BORN AGAIN.

If only you meant that Christians do not commit sins because of the power of the Spirit within them, you might be able to rightly divide the Word. Romans has an 8 chapter teaching that you are taking verses out of context from the middle! Because the OT saints still had their sin natures in tact, God overlooked the sins they previously committed, because they were believing in the Messiah and had not forsaken God. Same with 2 Corinthians 5:19. When we come to Christ it is our past sins that are not held against us. They are forgiven, and the source of our sin is taken away, the old man - the sin nature. Without taking away the source, man could still be a slave to sin and be no different than the world. That is what you believe, except you believe their future sins are also not held against them. That is not what Romans 6 says.

 

[Behold]

If only you meant that Christians do not commit sins because of the power of the Spirit within them,

1.) Its the Law that defines "sin".
Where there is no "Law" there is no defining of sin
The born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace"

2.) There is no sin "in Christ"... and all the born again are "in Christ"

3) "Jesus is the one time ETERNAL sacrifice for sin"

4.) "God hath made Jesus to BE SIN for us".

5.), "The old man of sin is crucified with Christ"

6.) "being NOW made free from sin you have your fruit unto Holiness"....


#6.... "You have YOUR FRUIT"...... This means that because God has give the born again HIS "Gift of Righteousness", this is now become "YOUR FRUIT".... = Holiness" .

7.) "Christ is the end of the Law for Righteousness".

 

[Behold]

I understand what you are saying here,..we are under the New Covenant, we are children of God, maybe you can help me out here, with my understanding, even though we still sin after becoming born again,..as we have the Holy Spirit who indwells us and is working in us, to be more like Jesus,.....are we not to confess, when we know we have lost it again ,as in, reacted in the flesh instead of the Spirit.....do we say nothing to the Lord, or do we just wait on him to change us in that area?....I get so confused over this matter.

The Lord does say, that we can do NOTHING without him....

Arguing was my biggest downfall, I knew it was wrong, yet I still kept doing it, my Will was so strong, but, and a big but, the Holy Spirit has worked so much in me, that he has brought me to the point of not arguing, I can’t bear it now!.....does that make sense, Behold?

I understand.

and here is the issue with striving against the flesh.
The flesh will win.
So, what is the remedy?

Its not to try to be good. Its to realize, understand, that God has made you as righteous and as holy as He is, by giving to the born again "the gift of Righteousness".

So, when we understand who we are "in Christ" as "made righteous", then from that MIND, we then find deliverance from the "trying to be good", striving, that actually empowers the flesh.
See, Paul teaches us not to fight against the "old nature" but to understand that its "dead"...

Walking in the Spirit, is in the renewed spirit of your mind...... Its to exist in correct understanding of who we have become as "made righteous".

Its not a feeling. Its a fact.
Its a fact that the instant we are born again, we are being "ONE with God" ,and "in Christ"...... and sin is dealt with.
See, to try to deal with sin is to be sin minded, and that keeps you away from the knowledge of the Truth regarding who you have become as a "new creation in Christ".

God only sees His redeemed, as Redeemed. = "Made righteous".

So, we have to get that same KNOWLEDGE, as our "renewed mind".

 

[Behold]

I have waited years to hear this TRUTH!!.....makes perfect sense and understanding through the Holy Spirit.....Praise God!!

When we are able to see ourselves as God sees us....... "made righteous"... "the righteousness of God in Christ"., then everything changes because we are in the flow, in the Light.

The whole Key to living in the Power of God, is to simply see yourself as God sees you.... as that is to be 'in the LIGHT"

This is the "renewed mind".

Paul teaches this as "as many as be perfect".. and that is not about behavior...that is about Revelation Knowledge.....having it, as from there, the power of God becomes the Joy of the Lord.

It really is all about seeing yourself as God has birthed you to be...... = a NEW Creation.... in Christ...... "One with God".

 

[1stCenturyLady]

1.) Its the Law that defines "sin".
Where there is no "Law" there is no defining of sin
The born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace"

2.) There is no sin "in Christ"... and all the born again are "in Christ"

3) "Jesus is the one time ETERNAL sacrifice for sin"

4.) "God hath made Jesus to BE SIN for us".

5.), "The old man of sin is crucified with Christ"

6.) "being NOW made free from sin you have your fruit unto Holiness"....


#6.... "You have YOUR FRUIT"...... This means that because God has give the born again HIS "Gift of Righteousness", this is now become "YOUR FRUIT".... = Holiness" .

7.) "Christ is the end of the Law for Righteousness".

That is because the law written on stone is NOW written on our hearts. It didn't go anywhere, just how we keep it. Either by the letter in opposition to a sin nature, OR dead to sin because of a new nature that keeps the law naturally.

As I recall, you didn't have a bad definition of "grace" but I don't see it in what you write. Maybe its changed. How do you define grace when it comes to sin?

 

[Behold]

How do you define grace when it comes to sin?

"""""Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross"""

"the old man of sin is crucified with Christ"./

"where sin abounds, Grace more abounds".

"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life."""

"you are not under the law, but under Grace".

"made Righteous"

 

[Behold]

As I recall, you didn't have a bad definition of "grace"

Correct faith, is to believe as God believes. This is the "right MIND". This is God's mind.
This is the "mind of Christ', and you are supposed to exist in that spiritual place of correct faith. And When you do this, you are walking in the Spirit, and when you don't, you are going to exist in "that which i want to do i can't, and that which i hate, i do".

To possess correct faith , is how you "work out your salvation". Its how you "present your body a living sacrifice". Its how you learn to stop failing and sinning and confessing and repenting, and instead do what Paul told you to do.. = "if you walk in the Spirit, you will not commit works of the flesh".
All of this, is the outcome of having correct faith as the 'renewed mind".

Now to believe as God believes....>How do you do that?
Well, you learn to believe about yourself only as God SEES you. and Until you exit there in your faith, you will fail to live a Holy Life and you will only struggle.

How does God see you at all times?

1.) Sinless and Righteous
2.) Always kept so by the Blood of Jesus.
3.) Always kept at Peace with God by the blood of Jesus
4.) Always "Made Righteous"

 

[1stCenturyLady]

1.) Its the Law that defines "sin".
Where there is no "Law" there is no defining of sin
The born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace"

2.) There is no sin "in Christ"... and all the born again are "in Christ"

3) "Jesus is the one time ETERNAL sacrifice for sin"

4.) "God hath made Jesus to BE SIN for us".

5.), "The old man of sin is crucified with Christ"

6.) "being NOW made free from sin you have your fruit unto Holiness"....


#6.... "You have YOUR FRUIT"...... This means that because God has give the born again HIS "Gift of Righteousness", this is now become "YOUR FRUIT".... = Holiness" .

7.) "Christ is the end of the Law for Righteousness".

Did you know that being born again is not imputed, but a real experience? It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Behold]

Did you know that being born again is not imputed, but a real experience? It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Being born again is God birthing our spirit into His Spirit by the Holy Spirit.
This is a "new birth", which is to become a "new Creation" "In Christ"., "one with God".

What is "imputed" is "The gift of Righteousness", whereby the believer becomes "the righteousness OF GOD..IN Christ".

 

[Episkopos]

Being born again is God birthing our spirit into His Spirit by the Holy Spirit.
This is a "new birth", which is to become a "new Creation" "In Christ"., "one with God".

What is "imputed" is "The gift of Righteousness", whereby the believer becomes "the righteousness OF GOD..IN Christ".

This is error of great magnitude. You are mixing testaments here.

Imputing righteousness to someone....as per Abraham, or Phinehas...is God RECOGNIZING righteousness in a person. This is not a divine righteousness..but a human righteousness that happens to get God's attention. It is based on God's mercy and benevolence towards we who are weak and needy. The same goes for the Publican in the parable of the Publican and the Pharisee. The Publican was deemed (imputed) to be righteous by God...although a sinner.

When it comes to divine power and life...we see a very different level. This is about the New Covenant that SO FEW have experienced to any depth. Now, anyone here who has not been born again by the Spirit will deny that there is a higher level than we see in the OT.

No one is imputed God's righteousness...only God is as righteous as God. God can't notice that a human is just as righteous as He is. What He can do is see a person's righteousness as something praiseworthy on the human level.

But God's righteousness COVERS the one who enters INTO Christ. God's righteousness is a covering righteousness..an anointing. For those who can't understand this....do a study on anointings and on being hidden under the shadow of His wings.

When we put on Christ...the spiritual armour of light...we put on a "force-field" of God's righteousness that protects us from "the arrow that flies by day". In His care, and protection, we walk as Jesus walked in an elevated abiding place in Zion with Christ...where Jesus has prepared many abiding places. The keeping power of God makes us remain steadfast in the perfection of Christ so that our own life is "hid with God." How is it hidden? Under the shadow of His wings....His anointed covering...to walk as Jesus walked without any spot or wrinkle of sin.

The fact that so few know of this walk shows the extent to which the doctrine of Christ has been gutted by personal ministries that are really just deviations from the truth into unbelief.

 

[Behold]

But God's righteousness COVERS the one who enters INTO Christ. God's righteousness is a covering righteousness..an anointing.

"God's Righteousness" is Jesus on the Cross.
He's not an "anointing" ... He's a Blood Atonement. He's the "New Covenant". He is "eternal life" and "The Resurrection".
You have no idea what this means, but you can certainly write endlessly confused posts that try to fake it, Episkopos.

The Born again are given "The righteousness of God" which is Christ's literal righteousness.
This is why the Born again are "made righteous".... having become "the righteousness of God in Christ".
This means they have received "the GIFT of Righteousness".

The Born again are "ONE with God and "in Christ", and that is not an "anointing" as your heretic's commentaries teach..but rather that is a Eternal STATUS as a : "Son/Daughter" of God

 

[dev553344]

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Saint, when you were born again..= "all things have become new".

Let me show you an evidence.
Its this..
Remember what you use to do, before you were born again?
You loved sin, and didn't SEE IT as sin. You saw it as... "Life".
That's How you use to think about sin, and you always wanted things that were bad for you, wrong, sinful.
In those days, you felt that certain "worldly" things were so very important and really mattered, most of all.
They don't now.. and that is because after you are born again for a while, you find that a lot of that carnal mindset, is gone, and keeps fading.

That is : "all things have become new".

That is God giving you new desires of the heart.
That is "Christ in you, the hope of Glory", changing you "from glory to glory" from the inside out.

Also..
If you been born again 10-20-30 yrs.....and you look back..you'll see those places, those times in your past where God stepped into your problem and pain and fear, and helped you OUT of it or helped you through it.
Or, where God stepped into your life and stopped you from making a life error that would have destroyed your life, marriage, kids, ministry, family.
That is, "all things have become new".


Notice also...

When you became a child of God, Son of God/Daughter of Christ......God instantly had a different viewpoint and eternal perspective of you.
No longer does He see you as this..

John 3:36 : "" He/She he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on them"..

See that?
That was God's perspective of you before you trusted in Christ and God accepted your Faith and made you righteous and gave you eternal life, forgiving all your sin through the Blood of Jesus..
That is "all things have become new"

And one more....

And This is a beauty beyond measure..

1.) Romans 4:8... """"Blessed is the one whose SIN the Lord God will never count against them again.”""

2.) 2 Corinthians 5:19. "God was in Christ, reconciling the WORLD to Himself, not counting people's sins against them".

See, when you trusted in Christ you activated God's eternal forgiveness... "In Christ".

See that Amazing Grace ??
God does not hold against you, or count against you, or imput to you, your sin..if you are born again.
NEVER AGAIN......= if you are born again.
Why does He not count your carnal behavior against you, that you perhaps just did, today, and tomorrow, and 4 days ago?
Its because God became Christ on The Cross and has died for ALL your sin, already, 2000 yrs ago.
See, God judged Himself as Jesus on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago, for all your sin.
God through CHRIST paid for them all with His blood and death on The Cross, so that you can be born again and never again have your sin held against you in Eternity.
See that ? That is "God's Grace". That is "The Gift of Salvation"" That is "The Gift of Righteous"".. "that is the Blood Atonement", that is the "new Covenant".

That is... "All things have become New"... tho ONLY = IF... you are BORN AGAIN.

This is ridiculous everyone sins daily and is in need of repentance. Teaching anything else is heresy.

 

[Episkopos]

"God's Righteousness" is Jesus on the Cross.

No, that is God's sacrificial love at work.

He's not an "anointing" ... He's a Blood Atonement. He's the "New Covenant".

This is bad grammar. Jesus is an anointing...but He's not a blood atonement. And He's not the New Covenant. It's take 2 to be in a relationship. You would have Jesus being in relationship with Himself...so that you can just go about doing your own thing...sinning as you go...since you don't believe that your are accountable for your own actions.

He is "eternal life" and "The Resurrection".

Yes. In Him we experience His resurrection life, His perfection, His holiness. For that to become a reality we need first to enter INTO Him...in a work of fulness of grace AFTER we are born again. It requires a full sacrifice AFTER we have received the sample of a free gift of grace.

You have no idea what this means, but you can certainly write endlessly confused posts that try to fake it, Episkopos.

I see you doing that very thing. Looking for a way to justify your lack of holiness...casting that back on God and making Him responsible for your lack of power over sin.

The Born again are given "The righteousness of God" which is Christ's literal righteousness.

This is false. The born again are given a taste...a sample...an aravon..of the Spirit to make them experience the goodness of God. IF the person who has received the free gift wants the fulness of God in Christ, THEN that person surrenders to be crucified with Christ...which costs us ALL. Check out the parables of Jesus concerning the kingdom of God...and the cost of entering in.

This is why the Born again are "made righteous".... having become "the righteousness of God in Christ".
This means they have received "the GIFT of Righteousness".

That gift of righteousness is only given when we fully surrender to be crucified with Christ...made dead to sin. God does not anoint the Adamic nature. There is no "sinful holiness."

The Born again are "ONE with God and "in Christ", and that is not an "anointing" as your heretic's commentaries teach..but rather that is a Eternal STATUS as a : "Son/Daughter" of God

Again the opposite is true. Being against the an anointing of Christ is to be anti--Christ. Thereby you reveal your true motivation. (The word "Christ" means "anointed One".) In Christ we receive that same anointing...which gives us the real power of God over sin, the devil and the world.

The true heretic is the one who refuses to promote...but rather stands against...God's holy anointing one receives by "putting on" Christ.

 

[Episkopos]

This is ridiculous everyone sins daily and is in need of repentance. Teaching anything else is heresy.

@Behold hates repentance...and truth of any kind, really.

But repentance is useless unless there is something to repent both from and something to repent to. If we can never overcome sin...we can ask God for forgiveness, but should we then return to what we did previously and sin again? Do we have the innate power to choose to NOT sin? Ever? Repentance means we turn AWAY from something evil...back to God.

The New Covenant is about what we turn to God for. We turn to God for His grace which empowers us to overcome sin, the devil and the world.

 

[dev553344]

@Behold hates repentance...and truth of any kind, really.

But repentance is useless unless there is something to repent both from and something to repent to. If we can never overcome sin...we can ask God for forgiveness, but should we then return to what we did previously and sin again? Do we have the innate power to choose to NOT sin? Ever? Repentance means we turn AWAY from something evil...back to God.

The New Covenant is about what we turn to God for. We turn to God for His grace which empowers us to overcome sin, the devil and the world.

We are commanded in the sheep and goats to have perfect love to God and our neighbors. And without perfect love we sin. It's in our natures and you cannot escape it. But not acknowledging your sin is also wickedness that needs repentance.

 

[Behold]

This is bad grammar. Jesus is an anointing...but He's not a blood atonement. And He's not the New Covenant.

Jesus is THE Son of God, not an "anointing".

And Jesus IS The New Covenant.....It's His very Blood.

Let Jesus tell you, so that you can deny it again in Public, Episkopos, for the members to see....

Jesus said to you.....""This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.""""

 

[Behold]

Again the opposite is true. Being against the an anointing of Christ is to be anti--Christ.

You just wrote that the Blood of Jesus is not the new covenant., and that Jesus is just an "anointing"...

I'll quote you,...

: Episkopos said...

""""""Jesus is an anointing...but He's not a blood atonement."""""


Whereas Jesus said to you.....""This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.""""

So, Episkopos...... the "anti'Chirst" is in your Cross denying mouth, your posts, your theology, and your self invented religion.
Keep posting it, so that the members can see a live one.
This..

1 John 2:18 = as you keep self defining yourself, over and over in every post, video, and Thread....., Episkopos.

 

[Episkopos]

We are commanded in the sheep and goats to have perfect love to God and our neighbors. And without perfect love we sin. It's in our natures and you cannot escape it. But not acknowledging your sin is also wickedness that needs repentance.

Exactly. But to not believe in the grace of God to walk as Jesus walked is the sin of unbelief...so then you are adding a new sin of unbelief to your already heavy roster of sins.

Not many modern believers are taught about the saving grace that is found in Christ.

Grace is the power of God usward who believe.

Seek the Lord...surrender your body, your mind, and all you have....in order to win Christ.

 

[Behold]

Not many modern believers are taught about the saving grace that is found in Christ.

: Episkopos said...

""""""Jesus is an anointing...but He's not a blood atonement."""""


Jesus said...

King James Bible
For this is my blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

New King James Version
For this is My blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


So, reader, who is the Cross denying Liar?