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Yews you should take your own advice....

Amen but we know them by there fruit, any man who does not glorify God is not from God, is it not your church your religion you glorify and promote....??
And again - moronic statements like this are based in an abject ignorance of what Christ's Church is.
There is no such thing as following Jesus only and NOT His Church. Only a Scriptural illiterate would espouse this nonsense.

Time for a Bible lesson:

- Jesus established ONE Church (Matt. 16:16-19). He prayed fervently that this Church remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23). There is NO other.
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
- Jesus gave His Church Supreme Authority on earth and whatever it ordains on earth is also ordained in heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).

A little thing I wrote some time ago, be right up your alley BOL. And its not just about your false religion, but all of mens... So dont feel so lonely.

A difficult thing to write but needs to be said.

Religion is not Gods doing. God isn’t that foolish, though man tends to make Him seem that way.
Now, I wonder how many people from whatever denomination would be able to stand before God and say,

Our church murdered the prophets, killed the saints, but that’s ok God after all its your church.
We slaughtered the Jews, sold and are still selling salvation at a price, but that’s ok God after all it is your church.
We molest children, commit adultery, tell lies and preach to itchy ears, things that we want to hear, but that’s ok God after all it is your church.
We murdered and tortured those that would not join, if they questioned us we burnt them at the stake, but that’s ok God after all we are still your church.
We would not allow others to read the bible or any text lest they discovered us, and we killed anyone that tried, but again that is ok God after all it is your church.
We only taught in latin, oh it sounded so good, we seemed to be so holy but we didn’t want them to know, they had to come to us, we couldn’t afford that they discover you and seek you for themselves, but that is ok God after all we are your church.
And we became so rich and built these magnificent temples to heaven so all the world could see how Holy we are, are you not proud of what we have done, oh and we even help the poor with whats left over, see God we are your church are we not?.
And the clothes we ware, you should look God, we dress so grand so that the world can see who we are, purple, and scarlet, black and Gold no expense spared, for the people must know our “position”, musnt they, after all God we are your church and we must show them who we are.
And we have priests and apostles, bishops, and clergyman. Pastors and prophets, we send them to the best schools, no expense spared, we teach them the bible, and what we want them to know, we don’t need you God cause we have the best right here on earth, and since we are your Church it must be ok.
So God I guess we must be going to heaven since we belong to at least one of these denomination which although we all preach a different gospel, hold different beliefs and sometimes even use a different bible, it is all ok, God we are your church.

And Jesus said,

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

I hope for your sake you are not found in her when He comes.
In all His Love

This is to all the false churches, denominations.
2014
It doesn't surprise me at all that YOU wrote this drivel because it's filled with lies and deceitful half-truths.
That's how the Devil always works . . .
 

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Being born again, Its simple, and has nothing to do with mens religions no matter how teh pharisees and the lawyers and teh religious will try con you into joining them in there delusion, it also has nothing to do with that sinners prayer that so many keep posting, it has to do do with ones heart and what one believes. When you with your hear cry out to Jesus than He will hear, than teh Holy Spirit will come to you, the seed of God that is planted in you, which is when you become a new creation. It is between you and Jesus and no one else, not religion on teh face of this earth can save mankind no matter how much they try dupe you into thinking they can. The er is no religion on the face of this earth from God, it is all part of teh harlot church: all of it.

But they wont hear and they wont understand because they are not of God, teh lawyers, teh pharisees and teh religious.

1Co_6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co_6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

There is only one way to Heaven, Jesus.
And there's only ONE way to Jesus - through His Church, which is His very Body (1 Cor 12, Col 1:18).. and the FULLNESS of Him (Eph. 1:22-23).
 

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Wrong.

He was speaking to the crowds right after He taught them the Beatitudes. He told them that they were the Salt and Light of the world and that their light could NOT be hidden.

Read your Bible.
Who was Jesus "sent to?" (It is you who needs to read, not your bible, but the bible).
 

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Who was Jesus "sent to?" (It is you who needs to read, not your bible, but the bible).
So, by YOUR twisted logic - all of the teachings of Jesus are totally irrelevant for us.
This is an absolutely anti-Biblical position.

You see - this is the reason why the disjointed teachings of the tens of thousands of the perpetually-splintering sects of Protestantism are so toxic. Everybody's personal opinions become their doctrines . . .
 

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So, by YOUR twisted logic - all of the teachings of Jesus are totally irrelevant for us.
This is an absolutely anti-Biblical position.

You see - this is the reason why the disjointed teachings of the tens of thousands of the perpetually-splintering sects of Protestantism are so toxic. Everybody's personal opinions become their doctrines . . .
If you fully understood, you would rightly divide the word of truth. But because you have not received Him as He is, you apply what was not meant for these times to your life in vain. Therefore, He said, "For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together" and, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.” But you did not hear His voice.
 

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If you fully understood, you would rightly divide the word of truth. But because you have not received Him as He is, you apply what was not meant for these times to your life in vain. Therefore, He said, "For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together" and, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.” But you did not hear His voice.
No - I have faith in HIM and HIS word.
I just don't have any faith in YOU or YOUR opinions . . ..
 
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No - I have faith in HIM and HIS word.
I just don't have any faith in YOU or YOUR opinions . . ..

Amen, and that should be the place of solid ground that we all stand upon.
While on the other hand, we don't have faith IN a brother or a sister in God...but we are one body...and without my hand I cannot scratch an itch or slap away a fly. I don't believe that it is healthy to never listen to another brother who may just have the word or encouragement that we need. We for sure do not trust in them, but we can trust the Christ within another believer.
Lets face it...God spoke through an Ass! lol
Not that that happens too often on this Site :D
 

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Amen, and that should be the place of solid ground that we all stand upon.
While on the other hand, we don't have faith IN a brother or a sister in God...but we are one body...and without my hand I cannot scratch an itch or slap away a fly. I don't believe that it is healthy to never listen to another brother who may just have the word or encouragement that we need. We for sure do not trust in them, but we can trust the Christ within another believer.
Lets face it...God spoke through an Ass! lol
Not that that happens too often on this Site :D
I'm sorry but a person who rejects the Triune nature of God is not, by definition, a member of the Body so they aren't my brother in Christ. They are my neighbors - but to be a brother or sister in Christ, they must believe in the God of Scripture - not their own invention.

The Body of Christ does not consist of ALL people believing whatever they want.
 

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I'm sorry but a person who rejects the Triune nature of God is not, by definition, a member of the Body so they aren't my brother in Christ. They are my neighbors - but to be a brother or sister in Christ, they must believe in the God of Scripture - not their own invention.

The Body of Christ does not consist of ALL people believing whatever they want.

Well bless you...you may find out that God sees things very differently about that! You don't get to pick who 'you think' is a brother or a sister...the same blood washes them clean as washes you clean.
There is no way the our doctrinal beliefs changes that...lets face it, a mentally retarded brother is no less your brother just because he is 'strange and different' and doesn't act or talks like your other brothers and sisters.
 
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Well bless you...you may find out that God sees things very differently about that! You don't get to pick who 'you think' is a brother or a sister...the same blood washes them clean as washes you clean.
There is no way the our doctrinal beliefs changes that...lets face it, a mentally retarded brother is no less your brother just because he is 'strange and different' and doesn't act or talks like your other brothers and sisters.
Are the false prophets that Jesus warns about in Matt 7:15-20 your "Brothers in Christ"?
Are Mormons and Jehovah's Witness who profess a different Christ altogether - are they your "Brothers in Christ"?

We have neighbors (Luke 10:25-37) which deserve all of the dignity afforded to ALL people - then we have the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12, Col. 1:18). If you're not IN Christ - you can't be a part of the Body. That Christ cannot be an invention of your own - but the Christ of Scripture.

Anti-Trinitarians have invented their own Jesus - who is completely different that the Jesus of Christianity.
 

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Are the false prophets that Jesus warns about in Matt 7:15-20 your "Brothers in Christ"?
Are Mormons and Jehovah's Witness who profess a different Christ altogether - are they your "Brothers in Christ"?

We have neighbors (Luke 10:25-37) which deserve all of the dignity afforded to ALL people - then we have the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12, Col. 1:18). If you're not IN Christ - you can't be a part of the Body. That Christ cannot be an invention of your own - but the Christ of Scripture.

Anti-Trinitarians have invented their own Jesus - who is completely different that the Jesus of Christianity.
We are all going to be in for some surprises but I like what By Grace said "we don't get to pick who 'we think' is a brother or a sister" we are doing well if we know our own destiny. I would not dare to judge someone else-es, even if I were pretending it was scripture and not me.
 
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We are all going to be in for some surprises but I like what By Grace said "we don't get to pick who 'we think' is a brother or a sister" we are doing well if we know our own destiny. I would not dare to judge someone else-es, even if I were pretending it was scripture and not me.
I'm not judging anybody's destiny.

I'm saying that those who refuse to submit to the God-given Authority of Christ's Church are not part of it.
His Church is His Body - so, if you're not part of Christ's Church - then, you're not part of His Body.

Are the false prophets that Jesus warns about in Matt 7:15-20 your "Brothers in Christ"?
Are Mormons and Jehovah's Witness who profess a different Christ altogether - are they your "Brothers in Christ"?

I didn't make up the rules. It came from Scripture.
 

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I'm not judging anybody's destiny.

I'm saying that those who refuse to submit to the God-given Authority of Christ's Church are not part of it.
His Church is His Body - so, if you're not part of Christ's Church - then, you're not part of His Body.

Are the false prophets that Jesus warns about in Matt 7:15-20 your "Brothers in Christ"?
Are Mormons and Jehovah's Witness who profess a different Christ altogether - are they your "Brothers in Christ"?

I didn't make up the rules. It came from Scripture.


what has not been grasped or accepted is that they are not but maybe when they are born again - so both they and we should be careful who we behead etc - twinc
 
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what has not been grasped or accepted is that they are not but maybe when they are born again - so both they and we should be careful who we behead etc - twinc
And again - I'm not judging or "beheading" anybody.

The plain fact of the matter is that Protestant Christians, while being related to the Body, are self-separated from it.
Their "churches" are not Churches in the full sense of the word but "ecclesial communities" in need of return to the Church. This was all spelled out in the Encyclical, Dominus Iesus. They are our separated brethren.

Now - those who reject the nature of God and invent their own gods like Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, "Oneness" groups are not Christians by definition and therefore are completely outside of the Body.
 

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Do your homework before making these asinine claims.

I’ve never made any derogatory remarks on anyone in these forums, even to those who act like an unsaved person like you. What you are displaying is uncharacteristic of a child of God. So no matter what you say or do in these forums you have already been judged for your actions. Still, there is hope for you if you repent.

Secondly - neither I nor YOU can tell who is "saved" and who is not. That isn't your call - it's God's.
That is what I said in post #96 but you’re in such a hurry to prove your false prowess in knowledge of Scripture.

To God Be The Glory
 
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And again - moronic statements like this are based in an abject ignorance of what Christ's Church is.
There is no such thing as following Jesus only and NOT His Church. Only a Scriptural illiterate would espouse this nonsense.

Time for a Bible lesson:

- Jesus established ONE Church (Matt. 16:16-19). He prayed fervently that this Church remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23). There is NO other.
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
- Jesus gave His Church Supreme Authority on earth and whatever it ordains on earth is also ordained in heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).
Well since you are the one giving teh advice, reducing ones self to name calling usually means ones run out of lies. You vannot but deceive the people, it is all you can do, for catholsim is all you know. You are no different than the JWs just the same garbage you do, using Jesus too justify ones lies, how can the truth, Jesus Christ be a part of a lie, you whole religion is based on a lie and therefore is a lie, was it not you who spoke of spending too much time in lies, maybe its time you found Jesus , for He is teh tru7th and in him thee is no lie.

You stole His authority and gave it to your church, you deny His power to save men, and than worst of all you stole His glory and handed it to your church, That is all the antichrist, How long will you persecute Him and His children. We are born again in Christ not in you church or any of mens churches, all straight from teh pits of hell, denying Jesus in all things,
 

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It doesn't surprise me at all that YOU wrote this drivel because it's filled with lies and deceitful half-truths.
That's how the Devil always works . .
It is the truth but how can one who denies teh truth seek after it.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

which is all you have ever done

2Th_2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
 

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I'm not judging anybody's destiny.
Yes you are and do not even know it. You are making salvation about joining the right church, when it is actually about the individual relationship with the Lord. When a person is born again they are automatically added to the Lords church, which is neither Catholic nor Protestant and hey you may be born again, I don't know but when anyone says whole groups of people are not christian, that's mighty questionable judging to me.
PS: I see you are still imagining it is scripture and not you judging, good luck with that.
 
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Yes you are and do not even know it. You are making salvation about joining the right church, when it is actually about the individual relationship with the Lord. When a person is born again they are automatically added to the Lords church, which is neither Catholic nor Protestant and hey you may be born again, I don't know but when anyone says whole groups of people are not christian, that's mighty questionable judging to me.
PS: I see you are still imagining it is scripture and not you judging, good luck with that.


It seems to be right to say "whole groups of people are not christian" , such as Mormons etc., due to the groups' professed doctrines.
But, are there "born again" people within those groups? Probably.
 
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It seems to be right to say "whole groups of people are not christian" , such as Mormons etc., due to the groups' professed doctrines.
But, are there "born again" people within those groups? Probably.
And are there lost people in the other groups? Probably.