Breaking News: The Day of the Lord

[Truth7t7]

Very obvious from Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thess 4:17, that those faithful people alive then, will be gathered to where Jesus will be; to Jerusalem.

Beam Me Up Scotty, As You Teach All Believers Will Be Teleported Instantly To Jerusalem

Star Trek Episode 999

 

[Keraz]

Beam Me Up Scotty, As You Teach All Believers Will Be Teleported Instantly To Jerusalem

Your scathing and foolish comments just show your extreme bias and wrong beliefs.

When Jesus Returns, He will send His angels to gather those who are alive and remain, Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thess 4:16-17

 

[Truth7t7]

Your scathing and foolish comments just show your extreme bias and wrong beliefs.

When Jesus Returns, He will send His angels to gather those who are alive and remain, Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thess 4:16-17

Your scripture quoted above, states nothing about a teleport of believers to Jerusalem on this earth as you claim, more Keraz make believe

 

[Keraz]

Your scripture quoted above, states nothing about a teleport of believers to Jerusalem on this earth as you claim, more Keraz make believe

What Matthew 23:31 and 1 Thess 4:17, does NOT tell is; that people will be changed and go to heaven.
These fanciful notions are shockingly false and those who teach such unscriptural ideas will be more severely Judged.

 

[Naomi25]

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The “day of the Lord” usually identifies events that take place at the end of history. It is a reference to a period of judgment called the 7 year Tribulation. The midway point is called the Great Tribulation. Are we close to the start of that day now?

Breaking News: The Day of the Lord

7 year Tribulation? Nope. Paul defines what the Day of the Lord is for us:

2 Thessalonians 2:1–4
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Paul rather tidily wraps the Day of the Lord together with our being gathered together to him when he comes (Rapture), and tells us that it won't happen UNLESS (until) the rebellion comes, and man of lawlessness is revealed.

 

[Truth7t7]

What Matthew 23:31 and 1 Thess 4:17, does NOT tell is; that people will be changed and go to heaven.
These fanciful notions are shockingly false and those who teach such unscriptural ideas will be more severely Judged.

Your make believe notions are false, and found no place in scripture, all believers are going to be tele-transpirted to Jerusalem at the second coming, Big Smiles!

Beam Me Up Scotty, Star Trek Episode 999

 

[Keraz]

7 year Tribulation? Nope. Paul defines what the Day of the Lord is for us:

Very obviously, the Great Day of Almighty God; when Jesus Returns, Revelation 16:14b & 19:11, is not the same Day as described in Revelation 6:12-17.
As you say: the rebellion will come before Jesus Returns. Commenced by the world changing Sixth Seal Day of the Lords fiery wrath and then the establishment of a One World Govt. Then; all as Written must take place.

 

[Rapture and End Times]

The phrase “day of the Lord” usually identifies events that take place at the end of history (Isaiah 7:18-25) and is often closely associated with the phrase “that day.” One key to understanding these phrases is to note that they always identify a span of time during which God personally intervenes in history, directly or indirectly, to accomplish some specific aspect of His plan.

The Old Testament passages referring to the day of the Lord often speak of both a near and a far fulfillment, as does much of Old Testament prophecy. Some Old Testament passages that refer to the day of the Lord describe historical judgments that have already been fulfilled in some sense, while others refers to divine judgments that will take place toward the end of the age.

Blow the horn in Zion;
sound the alarm on My holy mountain!
Let all the residents of the land tremble,
for the Day of the Lord is coming;
in fact, it is near—
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and dense overcast,
like the dawn spreading over the mountains;
a great and strong people appears,
such as never existed in ages past
and never will again
in all the generations to come.

A fire destroys in front of them,
and behind them a flame devours.
The land in front of them
is like the Garden of Eden,
but behind them,
it is like a desert wasteland;
there is no escape from them.

Their appearance is like that of horses,
and they gallop like war horses.
They bound on the tops of the mountains.
Their sound is like the sound of chariots,
like the sound of fiery flames consuming stubble,
like a mighty army deployed for war.

Nations writhe in horror before them;
all faces turn pale.
They attack as warriors attack;
they scale walls as men of war do.
Each goes on his own path,
and they do not change their course.
They do not push each other;
each man proceeds on his own path.
They dodge the arrows, never stopping. (Joel 2:6-8)

The earth quakes before them;
the sky shakes.
The sun and moon grow dark,
and the stars cease their shining.

The Lord raises His voice
in the presence of His army.
His camp is very large;
Those who carry out His command are powerful.
Indeed, the Day of the Lord is terrible and dreadful—
who can endure it? (Joel 2:10-11)

 

[Davy]

The Old Testament passages referring to the day of the Lord often speak of both a near and a far fulfillment, as does much of Old Testament prophecy. Some Old Testament passages that refer to the day of the Lord describe historical judgments that have already been fulfilled in some sense, while others refers to divine judgments that will take place toward the end of the age.

NO, actually the Old Testament Scripture DOES NOT apply the "day of the Lord" idea to events of PAST HISTORY.

Instead, it is pointing to PAST HISTORICAL destructions AS ENSAMPLES FOR THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD.

Jer 46:9-10
9 Come up, ye horses; and rage, ye chariots; and let the mighty men come forth; the Ethiopians and the Libyans, that handle the shield; and the Lydians, that handle and bend the bow.

10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
KJV

Egypt at that time had mercenaries of the Libyans and Ethiopians. Per Ezekiel 38-39 for the last day of this world, Libya and Ethiopia are allied with Russia in an army to come up against Jerusalem for the end of this world.

The "day of vengeance" phrase is ANOTHER POINTER TO THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD...

Jesus quoted the following at the start of His Ministry, but He stopped just before the "and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;" phrase (see Luke 4)...

Isa 61:1-2
61 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
KJV

The reason why He did not quote that above phrase in red was because that event is still future about His future coming on the last day of this world.

In 1 Peter 3:10, Peter describes the last day of this present world about God's consuming fire burning mans works off this earth on the "day of the Lord". That is the REAL time of that "day of the Lord", for it is pointing to the day of God's Wrath and vengeance upon the wicked on earth, and all CHRISTIANS are supposed to KNOW that day doesn't come until JESUS CHRIST RETURNS TO THIS EARTH.

 

[quietthinker]

Jeremiah 2:13
'For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.'

 

[Trekson]

On that day of Christ's coming, the heavenly dimension is revealed right here on earth. I suggest you study the Zechariah 14 to understand just where Jesus is coming to, and bringing His saints with Him to, on earth. We will appear with Him in the heavenly dimension, that's true, but it will the heavenly dimension as revealed upon this earth. Many do not understand how God is going to join both dimensions in the same time and space on that day. That is what the change at the twinkling of an eye is going to do, and is about our suddenly being revealed in our "spiritual body" as Paul taught in 1 Cor.15.


Afraid not. I didn't know you believed man's false doctrine of a Pre-trib Rapture theory. That's what they believe, and no such idea is written.

Per Zechariah 14, once again, Jesus gathers His faithful elect and takes them with Him to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, on earth, where He ascended to Heaven from. And that begins His "thousand years" reign over all nations, WITH His elect Church, ruling from Jerusalem on earth.

Rev 5:10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
KJV

Rev 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
KJV

What's with this forum? Isn't there anyone here that actually follows the Scripture as written?

There is nothing in Zech. that presumes a second coming w/ an arrival at the Mt. of Olives. Let's start w/ the basics Zech. 14:

On that day of Christ's coming, the heavenly dimension is revealed right here on earth. I suggest you study the Zechariah 14 to understand just where Jesus is coming to, and bringing His saints with Him to, on earth. We will appear with Him in the heavenly dimension, that's true, but it will the heavenly dimension as revealed upon this earth. Many do not understand how God is going to join both dimensions in the same time and space on that day. That is what the change at the twinkling of an eye is going to do, and is about our suddenly being revealed in our "spiritual body" as Paul taught in 1 Cor.15.


Afraid not. I didn't know you believed man's false doctrine of a Pre-trib Rapture theory. That's what they believe, and no such idea is written.

Per Zechariah 14, once again, Jesus gathers His faithful elect and takes them with Him to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, on earth, where He ascended to Heaven from. And that begins His "thousand years" reign over all nations, WITH His elect Church, ruling from Jerusalem on earth.

Rev 5:10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
KJV

Rev 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
KJV

What's with this forum? Isn't there anyone here that actually follows the Scripture as written?

As I was getting ready to reply to this post a couple of days ago I realized it would be a longer one to explain so look for my thoughts on a new post called Zechariah 14.

 

[Benjamin731]

The phrase “day of the Lord” usually identifies events that take place at the end of history (Isaiah 7:18-25) and is often closely associated with the phrase “that day.” One key to understanding these phrases is to note that they always identify a span of time during which God personally intervenes in history, directly or indirectly, to accomplish some specific aspect of His plan.

The Old Testament passages referring to the day of the Lord often speak of both a near and a far fulfillment, as does much of Old Testament prophecy. Some Old Testament passages that refer to the day of the Lord describe historical judgments that have already been fulfilled in some sense, while others refers to divine judgments that will take place toward the end of the age.

Blow the horn in Zion;
sound the alarm on My holy mountain!
Let all the residents of the land tremble,
for the Day of the Lord is coming;
in fact, it is near—
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and dense overcast,
like the dawn spreading over the mountains;
a great and strong people appears,
such as never existed in ages past
and never will again
in all the generations to come.

A fire destroys in front of them,
and behind them a flame devours.
The land in front of them
is like the Garden of Eden,
but behind them,
it is like a desert wasteland;
there is no escape from them.

Their appearance is like that of horses,
and they gallop like war horses.
They bound on the tops of the mountains.
Their sound is like the sound of chariots,
like the sound of fiery flames consuming stubble,
like a mighty army deployed for war.

Nations writhe in horror before them;
all faces turn pale.
They attack as warriors attack;
they scale walls as men of war do.
Each goes on his own path,
and they do not change their course.
They do not push each other;
each man proceeds on his own path.
They dodge the arrows, never stopping. (Joel 2:6-8)

The earth quakes before them;
the sky shakes.
The sun and moon grow dark,
and the stars cease their shining.

The Lord raises His voice
in the presence of His army.
His camp is very large;
Those who carry out His command are powerful.
Indeed, the Day of the Lord is terrible and dreadful—
who can endure it? (Joel 2:10-11)

Excellent points, Rapture and End Times. A prophecy having a dual fulfillment helps to unify Scripture and emphasizes God’s masterful control of events. Simple minded "theologians" have a problem with anything that does not correspond to their pet theories, unfortunately. LOL.

 

[Davy]

There is nothing in Zech. that presumes a second coming w/ an arrival at the Mt. of Olives. Let's start w/ the basics Zech. 14:

Well, I'M DONE TALKING TO YOU... since you FLAT DENY the Zechariah 14 Scripture as written about Jesus' future coming with His saints to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem! How could you be so deceived?


Zech 14:1-9
14 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
KJV

LOOK... at all those EVENTS IN RED ABOUT CHRIST JESUS coming on that "day of the Lord"! And it shows that is when He will FIGHT those nations, pointing to the battle of Armageddon in Revelation 16 and in Ezekiel 38 & 39! (and many other Scriptures in the prophets).

And per that, Jesus' FEET TOUCH DOWN UPON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES EAST OF JERUSALEM! And He brings all His saints WITH HIM THERE!

And that will happen "one day which shall be known to the LORD"? That's what Jesus said in His Olivet discourse, that NO man knows the day or hour of His coming, not even Him, but The Father only!!!

And those "living waters shall go out from Jerusalem"?? YES! God's River of Genesis 2 is to RETURN back to this earth for Christ's coming "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20! The Ezekiel 47 chapter reveals this, WITH A MILENNIUM SANCTUARY, because it shows those WATERS flowing out from the SANCTUARY OF GOD'S HOUSE!


I mean really, like Jesus said to the Pharisee Nicodemus who was SUPPOSED TO KNOW these things, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness." (John 3:11)

 

[Trekson]

Well, I'M DONE TALKING TO YOU... since you FLAT DENY the Zechariah 14 Scripture as written about Jesus' future coming with His saints to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem! How could you be so deceived?


Zech 14:1-9
14 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
KJV

LOOK... at all those EVENTS IN RED ABOUT CHRIST JESUS coming on that "day of the Lord"! And it shows that is when He will FIGHT those nations, pointing to the battle of Armageddon in Revelation 16 and in Ezekiel 38 & 39! (and many other Scriptures in the prophets).

And per that, Jesus' FEET TOUCH DOWN UPON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES EAST OF JERUSALEM! And He brings all His saints WITH HIM THERE!

And that will happen "one day which shall be known to the LORD"? That's what Jesus said in His Olivet discourse, that NO man knows the day or hour of His coming, not even Him, but The Father only!!!

And those "living waters shall go out from Jerusalem"?? YES! God's River of Genesis 2 is to RETURN back to this earth for Christ's coming "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20! The Ezekiel 47 chapter reveals this, WITH A MILENNIUM SANCTUARY, because it shows those WATERS flowing out from the SANCTUARY OF GOD'S HOUSE!


I mean really, like Jesus said to the Pharisee Nicodemus who was SUPPOSED TO KNOW these things, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness." (John 3:11)

I don't deny it, the rest of prophecy doesn't gibe w/ it and that's a fact. One should never create eschatologies based upon things that are only mentioned once w/ no other "scripture" witness to back it up. Why is it so hard to believe that God could reveal things about a time after the millennium? There is no mention of Jesus "coming" with saints in Zech. 14. If you really believe that then you are reading into scripture things that aren't there and making presumptions and false scenarios, as most pre-tribs do, about things the bible doesn't mention and denies the things the bible actually does mention.

 

[Davy]

I don't deny it, the rest of prophecy doesn't gibe w/ it and that's a fact.

But you DO deny the Zech.14 prophecy as written.

One should never create eschatologies based upon things that are only mentioned once w/ no other "scripture" witness to back it up.

There is no 'created' eschatologies, only simple statements of Truth in Zech.14 about Jesus' future coming back to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1. And... the Acts 1 Scripture said He would RETURN IN LIKE MANNER. The two angels that said that in Acts 1 said it to Christ's Apostles that saw Jesus ascend from the Mount of Olives.

Why is it so hard to believe that God could reveal things about a time after the millennium?

Why is so hard for you to grasp that the doctrines of men that you're following IS CREATING ESCHATOLOGIES that do NOT ALIGN with God's written Word?

There is no mention of Jesus "coming" with saints in Zech. 14.

Your statement makes you a liar... for the very Zechariah 14:4-5 Scripture declares Jesus' coming to the Mount of Olives, bringing ALL His saints with Him there.

If you really believe that then you are reading into scripture things that aren't there and making presumptions and false scenarios, as most pre-tribs do, about things the bible doesn't mention and denies the things the bible actually does mention.

That is exactly what YOU... are doing, instead of reading the simplicity of that Zechariah 14 Scripture. And I am NOT on the false Pre-trib Rapture theory. I believe Jesus' coming is AFTER... the tribulation as written.

The Zechariah 14 coming by Jesus is to END the great tribulation and BEGIN His "thousand years" reign with His elect over all nations with the promised "rod of iron", as per the Psalms and the Book of Revelation.

 

[Adventageous]

Just to help, identify the many text which speak of the "day of the LORD", here are those references. Once we read them, in their context, then we can more easily identify the events and timing of the "day".

See Study 13 - 13 Bible Studies (PDF), Prophecy, History, Theology, Legacy by brother Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

QUESTION: WHERE DOES THE BIBLE SPEAK ABOUT THE MILLENNIUM OR THE 1000 YEARS? -

Revelation 20:1-7, "thousand years", "pit", 'prison", "judgment was given unto them"​

QUESTION: ARE THERE ANY OLD TESTAMENT PARALLEL TEXTS THAT REFER TO THE 1000 YEARS?

[A.] Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

[B.] Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

[C.] “the Day of the LORD”, which is the final eschatological (end times) climaxing ‘day’ (2 Pet. 3:8; Psa. 84:10, 90:4):

Psa 84:10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.​

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Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.​

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2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.​

"great day of God Almighty" Revelation 16:14	"Day of God" 2 Peter 3:12	"the day of the LORD's wrath" Zephaniah 1:18	"the day of vengeance" Isaiah 63:4; Pro. 6:34
"the day of vengeance of our God" Isaiah 61:2	"day of the LORD's vengeance" Isaiah 34:8	"the day of the LORD's anger" Lamentations 2:22	"the day of their calamity" Deuteronomy 32:35
Isaiah 2:12, 13:6,9, 34:8 – “the Day of the LORD”, the final eschatological climaxing day: Deut. 31:17-18, 1 Sam. 3:12, 8:18, 1 Ki. 22:25, 22:35, 2 Chr. 18:24, 18:34, Job 3:3-4, 21:30, Psa. 110:5, Isa. 2:11-12, 17, 20,3:7, 3:18, 4:1-2, 5:30, 7:18,21,23, 10:20,27,32, 11:10-11,16, 12:1,4, 13:6,9,13, 17:4,7,9, 19:18-19,21, 23-24, 20:6, 22:12,20,25, 23:15, 24:21, 25:9, 26:1, 27:1-2,12-13, 28:5,19, 29:18, 30:23,25, 31:7, 34:8, 52:6, 58:5, 61:2, 63:4, 66:8, Jer. 1:10, 4:9, 25:33, 30:8, 31:6, 39:17, 46:10, 49:22,26, Lam. 1:12, 2:1,21-22, Eze. 7:7,12,19, 13:5, 22:24, 24:27, 27:27, 29:21, 30:3,9,18, 38:14,19, 39:11,22, 48:35, Hos. 1:5,11, 2:16,18,21, 5:9, 9:5, Joel 1:15, 2:1-2,11, 2:31, 3:14,18, Amos 1:14, 2:16, 3:14, 5:18,20, 8:3,9-10,13, 9:11, Oba. 1:8,15, Mic. 2:4, 3:6, 4:6, 5:10, 7:11-12, Nah. 3:17, Hab. 3:16, Zeph. 1:7,8,9,10,14,15,16,18, 2:2-3, 3:8,11,16, Zech. 2:11, 3:9,10, 9:16, 11:11, 12:3,4,6,8,9,12, 13:1,2,4, 14:1,3, 14:4,6,7,8,9,13,20,21, Mal. 3:2,17, 4:1,3,5, Matt. 7:22, 10:15, 11:22,24, 12:36, 24:36,50, 25:13, Mark 6:11,13:32, Luke 6:23, 10:12, 17:24,30,31, 21:34, John 6:39,40,44,54, 8:56, 11:24, 14:20, 16:23,26, Rom. 2:5,16, 13:12, 1 Cor. 1:8, 3:13, 5:5, 2 Cor. 1:14, Php. 1:6,10, 2:16, 1 Thes. 5:2,4, 2 Thes. 1:10, 2:2,3, 2 Tim. 1:12,18, 4:8, Heb. 10:25, Jam. 5:5, 1 Pet. 2:12, 2 Pet. 2:9, 3:7,10,12, 1 John 4:17, Jude 1:6, and Rev. 6:17, 16:14, 18:8.

[D.] See overall time chart -

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Text Chapters​	Armageddon, gathering to war against Lamb (& body)​	The Day of the LORD, the final 1000 years, beginning, middle & ending​	Final Destruction of the Wicked​	Heavens & Earth Made New, saints reign there, forever​
Psalms 37​	Psalms 37:12,14,35​	Psalms 37:13​	Psa. 37:1,2,9a,10,20,22b,28b,34b,36,38​	Psa. 37:3,9b,11,18,22a,28b,29,34a,37​
Isaiah 2, 11, 24, 34, 65 & 66​	Isaiah 2:6-10, 24:21-22, 34:1-2​	Isaiah 2:10-12,17-22, 24:22, 34:3-8,11-15​	Isaiah 11:4, 24:18, 34:9-10​	Isaiah 11:6-10, 24:33, 34:16-17, 65:17-25, 66:22-23​
Jeremiah 4, 25, 28, 29, 50 & 51​	Jeremiah 25:15-38, 50:1-46, 51:1-64​	Jeremiah 4:23-28, 25:33-38, 50:40​	Jeremiah 28:16, 29:32 (type)​	Jeremiah 29:11-14​
Zephaniah 1 & 3​	Zephaniah 1:16-17​	Zephaniah 1:2-5,7-10,14-15,18​	Zephaniah 1:18​	Zephaniah 3:14-20​
Zechariah 14​	Zechariah 14:1-3​	Zechariah 14:1-3​	Zechariah 14:12-13​	Zechariah 14:4,9,21​
2 Peter 3​	2 Peter 3:3-6,9​	2 Peter 3:7-8,10a,11-12​	2 Peter 3:10b,11-12​	2 Peter 3:13​
Daniel 7​	Daniel 7:11a​	Daniel 7:12,22c, “season”, “judgment”​	Daniel 7:11b,26​	Daniel 7:22d,27, “possessed”​
Revelation 16-22​	Revelation 16:16​	Revelation 20:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8​	Revelation 20:10,11-15​	Revelation 21:1-4​

[E.] In Leviticus 16:10, the scapegoat was to be “alive” and let go “into the wilderness”, bearing the sins of all upon his head, which is symbolic of the devil (the leader of the rebellion against God), being led captive (Revelation 20:1-3; “fit man” (Leviticus 16:21; right on time), the “strong man”; Psalms 19:5; Proverbs 24:5; Luke 11:22), with the sins of all he has ever tempted to commit upon him (Genesis 3:15; Psalms 7:16; Romans 16:20), and held (by chains of circumstances, God’s divine providence; Psalms 73:6; Lamentations 3:7; Ezekiel 7:23; for devils easily break iron chains, Mark 5:3-4; Luke 8:29) upon the desolate earth, the “wilderness” a “land not inhabited”, “a dry land”, a “habitation of dragons” (Isaiah 34:14; Revelation 12:9, 20:2), “a parched ground”, and “thirsty land” (Isaiah 35:7; see also Psalms 68:6; Jeremiah 4:23-29, 25:33, where was once the "fruitful place”), for 1,000 years. While the saints of God are “caught up” “to meet the Lord (Jesus)” in “the air” (1 Thessalonians 4:17), satan (one time “prince of the power of the air”; Ephesians 2:2) and his angels, are “bought low” (Isaiah 2:2, 25:5). Compare Zechariah 14 ; Psalms 37 also with Jeremiah 4:23-28, 25:15-38; Zephaniah 1:2-3,14-18; Isaiah 2:6-22, 11:14, 24:1-6,17-22, 34:1-17; Ezekiel 38:8.

At the end of the antitypical day of Atonement, the sins must be cleansed from the Heavenly Sanctuary, and from the hearts of His people (already confessed and forsaken), and finally to be placed back upon the head (Leader and heart) of the instigator of all sin, Satan. Not to pay the penalty of the sins of the saints (Jesus already did that at Calvary, AD 31 Passover), but for his own sins, as Leviticus 16:10 says, ”to make an atonement with him (scapegoat)”.

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[Trekson]

But you DO deny the Zech.14 prophecy as written.


There is no 'created' eschatologies, only simple statements of Truth in Zech.14 about Jesus' future coming back to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1. And... the Acts 1 Scripture said He would RETURN IN LIKE MANNER. The two angels that said that in Acts 1 said it to Christ's Apostles that saw Jesus ascend from the Mount of Olives.


Why is so hard for you to grasp that the doctrines of men that you're following IS CREATING ESCHATOLOGIES that do NOT ALIGN with God's written Word?


Your statement makes you a liar... for the very Zechariah 14:4-5 Scripture declares Jesus' coming to the Mount of Olives, bringing ALL His saints with Him there.


That is exactly what YOU... are doing, instead of reading the simplicity of that Zechariah 14 Scripture. And I am NOT on the false Pre-trib Rapture theory. I believe Jesus' coming is AFTER... the tribulation as written.

The Zechariah 14 coming by Jesus is to END the great tribulation and BEGIN His "thousand years" reign with His elect over all nations with the promised "rod of iron", as per the Psalms and the Book of Revelation.

In like manner, means just that and does not infer at the same place. Picture Acts 1 and then Matt. 24:30, that is all it means. That's not how vs. 5 reads. There are three entities being spoken of here, the humanity of post mill Israel, Jesus, and his saints (the raptured/resurrected church, this, imo, will consist of the same army that came w/ Christ for Armageddon). So, Jesus knows God is about to destroy satan's army, he ushers in his people to the newly created valley then Jesus follows along w/ the saints, for their added protection. This may be what Is. 26:20 is loosely referring to. I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus closes the mountain back up. God sends his destruction upon satan's army and when it's over everyone comes back up from there hiding place. If this was about Armageddon, how could both, Rev. 19 and Jesus entering the valley w/ his people, for safety happen at the same time? It can't, so these are obviously different events at different times. There is no prophecy that calls the 70th week a time of tribulation or that equates the last half of the week w/ great tribulation. The GT is an event, not a period of time and it's on the church, not the unbelieving world, they get the wrath after and because of the GT.

 

[Davy]

In like manner, means just that and does not infer at the same place. Picture Acts 1 and then Matt. 24:30, that is all it means. That's not how vs. 5 reads. There are three entities being spoken of here, the humanity of post mill Israel, Jesus, and his saints (the raptured/resurrected church, this, imo, will consist of the same army that came w/ Christ for Armageddon). So, Jesus knows God is about to destroy satan's army, he ushers in his people to the newly created valley then Jesus follows along w/ the saints, for their added protection. This may be what Is. 26:20 is loosely referring to. I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus closes the mountain back up. God sends his destruction upon satan's army and when it's over everyone comes back up from there hiding place. If this was about Armageddon, how could both, Rev. 19 and Jesus entering the valley w/ his people, for safety happen at the same time? It can't, so these are obviously different events at different times. There is no prophecy that calls the 70th week a time of tribulation or that equates the last half of the week w/ great tribulation. The GT is an event, not a period of time and it's on the church, not the unbelieving world, they get the wrath after and because of the GT.

The Truth of the Zechariah 14 chapter about Jesus' future coming BACK to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from, and bringing ALL His saints with Him there, HAS ALREADY BEEN SHOWN TO YOU. So there's no need for you to keep rambling against that like an insane person.

 

[Timtofly]

Here is what happens per scripture order

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, and in the twinkling of an eye, the resurrection of all, catching up of believers, final judgment, as the earth is dissolved by fire, as the New Heavens And Earth for the righteous, and lake of fire for the wicked (The End) Eternity, in the "Blink Of An Eye"

Yep, over the course of 1,000 years. The catching up is in a twinkling of an eye. Then those caught up wait 1,000 years to return in the New Jerusalem. Where does Paul claim the New Jerusalem comes down at the same time we are caught up? How can you, standing on the earth, watch the New Jerusalem come down while fire is burning up everything around you at the same time? Since you have people caught up and watching the New Jerusalem pass them on the way down.

Your scenario is impossible. You have to wait 1,000 years before the NHNE with the New Jerusalem like every one else. I doubt it will take 7 years to remove all the living, but certainly no one is burned up at the Second Coming. After the Second Coming, the sheep and goats are removed secondly, after the church was removed first at the Second Coming.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yep, over the course of 1,000 years. The catching up is in a twinkling of an eye.

Big Smiles!