Breaking News: The Day of the Lord

[Trekson]

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

All those things are true, but they will end before the 70th week does and before Christ's physical coming at Armageddon so there is no conflict between the two parts of the same prophecy. The millennium doesn't start until "after" Armageddon but sorry, bro there are way too many scriptures that speak of the millennial era to deny it's existence.

 

[Wrangler]

Using common sense means knowing the tribulation cannot be going on if that "day of the Lord" event happens at ANY time other time than the 'last day' of this world.

You mean, like the common sense meaning of soon?

 

[Keraz]

WW3 or the Day of Wrath? A coronal mass ejection, a Killshot.

The State of Israel will not undertake a pre-emptive strike on Iran, because it is too late now – Iran has placed most of its nuclear facilities deep underground. Also, any military action will trigger a quick response from Iran and its proxies in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria, causing unacceptable damage and loss of life in Israel. America, too, would come under attack from sleeper agents and offshore missile ships, etc.

As Bible prophecy tells us, it will be Iran that makes the first move– Isaiah 21:2b... ‘Advance Elam, up Media to the siege! Do not hesitate! And - Isaiah 22:6 ‘Elam took up the quiver’... [Elam and Media = Persia/Iran.]

Who thinks that Lord will allow a nuclear explosion in the Holy Land? This cannot and will not happen, many prophecies say how all weapons and military powers will be destroyed on the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. Jeremiah 49:35, Jeremiah 50:25, Psalms 76:3, Psalms 46:9, Amos 5:9
Psalms 37:13 The Lord laughs at the wicked, He sees their Day of judgement coming.

Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35 Fire blazes by My anger, it burns to the depths of hell, it devours earth and its harvest, the flames reach the very depths of the mountains. I have in My storehouse, waiting for the Day of punishment and vengeance, when My enemies foot slips, for the Day of their downfall is near, their doom is at hand.

Isaiah 30:26...the sun will shine with 7 times its normal strength, like 7 days in one....
Note: that the microwave effect of this earth directed massive CME sun explosion will penetrate ‘to the depth of the mountains’. The ‘foot slip’- mistake, that the enemies make, is to ‘prepare their weapons, tipped with fire’, and that will be the moment of their destruction. Jeremiah 49:35-37

Psalms 7:12-16 The enemy prepares his weapons, but their deadly shafts tipped with fire will recoil against themselves. They have dug a deep pit, but they will fall into it and their violence rebounds upon their own heads. Habakkuk 3:14, Micah 5:15

Proverbs 16:4-5 The Lord has made everything for its own end, so He has made the wicked for a Day of calamity. One and all, the proud and arrogant are an abomination to Him. Depend upon it, an evildoer will not escape punishment.

Lamentations 3:61-66 Lord, You hear the bitter scorn and plotting of our enemies. Pay them as they deserve for their taunts and threats. Show them how little You regard them, pursue them in anger and wipe them out from beneath Your heavens.

Isaiah 34:1-8 Attend to this warning, all you peoples! For the Lord’s anger is against all the nations and His wrath upon all their military might. He has given them over to slaughter and destruction. All their dead will cover the ground, the corpses and blood will stink. On that Day, My sword will appear in heaven and the sky will roll up like a scroll. Rev. 6:14 My sword, covered in blood will descend on peoples doomed for destruction, upon Bozrah [the sheepfold] and Edom. [the ungodly nations] For the Lord has a Day of vengeance, a time of retribution to uphold Zion’s cause. 2 Peter 3:10, Isaiah 66:15-16, Habakkuk 3:12, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Nahum 1:2-8 The Lord is a jealous God, a God of vengeance against His adversaries. He will not let the guilty go unpunished. His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, the earth is in tumult before Him, the world and all who live on it. Who can stand before His wrath? His rage pours out like fire, He makes an end to all who oppose Him. But, the Lord is a sure protection for those who make Him their refuge.
Reference: REB. Some verses abridged.

 

[Truth7t7]

All those things are true, but they will end before the 70th week does and before Christ's physical coming at Armageddon so there is no conflict between the two parts of the same prophecy. The millennium doesn't start until "after" Armageddon but sorry, bro there are way too many scriptures that speak of the millennial era to deny it's existence.

By all means post all scripture that you believe shows a Millennuum on earth, take the challenge!

 

[Truth7t7]

WW3 or the Day of Wrath? A coronal mass ejection, a Killshot.

Jesus will return with good Ole fire and brimstone from heaven (The End) as scripture shows below, your claim of a Coronal Mass Ejection is "Laughable"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Davy]

The DOL is over a thousand yrs. long, it is "not" one day and ends "after" the millennium. Matt. 24:29-31 is the rapture/resurrection "not" the physical second coming, imo.

The "day of the Lord" starts... on the 1st Day of Christ's future reign over ALL nations, and that means what? At what point must the kings of the earth give up their reign to Christ? Ah... there's the rub. Thus your point is moot. The "day of the Lord" is when Christ comes to TAKE reign, as written. And there are certain other events that are to occur with that "day of the Lord" timing 'when' Jesus takes reign on that 1st day. And those events are not... to be spread out as if they take place sometime 'after' that day of His coming.

An example? The "sudden destruction" that Apostle Paul testified of in 1 Thessalonians 5. That is to happen on that 'day' of Christ's coming, which is the 1st Day of Christ's future reign, and is the day He 'takes'... reign.

Another example? The day of God's Wrath poured out upon the great army that comes out of the northern quarters against Jerusalem and Israel. God is going to rain hailstones upon that army weighing a talent (from 70 to 120 lbs.).

Another example -- that is the day of Paul's "last trump" when those still alive on earth are "changed", at the "twinkling of an eye" to their "spiritual body".

So let's not try to downplay those coming events upon the whole earth on that day of Christ's future coming to start... His "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

 

[Trekson]

By all means post all scripture that you believe shows a Millennuum on earth, take the challenge!

As I said there are far too many but to quote three, Isaiah 11:6-9 - "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea." Isaiah 35:8-10 - "And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein. 9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there: 10 And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away." Jer. 31:1. All the prophecies that mention "the day" or in that day" in the OT which are referencing the day (era) when Messiah shall rule upon the earth. The last verse of the NC suggests it, Heb. 8:11 - "And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest." Has there come a time when the whole earth honors and worships Christ, yet? Zech. 14:9-11 - "And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one. 10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. 11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited." Just about every book of prophecy in the OT has a section about the "restoration of Israel, the land or Jerusalem" and speaks about the future "kingdom of the Messiah. These verses are just a drop in the bucket of prophecy regarding the future millennial kingdom!

 

[Trekson]

The "day of the Lord" starts... on the 1st Day of Christ's future reign over ALL nations, and that means what? At what point must the kings of the earth give up their reign to Christ? Ah... there's the rub. Thus your point is moot. The "day of the Lord" is when Christ comes to TAKE reign, as written. And there are certain other events that are to occur with that "day of the Lord" timing 'when' Jesus takes reign on that 1st day. And those events are not... to be spread out as if they take place sometime 'after' that day of His coming.

An example? The "sudden destruction" that Apostle Paul testified of in 1 Thessalonians 5. That is to happen on that 'day' of Christ's coming, which is the 1st Day of Christ's future reign, and is the day He 'takes'... reign.

Another example? The day of God's Wrath poured out upon the great army that comes out of the northern quarters against Jerusalem and Israel. God is going to rain hailstones upon that army weighing a talent (from 70 to 120 lbs.).

Another example -- that is the day of Paul's "last trump" when those still alive on earth are "changed", at the "twinkling of an eye" to their "spiritual body".

So let's not try to downplay those coming events upon the whole earth on that day of Christ's future coming to start... His "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

Sorry Davy, but we are only told one thing about the first day of the DoL and they are found in Joel 2:30-31, Matt. 24:29 and Rev. 6:12-14 to name a few. The next event prophesied after that is the wrath of the Lamb, the trumpet judgements which stem from the opening of the 7th seal from Rev. 6:16-17 and Rev. 8:1-7. Don't confuse the first day of the millennial kingdom, with the 1st day of the DoL, they're not the same. God's wrath (Rev. 16) is separate from the wrath of the Lamb. Paul's verses are speaking of the rapture/resurrection which will happen before the DoL begins. The DoL starts w/ a time of judgement on earth before his physical second coming after Armageddon. Just throwing a bunch of truths out there does not an eschatology make. Rightly dividing those truths by letting scripture interpret scripture is the only way to get headed in the right direction of understanding.

 

[Davy]

Sorry Davy, but we are only told one thing about the first day of the DoL and they are found in Joel 2:30-31, Matt. 24:29 and Rev. 6:12-14 to name a few. The next event prophesied after that is the wrath of the Lamb, the trumpet judgements which stem from the opening of the 7th seal from Rev. 6:16-17 and Rev. 8:1-7. Don't confuse the first day of the millennial kingdom, with the 1st day of the DoL, they're not the same. God's wrath (Rev. 16) is separate from the wrath of the Lamb. Paul's verses are speaking of the rapture/resurrection which will happen before the DoL begins. The DoL starts w/ a time of judgement on earth before his physical second coming after Armageddon. Just throwing a bunch of truths out there does not an eschatology make. Rightly dividing those truths by letting scripture interpret scripture is the only way to get headed in the right direction of understanding.

Not sure what you are trying to say. The Joel 2:30-31 is pointing to a time just BEFORE the coming of the "day of the Lord". It's about the signs in the heavens that come immediately prior to Christ's coming. See Matthew 24:29-31.

Matt 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
KJV

Thus the Joel 2:30-31 Scripture is showing a time immediately BEFORE the "day of the Lord". The DOL only begins with Christ's coming.

NO, the time of God's Wrath is the 'same' as Christ's Wrath. It is the one and same event upon the wicked on the last day of this present world, and on that last day is when Christ's 1st day of His reign begins, the DOL. You are adding a time period in between that does not exist.

Likewise, some brethren that understand Jesus only gathers His Church after the tribulation, they will wrongly add a short period for the gathering, and then say right after that He pours out His cup of wrath. They ADD that short period that is NOT written, simply because they do not understand that those of His Church are not harmed by God's consuming fire upon the earth on that day when Jesus comes.

Here is what will happen per the Scripture order:
1. when Jesus is revealed coming in the clouds
2. God's consuming fire with His wrath happens upon the earth, and all are changed at an instant, with the Heavenly dimension revealed to all. The nations will mourn seeing Christ coming in the clouds. Those in Christ will not be harmed, the hot fiery furnace of Daniel 4 is our example.
3. Christ then sends His angels to gather His elect, and they with the asleep saints go with Him to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem to begin His thousand years reign on earth over all nations.
4. Certain manifestations from the first world earth age when Satan first rebelled return to earth: God's River of the Waters of Life, and the Tree of Life. (but the new heavens and a new earth time is still not yet.)

 

[Truth7t7]

As I said there are far too many but to quote three, Isaiah 11:6-9

Your Claim Isaiah Chapter 11 Is A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Is "False"

Isaiah Chapters 11 & 65 Is The Very Same Place, The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth, Don't Be Deceived By Claims This Represents A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth

Same Wolf & Lamb Together, And Lion Eating Straw Like The Bullock/Ox, In The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

Isaiah 65:17-18 & 25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 11:6-7KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

 

[Truth7t7]

As I said there are far too many but to quote three, Zech. 14:9-11

Your Claim Zechariah Chapter 14 Is A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Is "False"

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The (Eternal Kingdom)

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Truth7t7]

As I said there are far too many but to quote three, Jer. 31:1. All the prophecies that mention "the day" or in that day" in the OT which are referencing the day (era) when Messiah shall rule upon the earth.

Your Claim Jeremiah Chapter 31 Is A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Is "False"

Jeremiah Chapter 30 is the beginning of the prophecy, and it is nothing more than Israel returning from the "Babylonian Captivity" in 536BC when the 2nd Zerubabbel temple was built, your claim Jeremiah chaper 31 is a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth is 100% "False"

"I Will Bring Again The Captivity"

"I Will Cause Them To Return To The Land"

Jeremiah 30:1-4KJV
1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,
2 Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

 

[Truth7t7]

Here is what will happen per the Scripture order:
1. when Jesus is revealed coming in the clouds
2. God's consuming fire with His wrath happens upon the earth, and all are changed at an instant, with the Heavenly dimension revealed to all. The nations will mourn seeing Christ coming in the clouds. Those in Christ will not be harmed, the hot fiery furnace of Daniel 4 is our example.
3. Christ then sends His angels to gather His elect, and they with the asleep saints go with Him to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem to begin His thousand years reign on earth over all nations.
4. Certain manifestations from the first world earth age when Satan first rebelled return to earth: God's River of the Waters of Life, and the Tree of Life. (but the new heavens and a new earth time is still not yet.)

Here is what happens per scripture order

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, and in the twinkling of an eye, the resurrection of all, catching up of believers, final judgment, as the earth is dissolved by fire, as the New Heavens And Earth for the righteous, and lake of fire for the wicked (The End) Eternity, in the "Blink Of An Eye"

 

[Truth7t7]

The DoL starts w/ a time of judgement on earth before his physical second coming after Armageddon.

Please provide scripture to support your claim made, waiting?

 

[Trekson]

Not sure what you are trying to say. The Joel 2:30-31 is pointing to a time just BEFORE the coming of the "day of the Lord". It's about the signs in the heavens that come immediately prior to Christ's coming. See Matthew 24:29-31.

Matt 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
KJV

Thus the Joel 2:30-31 Scripture is showing a time immediately BEFORE the "day of the Lord". The DOL only begins with Christ's coming.

NO, the time of God's Wrath is the 'same' as Christ's Wrath. It is the one and same event upon the wicked on the last day of this present world, and on that last day is when Christ's 1st day of His reign begins, the DOL. You are adding a time period in between that does not exist.

Likewise, some brethren that understand Jesus only gathers His Church after the tribulation, they will wrongly add a short period for the gathering, and then say right after that He pours out His cup of wrath. They ADD that short period that is NOT written, simply because they do not understand that those of His Church are not harmed by God's consuming fire upon the earth on that day when Jesus comes.

Here is what will happen per the Scripture order:
1. when Jesus is revealed coming in the clouds
2. God's consuming fire with His wrath happens upon the earth, and all are changed at an instant, with the Heavenly dimension revealed to all. The nations will mourn seeing Christ coming in the clouds. Those in Christ will not be harmed, the hot fiery furnace of Daniel 4 is our example.
3. Christ then sends His angels to gather His elect, and they with the asleep saints go with Him to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem to begin His thousand years reign on earth over all nations.
4. Certain manifestations from the first world earth age when Satan first rebelled return to earth: God's River of the Waters of Life, and the Tree of Life. (but the new heavens and a new earth time is still not yet.)

I would say your take on the order of events isn't accurate, imo. I agree w #1 then 3 except we go to heaven. The millennium is mainly for living Israel, we have heaven. I believe #4 is part of the NHNE and number 2 happens after the millennium. It's scripture that divides the wrath into two groups, trumpets = wrath of the Lamb and vials = wrath of God. There is no way they are the same events. The events of those times prophesied in Rev. take 7 yrs., once they the finally fulfilled 70th week begins. But at what exact point in Rev, no one is sure.

 

[Trekson]

Your Claim Zechariah Chapter 14 Is A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Is "False"

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The (Eternal Kingdom)

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Sorry but your breakdown of Zech. 14 is quite wrong. Here's a clue, the "day of battle" of vs.3 "is" Armageddon. The rest of the chapter is speaking of events after that and they go back and forth speaking of millennial and post mill events, which isn't uncommon in OT prophecies.

 

[Trekson]

Your Claim Jeremiah Chapter 31 Is A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Is "False"

Jeremiah Chapter 30 is the beginning of the prophecy, and it is nothing more than Israel returning from the "Babylonian Captivity" in 536BC when the 2nd Zerubabbel temple was built, your claim Jeremiah chaper 31 is a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth is 100% "False"

"I Will Bring Again The Captivity"

"I Will Cause Them To Return To The Land"

Jeremiah 30:1-4KJV
1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,
2 Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

Sorry, you're wrong, you can go on and on denying the millennial reign all you want but it's going to happen whether you like it or not. I'll trust a hundred or more bible verses over your false claims every time!

 

[Davy]

I would say your take on the order of events isn't accurate, imo. I agree w #1 then 3 except we go to heaven.

On that day of Christ's coming, the heavenly dimension is revealed right here on earth. I suggest you study the Zechariah 14 to understand just where Jesus is coming to, and bringing His saints with Him to, on earth. We will appear with Him in the heavenly dimension, that's true, but it will the heavenly dimension as revealed upon this earth. Many do not understand how God is going to join both dimensions in the same time and space on that day. That is what the change at the twinkling of an eye is going to do, and is about our suddenly being revealed in our "spiritual body" as Paul taught in 1 Cor.15.

The millennium is mainly for living Israel, we have heaven.

Afraid not. I didn't know you believed man's false doctrine of a Pre-trib Rapture theory. That's what they believe, and no such idea is written.

Per Zechariah 14, once again, Jesus gathers His faithful elect and takes them with Him to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, on earth, where He ascended to Heaven from. And that begins His "thousand years" reign over all nations, WITH His elect Church, ruling from Jerusalem on earth.

Rev 5:10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
KJV

Rev 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
KJV

What's with this forum? Isn't there anyone here that actually follows the Scripture as written?

 

[Keraz]

What's with this forum? Isn't there anyone here that actually follows the Scripture as written?

It seems that you don't, with your idea of; 'the Christian people appearing with Jesus in the heavenly dimension'.
Very obvious from Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thess 4:17, that those faithful people alive then, will be gathered to where Jesus will be; to Jerusalem.

As for the forthcoming Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, people are clueless and totally unprepared for it. Thats how God wants it, so it will be our great test of faith.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry but your breakdown of Zech. 14 is quite wrong. Here's a clue, the "day of battle" of vs.3 "is" Armageddon. The rest of the chapter is speaking of events after that and they go back and forth speaking of millennial and post mill events, which isn't uncommon in OT prophecies.

Zechariah 14 explains the day of the Lord in fire Judgement, as Zechariah 14:12 shows men are consumed by fire as they stand on their feet, as 2 Peter 3:10 takes place (The End)

Zechariah 14:8 shows the river of life "Living Waters" flowing from Jerusalem, the eternal kingdom is seen, after the day of the Lord takes place

It's amazing how you conveniently forgot to mention these facts above, smiles