Calling all Law Keepers.

[bbyrd009]

Why did Jesus choose Judas? Did not God know what Judas was and what he would do? Yes, He most certainly did and what does that say to us? Let us pray that God has not chosen us because we are to be devils in the manner of Judas.

ha well amen to that lol. Pray that you have the strength to give Judas the purse, too, well knowing the outcome of that. This is a hard lesson to learn imo. See that if you wanna be a heroin addict, God does not prevent you; He supplies the heroin and even the needle, in a sense.

 

[amadeus]

yes

ya, great start to overcoming. Likely all other examples reduce to these, i guess.

of course "pride of life" is really tough, we instill pride in people, or at least that is called "pride" now, intrinsic to our model of "success" or "achievement," which definitions are of course manipulated for a believer

What I have heard about happening in others and I seen some similarity in myself, is the first two have been apparently almost [?] put down to nothing, and then because they or I have been elevated so high by God that they/I let their/my head swell up as if they/I had done it themselves/myself. Then in their/my pride the other two which I thought were gone suddenly come back into view to tempt once again.

It's like obeying the "law". If you miss in one point, you have effectively missed the boat. The difference really is or the similarity is... that God is always looking at our hearts. If our heart is pointed in the right direction at the time we draw our last breath of oxygen, would He not say that we are overcomers as Jesus was an overcomer? This is the key, the enduring to the end with Him. When we fail while on the highway of holiness if our heart has to that point been mostly directed rightly, God will not mercilessly take us without allowing us the opportunity for that last repentance, that last overcoming.

 

[ScottA]

No Scott,
My original question to you was why Jesus spoke in parables.
You have not given an answer and instead quoted the parable of the wheat and the tares. Which has NOTHING to do with why Jesus spoke in parables.

So now your point is that God does not want everyone to understand Him, OR that the tares can't understand him.

You've confused the issue because you never answered the original question.

Plus, you're obsessed with this idea of language being confounded by God. Is not language made so that we could understand each other?
Why would God NOT want us to understand each other?

You accept everything in the Old Testament so literally?
Everything in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
Or only what makes sense to you?

I have answered your question(s) and have also explained multiple times. But you do not hear, and now you reject what I have said, even lashing out, while still having questions. Obviously, you are not ready to listen.

 

[GodsGrace]

I have answered your question(s) and have also explained multiple times. But you do not hear, and now you reject what I have said, even lashing out, while still having questions. Obviously, you are not ready to listen.

I have no questions.
I don't like what I heard.
Telling you there was no reply is not lashing out.
You never did answer why Jesus spoke in parables.
I know why,,,just wondering if you knew to continue the conversation.
No problem.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You asked if I think it's necessary to follow the law.
If you read my posts, you'd know the answer.
We do get to know each other's beliefs.

So why doesn't it make sense to follow the law?
If I know Jesus , I follow it more, not less.

Right?

Is your emphasis is on following the Law, or is it on having a right relation with Jesus?
And no, they are not the same.

 

[GodsGrace]

Is your emphasis is on following the Law, or is it on having a right relation with Jesus?
And no, they are not the same.

Of course they're not the same.
I know the difference.
My emphasis is having a good relationship with Jesus.
But I still can't steal that ring that was left right in front of my at Notini the other day.

 

[GodsGrace]

Is your emphasis is on following the Law, or is it on having a right relation with Jesus?
And no, they are not the same.

You see, when you speak like this it sounds like if I just have a good relationship with our Lord, then I could not pay any attention to the law.

If you could explain that away, I'm willing to listen.
(not like I haven't heard it all)

 

[GodsGrace]

@Rollo Tamasi

When we talk about following the law, we SHOULD BE speaking about how persons are trying to achieve salvation.

We can't work our way to salvation, or follow the law to salvation.
We have to do that the way God planned...Jesus. From the beginning of time.

But we have here persons who know the Lord and are ALREADY saved..
so the question becomes:
Is it necessary to obey God?

Of course it is!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Of course they're not the same.
I know the difference.
My emphasis is having a good relationship with Jesus.
But I still can't steal that ring that was left right in front of my at Notini the other day.

Sure you can
All you have to do is feel remorse and bring a sin offering to the local Levite
You do know what a sin offering is, don't you?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You see, when you speak like this it sounds like if I just have a good relationship with our Lord, then I could not pay any attention to the law.

If you could explain that away, I'm willing to listen.
(not like I haven't heard it all)

If your relationship with Jesus is not lacking, then everything else falls into place
Have you heard that one before too?

 

[GodsGrace]

Sure you can
All you have to do is feel remorse and bring a sin offering to the local Levite
You do know what a sin offering is, don't you?

Be serious!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

@Rollo Tamasi

When we talk about following the law, we SHOULD BE speaking about how persons are trying to achieve salvation.

We can't work our way to salvation, or follow the law to salvation.
We have to do that the way God planned...Jesus. From the beginning of time.

But we have here persons who know the Lord and are ALREADY saved..
so the question becomes:
Is it necessary to obey God?

Of course it is!

Why would a true born again believer say otherwise?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Be serious!

I'm more serious than you are.

 

[GodsGrace]

If your relationship with Jesus is not lacking, then everything else falls into place
Have you heard that one before too?

What do you mean?
You never sin?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Maybe I just understand things better.
Maybe I need to teach you better.
Maybe you need to get some of that catholicism out of your blood.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What do you mean?
You never sin?

See?
You don't understand everything.
You may have heard everything but you sure don't understand everything.
And neither do I.
But you can't tell someone to follow some laws but not others.
There's a better way.

 

[GodsGrace]

Why would a true born again believer say otherwise?

LOL
On this very forum it was stated to me that it's not necessary to obey.
Because we're not under the law,,,I would guess.

This is nonsense.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

LOL
On this very forum it was stated to me that it's not necessary to obey.
Because we're not under the law,,,I would guess.

This is nonsense.

Yes, that is nonsense.
It also shows a lack of understanding of God's Word.

 

[GodsGrace]

Maybe I just understand things better.
Maybe I need to teach you better.
Maybe you need to get some of that catholicism out of your blood.

Baptists are more legalistic than Catholics.
Don't you think ?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Baptists are more legalistic than Catholics.
Don't you think ?

I think catholics have been at war with protestants since the Reformation.