Scripture is many-faceted revelation, for the understanding of which we need the Holy Spirit.
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Hebrews 11 has excellent examples of faith. 'By faith...' etc.
Not to me. But I have a feeling you will say I just didn't try hard enough.
My point was how can anyone be confident if so many Christians use the bible for truth but have so many different ideas about salvation.
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How do you determine which Scripture is for the unsaved and which is for the saved? Does not Scripture tell us God is no respecter of persons?
He did not. And thats what all the people did that led them to a different conclusion on salvation.
That simply means that God does not change Himself at the request of a human being.
Says you. Some believe works are required, some believe you need to be sinless, some believe in lordship salvation, some require baptism etc. and they are all reading the same book you are.
No true Christian believes that works are required for the "new birth". People have erroneous interpretation of Scripture all the time, but that doesn't mean that the Bible has errors.
You are not confronting the problem. My issue is not that the bible may contain errors or that Christians disagree on what scripture days. That will happen.
My issue is that there is no effective way to know what god is saying through scripture. You have your interpretation and you base that on your understanding of the bible, teachings you received, maybe direct revelation etc. You claim others are wrong but the other "false" doctrines are using the same method you use to determine how we are saved. Why are you right and they are wrong if you both use the same method to determine how we are saved.
Hebrews 11:6---> "And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." One of your problems may be that you have never been convinced by the Holy Spirit that you should fear God. The "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom". You are not alone. There are a great many on the "wide path" who have no fear of God.
Although Romans does indeed speak of 'the obedience of faith' and 'obedience to the faith' at the end and at the beginning of the Epistle, it is indeed true that salvation is 'not of works, lest any man should boast' (Ephesians 2.9).
One of the problems is that the Roman Catholics brought scholasticism into the study of Scripture because many in the hierarchy were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit--who "leads to all truth." Doesn't matter how many years you spend in school, if you don't have the Holy Spirit guiding your understanding, you will miss the truth.
I assume that this is anyone that disagrees with you on salvation even if they come to a different conclusion based on the same information you have.
So anyone that disagrees with you is not beiong guided by the holy spirit even though they claim to be?
Scholasticism tends to the reading into Scripture of man-approved ideas.
No--either that person is wrong, I am wrong or we both are wrong (or both right).
Even in the Bible, there were people who had not the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. There is no reason to believe that the merely religious in the Roman Catholic hierarchy were being guided by the Holy Spirit. Some of the Popes were horrible men doing horrible things. The Holy Spirit was given to the Bride as her "helper" in holiness.
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It seems that Pentecost was pivotal as regards the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
The need for the Holy Spirit to guide the Lord's people into all truth is a plain fact of Scripture (John 16.13).
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