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Calvinism is a Cult

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by CoreIssue, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. Jun2u

    Jun2u Well-Known Member

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    Your understanding of Ephesians 2:8 is very, very flawed. We are NEVER saved by our faith. We are saved by grace!!!

    Where did you get the notion that your faith is what saved you? Even if it was true (which it is not) therefore, you become the kingmaker in that you saved yourself, and NOT God. SEE HOW SILLY THIS CONCEPT IS?

    Then you said, “if faith is a work then it is not what saves me since I cannot be saved by works. RIGHT ON!!!

    To God Be The Glory
     
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    We are saved by the grace of God through the faith that He bestows on us, through the power of His Spirit. Our proper and humble response is to surrender to the overwhelming tide of love and grace. At that moment, we are justified. We then become "faithful" along with all the others of the "fruits of the Spirit" becoming "sanctified" as the "fruits" become more and more manifest in us. Both faith and grace are gifts "and not of ourselves". All that is required of us is that "sweet surrender" as a response. Who could ever boast about surrendering to God's love?
     
  3. justbyfaith

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    ...through faith!!!

    Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:1-2, and John 3:16 (which are some of the most basic verses for our understanding).

    For I consider that grace is unto salvation, in Romans 5:2; for that is what we are taught in Ephesians 2:8-9.

    And yet faith is what saves me according to the verses mentioned. How else can a man be born again (in your theology), if not through faith in Jesus Christ and what was done for us on the Cross? (You never answered this question for me).
     
  4. Vince

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    How does history say creation had a beginning? Science says there must have been a beginning to the universe we live in now. They are guessing at what happened before it was created.

    No, science just does not know how it began. Jumping to a god did it is a fallacy.

    How can you possibly know this? Do you know if the story happened the way the bible describes it or at all?

    Not true. Science says it was once lush and populated. Here is just one article.

    Sahara Desert Was Once Lush and Populated

    By who? Highly improbable things happen all the time.

    How can they know if we don't know the cause of how life formed?

    Scientists may not know exactly how metamorphosis evolved. But you seem to think that disproving evolution proves god somehow. It doesn't.



    I don't need evidence because I am not making a claim. I just don't think your evidence is sufficient.
     
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    I do not dispute the fact the any group of people will disagree on a subject. That is not my point. My point is that if salvation is so important to our eternal life then why did god make it so confusing for Christians to figure out. All sides of the debate just say that the other sides are not reading the bible correctly, or are cults, or are controlled by the devil etc. Why won't god clear this issue up? Whatever you say how people are saved I can go to another person on this site and they will claim a different way. If Christians don't know then how will non Christians know how to be saved? How do you know you are saved?
     
  6. justbyfaith

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    God is not easy for finite human brains to understand. It takes much theological discussion to be able to come to conclusions that are both acceptable and biblical.

    And even if the truth be known, there are simply those who will never receive it:

    1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    But please answer this question in this thread as a last thing before we switch over.

    cont'd from #1926.
     
  9. Vince

    Vince Active Member

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    So if I do good you will just call me prideful huh. Ok, but I will still help the homeless, pregnant teens etc. out of compassion and empathy not duty.


    No, This is a self deference mechanism for you. I must not have known anything about the faith that is why I no longer believe. If I truly believed like you I would have been a real christian right? Christians segregate themselves into doctrinal groups, race etc more than secular society does.

    I am not looking for proof only sufficient evidence. Stop lying about what I am looking for please.

    No, There is no other explanation that YOU can think of. This is a fallacy.

    Ok have fun doing your other tings., Nice talking wit you.

    I never said anything about a black moth etc.

    What evidence do they have for believing that.

    I don't care to debate evolution since it does not matter to the existence of a god. Evolution could be false an that would not indicate that a god exists.
     
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    You people here have admitted that you cannot agree on what faith is, how we are saved etc. and all claim the bible as your source. Why would any non believer know what the truth is?
     
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    Vince Active Member

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    But this has not happened in 2000 years.

    I agree, bit wouldn't it be better for them to at least to have confidence as to what the truth really is?
     
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    Only you have decided that what you do is good. God says, in His word that it is "worthless" (Gr. phaulon) to do works outside of faith. You may feed a beggar and save him from starvation, only to have him eventually die and be in hell for eternity. Christians have an obligation to 1) take care of other believers first and 2) preach the gospel to everyone that they help, including the starving beggar. You may not like it, but that is what Scripture teaches.


    Thank you, Dr. Freud. I'm sure I have forgotten much more about Freudianism than you ever knew.

    No, the Holy Spirit speaks through the word that He inspired, but we are also dependent on God opening our eyes, ears and heart to that word.
    There are many things on which Christians agree. Secular groups disagree on many things, even to the point of killing each other over their disagreements--the headlines are full of such.

    You are an insolent puppy to accuse me of "lying" about what is obvious--that you will NEVER get "sufficient evidence" to inspire your faith. The reasoning of humans will not do it--yours included.

    And you are here to play mind games. I do not believe that you are seriously pursuing faith.

    I don't think you think it was "nice talking" with me at all.


    I didn't say that you did--I just asked you to avoid bringing it up, as it is a stupid argument that evolutionists make.

    Why don't you ask them? The Discovery Institute has plenty of scientists who would be glad to answer your questions about their faith.

    Then why do you keep bringing it back into the conversation?
     
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    ALL true Christians believe that we are "saved by grace through faith". There are those who SAY they are Christians but who haven't a clue about the necessity of believing that the Bible is true. But that is only by the Holy Spirit that we are convinced of such things.
     
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    It's hard to conceive of born again believers arguing that somehow it's their own merits that achieved their salvation.
     
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    Then consider John 7:17, determine to obey the word of God, and be confident that the Lord will reveal Himself to you as the result. That is what I did; and the Lord was quick to make Himself known to me

    There are those who indeed do have this attitude. But I think that you might consider them to be arrogant and/or misled.
     
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    That's the easiest part--ask God for the truth and He will supply it. Ask Him to wipe away your doubts and He will.
     
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    "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." (James 1.5)
     
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    James 1:5 is a fundamental principle God has set up however, it must be read in light of Proverbs 25:2
     
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    There is no question that God conceals His affairs from the heathen. But, as His children, we can ask Him to reveal the answers to our questions.
     
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