CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

[Ritajanice]

The Nature of Spiritual Gifts​

In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul dealt with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. He opened the chapter with the statement, “Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware” (v. 1). Then, in verses seven through eleven, he listed nine distinct gifts:

The key word that explains the distinctive nature of these gifts is “manifestation” (v. 7). The Holy Spirit Himself, dwelling in a believer, is invisible. But by these gifts operating through a believer, the presence of the Holy Spirit is made manifest to human senses. In each case, the results produced are in the realm of the senses; they can be seen or heard or felt.

Since these gifts are manifestations, not of the believer’s own personality, but of the person of the Holy Spirit within the believer, all of them are supernatural in character. In every case, the results that they produce are on a higher level than the believer could ever achieve by his or her ability alone. Each result is possible only through a direct, supernatural operation of the Holy Spirit. By these gifts, and through the believer, the Holy Spirit comes forth out of the invisible spiritual realm and makes a direct impact upon the physical world of space and time.

Paul established two important practical points concerning these gifts. First, they are distributed solely at the discretion of the Holy Spirit, according to His sovereign purposes for each believer’s ministry. Human will or achievement are not the basis for receiving these spiritual gifts. Second, they are given “to each one…for the common good” (v. 7), for a useful, practical purpose. As Bob Mumford said, “The gifts of the Spirit are tools, not toys.”

It has often been pointed out that these nine gifts fall naturally into three groups of three:

1. Three gifts of utterance. These are gifts that operate through the believer’s vocal organs. They include prophecy, tongues, and the interpretation of tongues.
2. Three gifts of revelation. These are gifts that impart spiritual illumination. They include the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, and the distinguishing of spirits.
3. Three gifts of power. These are gifts that demonstrate God’s supernatural power in the physical realm. They include faith, the gifts of healing, and the working of miracles.

 

[Ritajanice]

Faith does come by hearing, but hearing ability comes by regeneration.

Yes, when God brings our spirit Alive in Christ...the rebirth/ regeneration/ our spirit must be Born Again and only the Holy Spirit can do that...man does not choose to have their spirit Born Again, imo/ belief.

◄ Romans 8:11 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you. New Living Translation The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you. English Standard Version If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. Berean Standard Bible And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you. Berean Literal Bible And if the Spirit of the One having raised up Jesus out from thedead dwells in you, the One having raised up Christ Jesus out from the dead also will give life to your mortal bodies, on account of His Spirit dwelling in you. King James Bible But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. New King James Version But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

 

[MatthewG]

Paul said more than that, he would have explained things. You cant do it i see

Going back and forth like this though is something I find quite stupid. Anyway, I’ll just rely on what Paul shared with the audience at Corinthians. There are people in this world who do accept his death, burial and resurrection and all one can go off of is someone is sharing the fruit of love which is of the spirit.

 

[Logikos]

@Logikos



So they never needed a Saviour ? They were never the objects of Christs seeking and Saving ? Im asking Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Christ is still their savior in the sense that Jesus' death undid the curse that was brought upon mankind by Adam's rebellion. Children, however, are not guilty of sin before God. They have no "knowledge of good and evil" as the bible puts it.

Deuteronomy 1:39 ‘Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

which is the same token by which Paul states clearly that....

Romans 7:9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

 

[Logikos]

Well this ends the conversation. If you do not even know that Calvinism and Armeniasm are radically opposed to each other then it is fruitless to try tootalk to you about the five points. Bye Bye.

What a buffoon you are!

The point I was making was perfectly clear to anyone who isn't looking for an escape hatch.

Christians, by and large, seem incapable of honest discussion.

Good riddance!

 

[brightfame52]

Christ is still their savior in the sense that Jesus' death undid the curse that was brought upon mankind by Adam's rebellion. Children, however, are not guilty of sin before God. They have no "knowledge of good and evil" as the bible puts it.

Deuteronomy 1:39 ‘Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

which is the same token by which Paul states clearly that....

Romans 7:9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

Exalting the flesh

 

[Behold]

Faith does come by hearing, but hearing ability comes by regeneration.

Regeneration comes because Jesus has paid for your sin.

See, Salvation is 2 parts., with one end result.

The End result is that you become ONE with God, who is "A Spirit'.

So, to end up there, which is to be BORN... again... The Blood of Jesus has to deal with what is preventing you from joining HOLY GOD, spiritually, to begin with.

And what is preventing you from becoming "ONE with God'.

A.) YOUR Sin.

So, God does not give the new birth before He deals with your sin, as God can't join Himself to sin... He can't join Himself to an unforgiven person.

So, the forgiveness has to come, that deals with the sin, FIRST..... and then God manifest the NEW BIRTH 2nd...... as the person being born again, as a new creation in Christ.

So, @brightfame52 , your theologically insane master, who is John Calvin, has you believing that you can be joined to God, before you are forgiven your sin.

As THAT is what you are teaching, when you teach that you are born again, before you can have FAITH to Believe that God has to accept before He can forgive your SIN.

Its a doctrine of devils, to teach that you are forgiven sin.... (born again) (regenerated).... before you have believed in Jesus.

 

[brightfame52]

@Behold

Regeneration comes because Jesus has paid for your sin.

Thats actually true, everyone whose sins are paid for by Christs Death in their behalf, shall be regenerated/born anew by His resurrection 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Once regenerated we have Faith, Hope fruits of the Spirit. All for whom He died will believe in Him,

Those who remain in unbelief, He never paid for their sins.

 

[Logikos]

Exalting the flesh

Saying it doesn't make it so.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Cant spiritually hear the Gospel and understand it spiritually unless born again.

So what are you saying in regard to Muslims seeing Jesus?

 

[brightfame52]

Saying it doesn't make it so.

But it is

 

[brightfame52]

So what are you saying in regard to Muslims seeing Jesus?

Im not saying nothing, you said it

 

[Behold]

@Behold



Once regenerated we have Faith,

'"regeneration" is to be birthed by the Spirit of God, into the Spirit of God.. as a "new Creation In Christ".

That is the END result of "faith is Counted by God as Righteousness".

And before God will give you the NEW BIRTH... you have to give God what He requires as His will.

"God's Will, is that you BELIEVE on Jesus".

Now, the Devil John Calvin, who is your master, told you that God causes you to believe, or you can't believe.
God forced you.

So, right there is the devil's doctrine., and that is what you are teaching.... @brightfame52

See, everyone has a measure of the ability to have faith. This is innate, in us all.
But not everyone will take that faith and BELIEVE in Jesus, once they are given the Gospel....., so that God can then give them the New Birth ...
= born... again.

God does not choose you to believe.
God accepts that you did, and you go to heaven, or God accepts that you didnt ... John 3:36, and you die and go to Hell.

This CHOICE to Believe, is on YOU., and that is "FAITH". and unbelief is to not give to God your faith in Christ, once you have HEARD the Gospel.

Now, as i was telling someone recently..
You can't KNOW about Jesus, until you have HEARD about Jesus.
So, noone just "somehow knows about Jesus".. like Magic.....having never heard about Him.

But once you HEAR about Jesus........from a book, from a movie, from a post card, from a person... then you have now HEARD.
And once you Hear.......then "faith comes by HEARING".. and then you decide what you do with this message.
God does not decide for you, before you are born, as the DEVIL John Calvin teaches as one of his many LIES.

 

[ChristisGod]

Do the Calvinist have their own Bible yet? The Mormons have their own Bible.

the ESV was written by reformers.

 

[brightfame52]

'"regeneration" is to be birthed by the Spirit of God, into the Spirit of God.. as a "new Creation In Christ".

That is the END result of "faith is Counted by God as Righteousness".

And before God will give you the NEW BIRTH... you have to give God what He requires as His will.

"God's Will, is that you BELIEVE on Jesus".

Now, the Devil John Calvin, who is your master, told you that God causes you to believe, or you can't believe.
God forced you.

So, right there is the devil's doctrine., and that is what you are teaching.... @brightfame52

See, everyone has a measure of the ability to have faith. This is innate, in us all.
But not everyone will take that faith and BELIEVE in Jesus, once they are given the Gospel....., so that God can then give them the New Birth ...
= born... again.

God does not choose you to believe.
God accepts that you did, and you go to heaven, or God accepts that you didnt ... John 3:36, and you die and go to Hell.

This CHOICE to Believe, is on YOU., and that is "FAITH". and unbelief is to not give to God your faith in Christ, once you have HEARD the Gospel.

Now, as i was telling someone recently..
You can't KNOW about Jesus, until you have HEARD about Jesus.
So, noone just "somehow knows about Jesus".. like Magic.....having never heard about Him.

But once you HEAR about Jesus........from a book, from a movie, from a post card, from a person... then you have now HEARD.
And once you Hear.......then "faith comes by HEARING".. and then you decide what you do with this message.
God does not decide for you, before you are born, as the DEVIL John Calvin teaches as one of his many LIES.

Once regenerated we have Faith, See Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22

 

[ChristisGod]

Regeneration comes because Jesus has paid for your sin.

See, Salvation is 2 parts., with one end result.

The End result is that you become ONE with God, who is "A Spirit'.

So, to end up there, which is to be BORN... again... The Blood of Jesus has to deal with what is preventing you from joining HOLY GOD, spiritually, to begin with.

And what is preventing you from becoming "ONE with God'.

A.) YOUR Sin.

So, God does not give the new birth before He deals with your sin, as God can't join Himself to sin... He can't join Himself to an unforgiven person.

So, the forgiveness has to come, that deals with the sin, FIRST..... and then God manifest the NEW BIRTH 2nd...... as the person being born again, as a new creation in Christ.

So, @brightfame52 , your theologically insane master, who is John Calvin, has you believing that you can be joined to God, before you are forgiven your sin.

As THAT is what you are teaching, when you teach that you are born again, before you can have FAITH to Believe that God has to accept before He can forgive your SIN.

Its a doctrine of devils, to teach that you are forgiven sin.... (born again) (regenerated).... before you have believed in Jesus.

can you imagine being saved and justified before you were created let alone before you heard and received the gospel. The gospel becomes meaningless and unnecessary in that systematic theology. I think of Pauls warning about a false christ and false gospel in Galatians 1:6-10.

 

[brightfame52]

'"regeneration" is to be birthed by the Spirit of God, into the Spirit of God.. as a "new Creation In Christ".

That is the END result of "faith is Counted by God as Righteousness".

And before God will give you the NEW BIRTH... you have to give God what He requires as His will.

"God's Will, is that you BELIEVE on Jesus".

Now, the Devil John Calvin, who is your master, told you that God causes you to believe, or you can't believe.
God forced you.

So, right there is the devil's doctrine., and that is what you are teaching.... @brightfame52

See, everyone has a measure of the ability to have faith. This is innate, in us all.
But not everyone will take that faith and BELIEVE in Jesus, once they are given the Gospel....., so that God can then give them the New Birth ...
= born... again.

God does not choose you to believe.
God accepts that you did, and you go to heaven, or God accepts that you didnt ... John 3:36, and you die and go to Hell.

This CHOICE to Believe, is on YOU., and that is "FAITH". and unbelief is to not give to God your faith in Christ, once you have HEARD the Gospel.

Now, as i was telling someone recently..
You can't KNOW about Jesus, until you have HEARD about Jesus.
So, noone just "somehow knows about Jesus".. like Magic.....having never heard about Him.

But once you HEAR about Jesus........from a book, from a movie, from a post card, from a person... then you have now HEARD.
And once you Hear.......then "faith comes by HEARING".. and then you decide what you do with this message.
God does not decide for you, before you are born, as the DEVIL John Calvin teaches as one of his many LIES.

Man cant believe on Jesus without first being regenerated by God Jn 6:44

 

[brightfame52]

can you imagine being saved and justified before you were created let alone before you heard and received the gospel. The gospel becomes meaningless and unnecessary in that systematic theology. I think of Pauls warning about a false christ and false gospel in Galatians 1:6-10.

Can you imagine Christ dying for a persons sins before they were ever born ?

 

[Behold]

Once regenerated we have Faith,

@brightfame52

The reason that you only go to "christian" forums to teach John Calvinism, is because you have no real Christianity to offer anyone.

You dont realize this, because Calvinism has you under its "spell"... or as Paul told you... "WHO has BEWITCHED YOU< so that you no longer obey the Truth". ?

See, you..... like all deceived Hyper-Calvinists, teach CALVINISM, and believe that you are teaching Christianity.

That is how demonic and powerful is this doctrine of devils, once it takes over a person's mind.

You can't help yourself.
You can't stop.
That's a fact.
Calvinism, this doctrine of devils, owns you, and that is why its all you want to RANT about and RAVE about and worry about..

You can't see it, but the members here can..
Believe it.

Now come again and again and post your John Calvinism obsession, so that we can see you clearly and the few others who are also mind trapped and mind blinded by this son of the DEVIL's work.... who is a literal cancer on the Body of Christ.

 

[ChristisGod]

Can you imagine Christ dying for a persons sins before they were ever born ?

and without faith there is no salvation.

is as simple as that- no faith no salvation.

one must be alive/ living and understand the gospel to be saved/ believe/ exercise faith and repentance.

hope this helps !!!