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I personally believe that Calvinism is a heresy, but it is becoming widely accepted by many Christians around the world. What do you think? Are you a Calvinist?
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Maybe you could start out with what you believe is heretical.Stephen100 said:I personally believe that Calvinism is a heresy, but it is becoming widely accepted by many Christians around the world. What do you think? Are you a Calvinist?
I think it is obvious. I think the most disgusting thing about Calvinism is the idea that God chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Calvinists will say that people send themselves to hell by rejecting Jesus Christ, yet they also say that God has predestined them not to believe. I find this to be a disgusting heresy.ChristRoseFromTheDead said:Maybe you could start out with what you believe is heretical.
Stephen100 said:I think it is obvious. I think the most disgusting thing about Calvinism is the idea that God chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Calvinists will say that people send themselves to hell by rejecting Jesus Christ, yet they also say that God has predestined them not to believe. I find this to be a disgusting heresy.
I would say it's both confusing and disgusting.JB_Reformed Baptist said:Maybe it's confusing, more than disgusting?
Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and the Punishment thereof
I. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtilty and temptations of Satan, sinned, in eating the forbidden fruit.[1]
This their sin, God was pleased, according to His wise and holy
counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.[2]
II. By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God,[3] and so became dead in sin,[4] and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.[5]
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed;[6] and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.[7]
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good,[8] and wholly inclined to all evil,[9] do proceed all actual transgressions.[10]
V. This corruption of nature, during this life, does remain in those that are regenerated;[11]
and although it be, through Christ, pardoned, and mortified; yet both
itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.[12]
VI. Every sin, both original and actual, being a transgression of the righteous law of God, and contrary thereunto,[13] does in its own nature, bring guilt upon the sinner,[14] whereby he is bound over to the wrath of God,[15] and curse of the law,[16] and so made subject to death,[17] with all miseries spiritual,[18] temporal,[19] and eternal.[20]
excellent insight.Justin Mangonel said:Dear S,
I think that confusion is the main facet of Calvinism as well as the
trinity. Both have logical fallacies inherent in their theology.
Historically, Calvinism worked out by Calvin himself was a rather strict and
dull affair. That should have been the end of it but like Marxism
people seem to keep making the mistake of thinking it has some merit even after
it has failed miserablely time after time. Legalism by any other name
still smells bad.
Personally, I think that those who believe in Calvinism simply demonstrate
that they have had limited direct contact with God. No one, in my
opinion, who has met God and gotten to know Him would ever be deceived into
believing such a doctrine. Our Father is simply not that way.
Calvinistic predestination obviates our free will. Free will is necessary
for choice. Without choice we cannot sin
for sin is a choice. Perhaps Pharaoh was
a vessel to dishonor but he had a choice…a profound choice…at least ten of
them.
It is like making a doctrine out of infinity. It cannot be done for
the concept cannot be fully understood because we, as finite beings, cannot understand it in the
first place. Predestination is like that
for we cannot understand how someone can both be predestined and have free will
at the same time.
Blessings,
Justin
John Calvin was vicious man. It is just flabbergasting that why so many trinity believers follow his teachings. Jesus says we know them by their fruit.Stephen100 said:I personally believe that Calvinism is a heresy, but it is becoming widely accepted by many Christians around the world. What do you think? Are you a Calvinist?
DrippingYellow. Educate yourself on John Calvin. Look up Michael Servetus. Read Scott's post #9.dripping yellow madness said:how was he viscous? by the reading here I cant tell the difference! haha!
Are you Calvinist?dripping yellow madness said:how was he viscous? by the reading here I cant tell the difference! haha!
Nope, he was faithful servant of Jesus. He did not follow man-made doctrine of trinity. That's why he got killed by RCC with cruel way. This is why I call trinity churches are militant churches.dripping yellow madness said:wasnt servitus a criminal in the eyes of rome and the protestent church anyway"? If he was a criminal alreadyu why do so many get their panties all in a knot about Calvin? didnt John calvin plead for servutus to change his mind since he did not want to burn him at the steak?