Can a tare become saved?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ok, then it must be wheat that the angels weed out of the kingdom. Is that your interpretation?

Not even close. Forget it, man. This is hopeless. Let's move on.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

“6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. ”
Exodus 34:6-7 KJV
Unfeigned Bible in.6

That's the first I've heard of the Unfeigned Bible. I'll have to look into it .

How do we reconcile that Exodus verse with this one?
Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

 

[Aunty Jane]

You, a leader in Israel and you don't know these things?

Me? A leader in Israel? What on earth are you talking about?

I know what I believe being “born again” means, but I’d like to hear from those who claim it, what it means to them…
What does it mean to Brakelite?

 

[Aunty Jane]

How do we reconcile that Exodus verse with this one?
Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

The poster didn’t really convey the true meaning of something God said earlier in giving the nation of Israel his law…..
Exodus 20:4-6….RSV…
“You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.”

Do you see something there in similar words, but with more detail? God will visit the iniquity of the fathers upon the children of those who hate him……those who would likely grow up reflecting their father’s personality, attitudes and actions…but only for four generations…..but he would show mercy to thousands who love him and keep his commandments.

He knows we are children of Adam, and prone to sin, but it’s our actions that speak to God rather than just our words. Parenting is a serious business and it’s their responsibility to raise their children with knowledge of God and an appreciation for his wonderful creation (Deut 6:4-7)….to see all good things as a gift from him. The truly important things don’t have a monetary value…they are free.

But parents who act selfishly or those who show hostility and bad manners, often these traits rub off on their children….and it’s not unusual to see generations of people whose activities end up in jail time….those who fail to respect the laws of the land, or other people’s property.

The scripture in Deut 24:16 is about capital crimes warranting the death penalty, rather than less serious offenses. God will not mete out the death penalty to anyone who does not deserve it….each will pay for their own crimes.

 

[PinSeeker]

First off Matthew 13:38 doesn’t specifically say the tares are not in His kingdom, it only says they are the people of the evil one.

The funny thing to me is, GB, that you and SI seem to be agreeing but are just totally missing each other, like two ships passing in the night...

So to what you say here about Matthew 13:38, which SI cited previously, you're right; the two key words there are 'in' and 'of.' So yes, the "tares" of those of the evil one, those whose father is the devil (John 8), but the Kingdom of God is indeed here (though not yet in its fullness).

To look at it in a little different way, we Christians talk about being in this world but not of it, and so we are.

So, yes... and I think this is what you are saying, and I think SI would actually agree... that these children of the evil one are in the kingdom but not of it. Right? As we all know, Jesus does tell Nicodemus in John 3 that one cannot see the kingdom of God unless he (or she) is born again, right? But it is here, as He said many times. And His Kingdom is not of this world, just as he told Pilate before His crucifixion (John 18:36), right?

So again, I think you fellers are really kind of arguing the same thing... Which is kind of funny in a way... <chuckles>

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God" (Jesus, Matthew 5:9) <smile>

Grace and peace to you both.

 

[grafted branch]

So, yes... and I think this is what you are saying, and I think SI would actually agree... that these children of the evil one are in the kingdom but not of it. Right?

I’m not so sure I would agree with that. A believer is in the world physically but not of it spiritually. A tare can’t really be in the kingdom spiritually but not of it.

Do you have any verses that might help explain how a tare can be in the kingdom of God?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's what the devils keep claiming as they cannot stand the Truth of Gold's Word.

Well if you can sho any verse that proves god takes tares and turns them to wheat- you have something to stand on.

Jesus never said to go out and find goats to make them sheep nor did He say go out and gather the tares and when they hit the barns He will turn them to wheat! If you know different I am all ears.