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The context is in relation to the disciples that were given to Jesus and He said none of them (the disciples given to Him) was lost except for one that he called the son of perdition.
Hmmm... "not possible to misunderstand The Cross of Christ and God's Grace and not be a Legalistic Heretic..." That's... quite a mouthful... <smile>. I disagree. All that's needed to be "actually a Christian" is faith as a mustard seed. No one in this life is perfect in knowledge; true knowledge is a gift of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:8), and, as in all gifts of the Spirit, some are gifted more than others in it... each gift is apportioned to individual Christians as He wills (1 Corinthians 12:11; to each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good (1 Corinthians 12:7, which means those more gifted than others in any one of the Spiritual gifts is to use his or her gift for the benefit of other Christians. And level of giftedness of any of the gifts of the Spirit does not make any Christian somehow "less Christian" than any other Christian.
LOL! Ah yes... <smile>
Yada, yada, yada... <smile> There are folks on here who have their soteriology quite wrong, but are still Christians.
Hmmm, well, maybe, but there are some who actually shoot themselves in the foot with their "bazooka of knowledge." <chuckles> You sound a bit puffed up, Behold. And condescending, maybe... And possibly lacking at least a bit in humility. But that doesn't disqualify you as a Christian, either, though... <smile>
In your own case, which was the real you? Being born with sin as our inheritance, we all have choices and reasons why we become “lost”. Remember that Jesus said he was sent only to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”? Who were those ”lost sheep”?
After Adam, who acquired that condition in the events of Genesis 3, all are born that way. As Paul says, "just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned..." (Romans 5:12). He's speaking of Adam, of course, who was the federal head of the human race. It's not his particular sin that we inherit, but the condition of his heart. This is the natural human condition, and even the condition of all of creation from that point. For a newborn child, it may take that sin a while ~ a short while ~ to manifest itself outwardly, but it is there.
That's exactly right.
no . JESUS did not lie when HE said all things are possible with GOD .
Always remember never heed the RCC , never heed the lips of calivin either .
There is no torture." There is torment, though, for all eternity, in this place of "outer darkness" (Matthew 8:12), "weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:50, so this torment is in and of themselves, a consuming, internal sadness and anguish that will not be relieved, so in that way "their worm that will not die." (Mark 9:48). They will be submersed in this "lake of fire," which is to say they will spend eternity under God's eternal judgment. <shudder>
Well, yes, all things will be reconciled... one way or the other. Regarding people, some will be resurrected to eternal life, but others to the resurrection of judgment (John 5:28-29).
This article is helpful in my studies. Though it also refers to the Bible passage where Judas is referred to as the son of perdition.
One last time. It says of those given to Jesus none were lost except one. Satan was not given to Jesus and Satan is not Judas. The disciple who was lost was Judas. Satan was not given to Jesus and then lost. It appears that your interpretation of the verse is being affected by doctrinal bias.This article is helpful in my studies. Though it also refers to the Bible passage where Judas is referred to as the son of perdition.
However, if we read the article and we learn the meaning of son and perdition, we learn the Son of Perdition is committed to the destruction of all things holy and of God.
If we accept that Jesus told Judas to go and betray him to the temple authorities,go and do what you must do, I think it incumbent upon us to remember Judas was given the first communion by Jesus before Jesus sent him off to the temple elders.
And I think also in translation of the verse regarding the Son of Perdition we need consider we are told Judas was possessed by Satan before he went to do the deed.
So,if the Son of Perdition,for what the words son and perdition translate as,per the link , The Son of Perdition – The Standard Bearer Magazine by Reformed Free Publishing Association | RFPA, it then becomes easier to relate the Son of Perdition following he name of Judas in the passage would identify that Satanic possession of Judas.
And as we know, Satan is irredeemably damned.
Also, I think we might ask ourselves if Jesus,who knew and later told Judas to go and betray him after Satan had entered Judas, would give communion to Satan?
When prior to Satan entering him Judas was given communion by Jesus.
“6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. ”
