Can a tare become saved?

[Scott Downey]

The problem is you are associating the tares with all the unsaved. All the unsaved include people who are Nazis, KKK, terrorist, serial killers, and so on. We are told to allow the tares to grow together <4885> to grow together, to increase together until the harvest.

I can understand if you have an issue with just standing by and watching these kinds of evil organizations grow but then that’s what it means when tares are interpreted as the unsaved in general. What we should be doing is not allowing evil to grow, we should resist the devil.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

2 Corinthians 10:4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.

Got a slight conundrum with that though.

We ae opposed to evil coming into the church, that is where the contending for the faith occurs, not out in the world. The world needs to be converted, are we called to rebuke the world like that?
John the Baptist did speak out against Herod a client king of Rome in reference to the law of God.
We condemn the world by our faith in Christ.

Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

We resist the devil is true, but read it in context, for what particular end.

James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Luke 6:29
To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.

v6, should we start a resistance group, take up guns, and shoot our way into a new government?

James 5
Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! 2 Your riches [a]are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. 4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of [b]Sabaoth. 5 You have lived on the earth in pleasure and [c]luxury; you have [d]fattened your hearts [e]as in a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.

Be Patient and Persevering​

7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. 8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord [f]is at hand.

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All the above is of our personal walk offing out of our faith.
I am no pacifist though; the military has its place in God's decrees.
And I would have no problem as a soldier shooting someone in a war. But I have a luxury of being a citizen in a country like the USA
Now If I were in Germany back then, knowing what I believe, I would never join the NAZI party. I would have wanted to flee away from Germany to the USA.

You know it all depends a lot on the surrounding circumstances and for the sake of your conscience what to do.

 

[grafted branch]

Got a slight conundrum with that though.

We ae opposed to evil coming into the church, that is where the contending for the faith occurs, not out in the world. The world needs to be converted, are we called to rebuke the world like that?
John the Baptist did speak out against Herod a client king of Rome in reference to the law of God.
We condemn the world by our faith in Christ.

Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

We resist the devil is true, but read it in context, for what particular end.

James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Luke 6:29
To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.

v6, should we start a resistance group, take up guns, and shoot our way into a new government?

James 5
Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! 2 Your riches [a]are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. 4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of [b]Sabaoth. 5 You have lived on the earth in pleasure and [c]luxury; you have [d]fattened your hearts [e]as in a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.

Be Patient and Persevering​

7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. 8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord [f]is at hand.

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All the above is of our personal walk offing out of our faith.
I am no pacifist though; the military has its place in God's decrees.
And I would have no problem as a soldier shooting someone in a war. But I have a luxury of being a citizen in a country like the USA
Now If I were in Germany back then, knowing what I believe, I would never join the NAZI party. I would have wanted to flee away from Germany to the USA.

You know it all depends a lot on the surrounding circumstances and for the sake of your conscience what to do.

Yes, the tares were sown in His field, and in the church is where contending for faith occurs. The field is said to be the world in Matthew 13:38. The field is<2076> the world. The word “is” is defined as is, it is, there is and has the meaning of are, belong, call, come, consist. To me it looks that phrase is conveying that the field is in the world versus the field is in heaven, it’s giving us the location because the parable is about the kingdom of heaven.
I don’t personally protest or join picket lines because our weapon is a sword (the Word). Some of the very people who are arguing that we should just let the tares (unsaved in general) grow with us are using their swords against any view they disagree with. On a forum such as this one, that’s what we do and I believe it is beneficial. However it seems hypocritical to use a sword to make the point we shouldn’t use a sword on tares.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes, the tares were sown in His field, and in the church is where contending for faith occurs. The field is said to be the world in Matthew 13:38. The field is<2076> the world. The word “is” is defined as is, it is, there is and has the meaning of are, belong, call, come, consist. To me it looks that phrase is conveying that the field is in the world versus the field is in heaven, it’s giving us the location because the parable is about the kingdom of heaven.
I don’t personally protest or join picket lines because our weapon is a sword (the Word). Some of the very people who are arguing that we should just let the tares (unsaved in general) grow with us are using their swords against any view they disagree with. On a forum such as this one, that’s what we do and I believe it is beneficial. However it seems hypocritical to use a sword to make the point we shouldn’t use a sword on tares.

Yes, the field is in the world, and the Son of Man sows the good seed, which turned out to be us. Well, we believed in Christ.

The good seed sprouts and grows in the field, the world.
We are both still in the world, but since we are the good seed, we actually are not of the world, we are of the Son of Man.

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John 8:22-24 New King James Version

22 So the Jews said, “Will He kill Himself, because He says, ‘Where I go you cannot come’?”

23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

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John 15:18-20 New King James Version

18 “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
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The believing, God chose us, even as just the good seeds, before we came to believe in Christ.
The unbelieving are of the world, of Satan
The believing are not of the world, they are of God, of the Son of Man.

All the good seed, being of the Son of Man, as in of God, will in this life grow in the knowledge of God and be with Christ.
All the bad seed, being of the devil, will in this life grow in the knowledge of the world and evil things, and not be with Christ

The parable is very much describing each one's own eternal destinies.
Everything very simply started, but people do like to make it complicated. Large, long books and publish extensive commentaries.