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OK, you are suggesting that we can even do that, right? Are you now sinless? or you lose your salvation?Phoneman777 said:
1 John 2:1-2Phoneman777 said:
Salvation is recognizing that we are sinners and that we need Jesus, who died for ALL sins. Confession means to agree with God that what we have done is sin, when the Holy Spirit points it out to us, because God already knows it is and has said so, but we need to agree with him that what we've done is sin. I'm not convinced that the law of sowing and reaping is ever suspended in our lives but we can always rely on God's mercy to give us the grace we need to make it through.skypair said:
The rest of the scripture:StanJ said:
Can a good tree bring forth bad fruit? This is what Jesus meant when he said that we shall know them by their fruits. Do you have an advocate for your sins? Sure, but that should follow up with something good. For example, if you still have bitterness in your heart towards someone, if you haven't forgiven them for whatever they may have done to you, then don't expect God to forgive you for your sins because the truth is not within you.
Separate thought, different issue.Dcopymope said:
Matthew 7:18 has two points to it, that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit, so if you see good fruit then it's not a bad tree. When Jesus used analogies he used them to point out specific issues and they do not have multiple applications.Dcopymope said:
I don't see it as a separate issue since both cases have to do with who gets saved and who doesn't when it comes down to it. If his call to repentance was genuine, he wouldn't still be a homosexual, child molesting sorcerer afterwards. We should see some results from the holy spirit, unless you want to make the holy spirit and the idea of it out to be a joke.StanJ said:
It comes down to.
Those in 1John 2:1-2 are saved, John differentiates between in v3-6 that are and are not believers. There is indeed a difference between believers and non-believers but you seem to only see the unbelievers in v4. John clearly teaches us here that occasional sin does not make us unbelievers, nor does it separate us from the love of God. Do you not believe that Simon was saved in Acts 8:13 as Luke describes?Dcopymope said:
I like your "Lifelong student…" blurb.StanJ said:
Of course he was saved, and its not that I only see unbelievers, you got it backwards actually. The subject is not as black and white as you describe it. I only see believers, and those who call themselves "believers" but are not because, as Jesus said, if their fruits don't show it, then the truth is in fact not within them. If they knew God, they would keep his commandments. Would you call a flaming homosexual a believer just because he claims to be and goes to a church? When I speak of homosexuals, I'm very specific because books like Revelation is in fact very specific about who will and who won't be in the new heaven and earth.StanJ said:
if you want to be specific then anyone who does evil will never be in the new heavens and new earth. for matt 7:20-23 says “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” if you are committing even one of these then you are in the same boat as the homosexual is. also the bible states that we should take the beam from our own eyes before we try to take the splinter from another's eye.Dcopymope said:
There is no doubt that a feeling of guilt and recognition of wrongdoing about anything we have done, indicates that our spirit is still alive and well in Christ. Remember what Paul states in Romans 14:23.skypair said:I like your "Lifelong student…" blurb.
Let me ask you this: When the Spirit is grieved, is your spirit grieved when you have committed a sin? Is your spirit quenched when God's Spirit in you is quenched (you've omitted a work God told you to do)? That is how your conscience in your soul should work now. You don't so much have guilt of sin but grief or sadness that you have not done as God, the Spirit, desires. You no longer do despite the law but despite the Spirit .. it's not the law hidden in your heart but the Holy Spirit, Stan. And really, that boils down to the "law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" (which is love, Ro 8:2) living in your heart and not the "law of sin which is in your members" that leads unto death — 7:23. Do you see it? Greiving or quenching the Spirit is unloving to God and to others.
skypair
Actually this subject is very black-and-white just as the Bible is but if you equivocate about what it says, then of course it won't be as black-and-white as it should be. John makes it very clear and those that continue in their sinful lifestyle are not in the light and are not believers, and those who don't continue in their sinful lifestyle but do occasionally sin are in the light and have an advocate with the father. Believers don't need to have an advocate if there's no reason for them to have one.Dcopymope said:
Yes I do, and I also believe we are only justified once and we only believe once. But not you.StanJ said:
I wasn't asking the question, it was Jesus that was asking the question. I'll give you two places where it shows that we can be justified more than once. Luke 18:14 and Romans 3:28. These verses clearly show that a man can be justified more than once.Heb 13:8 said:
