@robert derrick thank you for sharing but I did not reward your post. Could you shorten it up to me what you are saying or suggesting?
Christian Perfection
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I.e. your correct. We win the war over the body, by winning first in the mind to have the mind of Christ and a pure heart perfect toward God.
So, keep up the good fight to where you see the salvation of the Lord and the peace of Christ in your mind.
It has no understanding, because it is not found by searching or figuring it out, but rather is simply known by the absence of warfare that has been overcome.
Robert Gwin
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1. The teaching is true:
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
2. Adam was created perfect, even as Lucifer:
He was made a perfect sinless immortal body.
He was made a living soul without sin by the Spirit.
He was created with a pure heart and perfect toward God.
His mind was made sound and true.
He made himself imperfect the same way Lucifer did: he allowed sin of unbelief toward the commandment of God into his mind, to take root as lust in his heart to transgress it.
We know this, because he did so.
He became double minded to do both good and evil, and upon doing the evil of disobeying God, his soul died, his body was made mortal, and his blood became corrupted with sin.
And when he neither confessed nor repented, he was driven from the garden altogether, because he still did not believe the judgement of death by transgression.
He was made perfectly pure and uncorrupted, but did not go on to perfection and incorruptibility, as the saints are called to do by the second Adam, who remained uncorrupted by sin undo death.
The only reason His body died on the cross, was because He left it behind to enter into the heart of the earth to preach by the Spirit to the spirits in prison and to resurrect Himself by the same Spirit with new eternal body.
The Father commanded the Son to lay down His life and to take it up again, and the Son commanded the Spirit to enter the heart of the earth and be raised again.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
2. Adam was created perfect, even as Lucifer:
He was made a perfect sinless immortal body.
He was made a living soul without sin by the Spirit.
He was created with a pure heart and perfect toward God.
His mind was made sound and true.
He made himself imperfect the same way Lucifer did: he allowed sin of unbelief toward the commandment of God into his mind, to take root as lust in his heart to transgress it.
We know this, because he did so.
He became double minded to do both good and evil, and upon doing the evil of disobeying God, his soul died, his body was made mortal, and his blood became corrupted with sin.
And when he neither confessed nor repented, he was driven from the garden altogether, because he still did not believe the judgement of death by transgression.
He was made perfectly pure and uncorrupted, but did not go on to perfection and incorruptibility, as the saints are called to do by the second Adam, who remained uncorrupted by sin undo death.
The only reason His body died on the cross, was because He left it behind to enter into the heart of the earth to preach by the Spirit to the spirits in prison and to resurrect Himself by the same Spirit with new eternal body.
The Father commanded the Son to lay down His life and to take it up again, and the Son commanded the Spirit to enter the heart of the earth and be raised again.
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Saints are created new creatures in Christ Jesus: all things are become new, except the body.
Even as with the first Adam, the soul is made knew of the divine nature by the Spirit. The Spirit dwells in the heart by faith, and the law of Christ is put into and written upon the mind.
The new born Christian is then to circumcise their hearts by the Spirit, through cutting off the head of the old man of sin and put away the carnal mind, and be no more stiffnecked sinners and double minded toward God.
The saint is given power of God by the working of His Spirit through the faith of Jesus to purge their minds of all thoughts and vain imagination of sins, that their hearts will be purified of all lust, so that the body of sin will be subjected to the law of Christ and no longer live after the law of sin and death, and the soul will not die, as Adam's did by unrepented transgression.
The similitude of Adam's transgression is knowingly and willfully sinning with iniquity, and without any confession nor repentance following.
The similitude of Jesus' righteousness was to learn obedience without transgression, by abiding in the fear of the Lord with a pure heart and mind cleansed of all lust and thoughts for sin.
God does the work of salvation in the soul by grace, and through faith the saint does the working out of salvation in the heart and mind, that the body may behave holily, righteously, and unblameably in obedience to Christ.
Saints are created new creatures in Christ Jesus: all things are become new, except the body.
Even as with the first Adam, the soul is made knew of the divine nature by the Spirit. The Spirit dwells in the heart by faith, and the law of Christ is put into and written upon the mind.
The new born Christian is then to circumcise their hearts by the Spirit, through cutting off the head of the old man of sin and put away the carnal mind, and be no more stiffnecked sinners and double minded toward God.
The saint is given power of God by the working of His Spirit through the faith of Jesus to purge their minds of all thoughts and vain imagination of sins, that their hearts will be purified of all lust, so that the body of sin will be subjected to the law of Christ and no longer live after the law of sin and death, and the soul will not die, as Adam's did by unrepented transgression.
The similitude of Adam's transgression is knowingly and willfully sinning with iniquity, and without any confession nor repentance following.
The similitude of Jesus' righteousness was to learn obedience without transgression, by abiding in the fear of the Lord with a pure heart and mind cleansed of all lust and thoughts for sin.
God does the work of salvation in the soul by grace, and through faith the saint does the working out of salvation in the heart and mind, that the body may behave holily, righteously, and unblameably in obedience to Christ.
Ronald Nolette
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Welcome to the World of the precious Children of God who are heaven bound!
And no our minds we serve the law of god, but with our human nature we serve sin, and yes every single believer that has ever lived has not attained to what many call practical perfection, which is one who has ceased from commiting any sin from a specific point to teh end of their life (except for may be those who stopped sinning a day before their death LOl)
This is a journey where we as the children of God are learning and rgrowing and hopefully ever more becoming more like Jesus!
God forgave all our sins already, and as it says in Hebrews have alredy declared uys perfect forever, and now He is in theprocess of making us what He declared usa to be.
@Ronald Nolette John's First Epistle indeed speaks of the Lord's blood which 'cleanesth (present continuous) from all sin'...
Ronald Nolette
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Yep! and sometime the cleansing process takes longer than other times. And God also will leave many habits of sin alone while He is dealing with others. He is patient. He knows He has us, and He will perfect us according ot His schedule and plan, not some people who try to force God to perfect all at once.
I think the idea is that to those who are trusting in the work of Christ at the Cross and are clearly walking in the light as evidence of it, may indeed be attributed to them the cleansing of His precious blood.
Welcome to the World of the precious Children of God who are heaven bound!
That's pretty appropriate. Welcome to the World of...
Incredible.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Question: what is the difference between the world of sinners and the World of saved sinners?
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This really isn't a thread for sinners saved by grace, but nonetheless, it's always interesting to see how the carnal mind twists Scripture to their liking.
At least here, we can dispense with the side-show of 'losing' salvation. OSAS was never about that, but only about being 'saved sinners', who are saved by faith alone, which is dead. They will never be the dead in Christ, so long as they remain the dead in sins by faith alone.
They preach being saved in sin, not saved from sin. They preach being saved from judgment of sin, not from the sin that is judged with the world. They condemn righteous living in the flesh, not sin in the flesh.
Saved sinners in sin are the silly women of Christian religion.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
While they ever learn how to sin with grace, they never come to the knowledge of the truth, because they don't want to do the truth. The only truth they want to be made free by is the lie of being made free from judgment of their sins.
And God also will leave many habits of sin alone while He is dealing with others. He is in the process of making us what He declared us to be.
Habits of sin? Sin is just a bad habit? Truly childish stuff. Saved sinners in sin can't even talk like serious adults, much less ever live like Christ.
Sin left alone by God? Really? What, are they out of bounds? Are they in a safe space? Are there so many, that God can't handle them all?
Does Mother Grace smack His hand away, so He can't touch upon them??
So those habitual sins unrepented of and openly committed, that are 'left alone' by God, must be those sins that God can't see. Mother grace slaps Jesus' face to the side, so He can't see them, until She says the saved sinner is 'ready' for it.
So, how exactly do we know which sins God is helping us to repent of, and which sins He is 'leaving alone'.
How many sins does He leave alone and wink at and 'temporarily' excuse? Is there an excuse note written by Mother Grace to show us?
Saved sinners in sin are the kindergarten of Christian religion.
They're not saved from sin, but rather their sins are saved for later in a safe space from God.
Robert Gwin
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Yes Jesus was perfect, and remains so today. One does not think of a spirit being having a body Robert, although we picture them that way. Jesus did die completely and had to be resurrected, no part of him survived his death. What a wonderful thing that will be when hell releases all those captiive there in the resurrection Rev 20:13. Instead of going to funerals, we will be welcoming them back. Do you pray for that day as well sir?
I do have a question for you. Does the God have a soul?
Do you pray for that day as well sir?
I pray that I live for it.
Ronald Nolette
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1. The blood of Jesus has been applied to our sins.
2. We havwe been born again and given a brand new nature
3. God has begun a good work in us that He will perform to that day.
4. We are now capapble of responding to god.
Many more as well.
Ronald Nolette
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Your ad-hominems are really old and moldy.
So are you living 24/7 sinlessly in thought, word and deed, or are you just a judgmental silly Christian woman? If you think you are- you just blew it, for you lied.
re you actually old enough to be on this thread? Were you born immaculately or did you develop habits, patterns. "besetting sins". I am sure glad Jesus forgives 70X7 and not like how you seem not to based on your writing.
Well rather be in the kindergarten of heaven, than the universities of hell. I prefer a saint who struggles in sin, but has a penitent heart, than 1,000,000,000,000 saints who sound like you and ready to shoot your own brethren for being imperfect. Is your middle name Caiphas? For you sure sound like the pharisees of old.
So are you living 24/7 sinlessly in thought, word and deed, or are you just a judgmental silly Christian woman? If you think you are- you just blew it, for you lied.
You mean go and sin no more? Of course.
Why not you?
'Sinlessly' is a word made up by the double minded to accuse them that live blamelessly, as though they claim to live with perfect mind and body in this life:
Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:
As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children, That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
So, the proper question is to ask the elect saints in Christ Jesus, if they are living holily in heart, justly in mind, and blamelessly in body:
Yesterday, yes. Today, so far. Tomorrow is another day not to be taken thought of, because sufficient for the day is the evil thereof.
24/7? I can't speak for while I sleep.
The double minded cannot speak of holy, just, and blameless living at all, because they reject the commandment to go and sin no more.
That is heresy to the hypocrite who professes Christ Jesus, and yet obeys the law of the devil to go and sin some more, or rather the commandment of the flesh: Thou shalt not live 'sinlessly'.
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I prefer a saint who struggles in sin
More words condemning themselves. OSAS is all about believing in sins, believing and continuing in sins, believing in disobedience by grace.
The saint struggles with the temptation of sin and overcomes it, with joy unspeakable and full of glory.
The double minded struggles with living in sin, with wretchedness of condemnation.
OSAS ceases struggling in sin at all, and prefer to simply 'celebrate' filthy grace.
There is no saint struggling in sin, but only the wretched double minded without seared conscience, and the 'celebrating' OSAS that makes Jesus puke.
More words condemning themselves. OSAS is all about believing in sins, believing and continuing in sins, believing in disobedience by grace.
The saint struggles with the temptation of sin and overcomes it, with joy unspeakable and full of glory.
The double minded struggles with living in sin, with wretchedness of condemnation.
OSAS ceases struggling in sin at all, and prefer to simply 'celebrate' filthy grace.
There is no saint struggling in sin, but only the wretched double minded without seared conscience, and the 'celebrating' OSAS that makes Jesus puke.
Robert Gwin
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No sir, soul was a term given to physical beings. It was given to the entities whos life is sustained by the breath of life. This basically includes mammals Num 31:28
Ronald Nolette
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So I don't misunderstand you, you are telling all here that you longer sin in thought word or deed at all or any moment in time?
If that is what go and sin no more means, then of course.
Do you have a problem with that? Does Jesus? What? There's being too much like Jesus? Christians should be over doing the 'Jesus thing'?
Why do you go and sin more contrary to the commandment of Jesus and continue in sin contrary to the Scripture?
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Stop speaking up for Cain, and trying to talk Abel out of doing the righteousness the Lord.
Still waiting for a response: What is the difference between the world of sinners and the world of saved sinners?
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