Christians are not sinners

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I am now as the Scripture commands all God's people to become as sons of God: ceased from sin to live unto God, keeping my heart pure to do His righteousness at all times.

It's starts with being able to control your tongue.

Someone tells me they've reached the end of sinning in their life, and then speaks in certain ways, makes certain assumptions, gives their opinions of others as facts, and wrongly, lacks a certain credibility to me. How you portray me tells me you are not getting that from the Holy Spirit. So that leaves one other option.

And given how the Bible speaks of our lives here in Christ, well, that speaks for itself.

Maybe some think they've been "complete" as in the day of Christ Jesus, but I just am not seeing that.

Much love!

 

[robert derrick]

My post does Not say I'm saying we are sinless

You might need to read again b4 you start trying to discredit me. I know the word of God I know what I wrote and I know what God expects of me.
I am not a sinner,neither am I sinless but I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of Christ Jesus! I am a child of God.
Though my sins were as scarlet now are they washed white as wool bc the blood has been applied.

You may call yourself whatever you like I am NOT a sinner. I am saved by GRACE through FAITH!

Amen amen and again I say amen!

Welcome to the fray brother/sister.

Once any Christian saint declares doing God's righteousness, and not being sinners, they have just painted a HUGE bulls-eye upon their hearts, for the scoffers and naysayers to shoot at.

"You're saying your sinless! You're saying you have no sin! You're saying you're better than us!"

Blah, blah, blah.

To Christians sinners there is no room between being a sinner and being sinless. Saints are not allowed in their Christianity for sinners.

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Cain just wanted to talk and reason with Abel, in order to cure him of his notion of making a 'pure' sacrifice to God.

Abel needed to be 'enlightened' to his own sinfulness, just like Cain.

Afterall, just who did Abel and Joseph think they were? Better than others or something??

And Samuel said unto him, The LORD hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.

 

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I've done so several times.

What you've asked me is, "what are they". Think about it a moment to see the difference.

Much love!

 

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Because you declare yourself to be a sinner,

You put words into my mouth. Is that meaningful or helpful?

This isn't really a conversation. You have a great many ideas about me that don't really come from me, but you hold onto them, and act as though they were true. I'm seeing this a lot.

I'm starting to think you are confusing me with your stereotypes or something.

Much love!

 

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"You're saying your sinless! You're saying you have no sin!

The point is, I simple don't find these claims believable. Everyone, without exception, who has claimed that to me has demonstrated by their own words that it simply isn't true. I'm not trying to find fault, I believe we can in fact overcome every sin, every temptation, every twisting and turning of the flesh as we rest in our trust in Jesus.

No one can convince me that there is any sin we cannot resist committing. We are NOT sinners, we who are reborn. We are the spirit children of God created in His pattern, righteous and truly holy. And that's the clear teaching of the Bible.

We are in a process of being renewed, restored, and this process is described in numerous places, numerous ways, as that, a process, something that continues in our lives.

Sin comes when we allow ourselves to be deceived by our flesh, in some manner or another. Either that we cannot resist, or that we actually want this thing, or . . . that this attitude ISN'T sin, it's, it's, well, it's NOT sin!

Everyone who has said to me that they no longer commit sins has without exception gone on claim things of me that have no foundation and are not true. You can say what you want about me, for whatever reason you want, but I will know whether or not you are right, and when you are not, I know that's not from the Spirit.

Our words reveal our hearts, and the ways we speak of others shows what is in our hearts. Condescension, impatience, harshness, he who can control his tongue is able to control his entire body. But who is able to control their tongue?

Much love!

 

[robert derrick]

Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The reason Christian sinners continue committing sins, is because sin and the nature of sin is changed from being wicked and of the devil, once someone is 'saved'.

And committing a sin is not committing sins or being committed to sins, but is only a one-off: a one time commission of sin that is not a devilish commitment to sin.

Repenting of sin is not repenting of committing sin, but is only repenting of the idea of sin being good.

The wages of sin no longer apply to Christian sinners, not because they are cleansed from all unrighteousness and sin not, but because they are saved, and the nature and wages of sin no longer apply to their souls.

It's just that simple.

Christians sinners are not wicked and of the devil anymore, when they commit their sins, because they are Christian sinners and not sinners of the world.

The truth of Scripture is clear: If (not when), but if we do commit a sin, we are being wicked and of the devil, even as anyone committing all sins of transgression against God and His commandment of law:

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

And now with the law of Christ, where we are all commanded to repent of committing sin, it begins in the heart.

If we lust in our heart at all, we lust in our heart for all things of the devil and the world.

Christian sinners learn by false doctrine of Christian idealism to accept committing sins in life, even as is natural for all sinners of the world.

The commandment of God in Scripture to sin not, is philosophic ideal only. And to some, the very idea of obeying the commandment as written, is sophomoric at best, and proud self-righteousness at worst.

 

[robert derrick]

You put words into my mouth. Is that meaningful or helpful?

This isn't really a conversation. You have a great many ideas about me that don't really come from me, but you hold onto them, and act as though they were true. I'm seeing this a lot.

I'm starting to think you are confusing me with your stereotypes or something.

Much love!

You're not a sinner?? You don't commit sins at times???

What am I missing here?

No one can convince me that there is any sin we cannot resist committing. We are NOT sinners, we who are reborn. We are the spirit children of God created in His pattern, righteous and truly holy. And that's the clear teaching of the Bible.

Then why all the argument against the simple statement that Christians are not sinners??

Are you simply saying that some Christians remain sinners, while others do not?

Are the Christian sinners still saved and justified with God, as the saints who do not?

Everyone who has said to me that they no longer commit sins has without exception gone on claim things of me that have no foundation and are not true.

Explain this. Because you certainly appear to make claims that are not true: that all Christians will go on to commit sins 'at times', just like you, whether this day or the next.

 

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The reason Christian sinners continue committing sins, is because sin and the nature of sin is changed from being wicked and of the devil, once someone is 'saved'.

How is sin "changed"?

Much love!

 

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Repenting of sin is not repenting of committing sin, but is only repenting of the idea of sin being good.

I don't understand these things you are saying.

NT repentance is a total paradigm shift away from the works of flesh - sin - to the need for Christ's life. A repudiation of all sinfulness in one's self.

The word itself, metanoia, speaks of having changed the old mind for a new mind.

Much love!

 

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We can look at sins as a series of behaviors, but I think that sin begins in the mind, when we have thoughts that are not Godly, not spiritual, not accurate, not reflective of trust and grace and love, but we allow them anyway. That's where sin starts. Fleshy thoughts that we mistake for our own, because we are just so used to thinking that way.

We need to realize what a true abundant Christian life is like, and how radically different it is than the fleshy life, and how that starts in the mind. What we think, what we believe, what we choose, all these move on to produce how we feel, and how we act. And controlling the tongue, if we can learn to control what we say, and how we say it, according to the Bible, we will then be able to control our entire body.

But first we have to control the tongue, and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

What is in my heart? Is it truly love?

Much love!

 

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I am not a sinner,neither am I sinless but I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of Christ Jesus! I am a child of God.
Though my sins were as scarlet now are they washed white as wool bc the blood has been applied.

You may call yourself whatever you like I am NOT a sinner. I am saved by GRACE through FAITH!

Amen!

We are new in Christ, and if we don't believe that, how will we ever live it?

We are the spirit children of God, not the fleshy children of Adam.

Much love!

 

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Why do we have both righteous and Godly thoughts, and unrighteous and ungodly thoughts? Why does that happen?

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I certainly look forward to the day that I can say that I am no longer a sinner Robert, but unfortunately I cannot say that at present. Even the saints are sinners sir, but like all of us, we can be washed clean of those sins, but the blood of Christ. Rev 7:14. There have been 3 humans on this earth who at one time were sinless, but only one remained sinless until his death. We do our utmost to pattern our lives after him 1 Pet 2:21, but for now we have to recognize that is an impossibility.

21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:

22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;

I don't know if JWs teach what happens when we are "born again" as Christ said we must be, but when you are, you know the difference between your old nature that dies at that moment, and the new you that you become. You go from sinner to child of God. Ask Jesus for His Spirit to fill you. Romans 8:9 Because without Christ living inside of you, you do not belong to Him in this life.

 

[robert derrick]

It's starts with being able to control your tongue.

Someone tells me they've reached the end of sinning in their life, and then speaks in certain ways, makes certain assumptions, gives their opinions of others as facts, and wrongly, lacks a certain credibility to me. How you portray me tells me you are not getting that from the Holy Spirit. So that leaves one other option.

And given how the Bible speaks of our lives here in Christ, well, that speaks for itself.

Maybe some think they've been "complete" as in the day of Christ Jesus, but I just am not seeing that.

Much love!

And controlling the tongue begins with purifying the heart.

How you portray me tells me you are not getting that from the Holy Spirit.

I quote you. I get it from you. I dispute what you say as true or not. You do the same with me.

Maybe some think they've been "complete" as in the day of Christ Jesus, but I just am not seeing that.

Speaking for yourself? Because you are certainly not speaking for Scripture.

So, you can correct me now:

Are we commanded and by God to live righteously, holily, blamelessly in this life. To cease from sin and be as He is in this life.

Is it possible to do so today. Can any Christian be doing that today.

 

[robert derrick]

Bolds mine.

Well, I think that says that we still sin, but now we have an advocate. Does not mean that we are sinless.

It makes no sense to me that someone can say "I am sinless" and then say they repent for sins.

We are all sinful. But we can ask for forgiveness. And if we fall we can ask again. But one has to ask. What is he asking for? Forgiveness. For what? Committing sin.

Jesus asks us to pray for forgiveness for our trespasses, because He knew we'd still be trespassing.

The only ones ever talking about being 'sinless' are the CHristians sinners seeking to justify their sinfulness.

We are all sinful.

So you people are. I don't doubt it at all. I completely believe all of you.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Christian sinners leave no room for saints in Christ Jesus. They only allow for sinners of the world and Christian sinners of like themselves.

Jesus asks us to pray for forgiveness for our trespasses, because He knew we'd still be trespassing.

And so you are, just as He knew there would be them going on still in their sins and trespasses and refusing to cease from their sins.

But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls.

Boasting of being sinful and going on still in trespasses, is not humility with God.

It's the mark of strong delusion.

 

[robert derrick]

May I ask point blank, what is your point Rob? Are you saying you are sinless? Or that anyone is sinless?

I want one of you people that keeping talking about being 'sinless', to define it for me. Because I do not even read the word in Scripture, to know what God says it means.

I believe you will. And then I can answer you truthfully.

Thanks.

 

[robert derrick]

Sometimes I cannot see who @robert derrick
Is addressing....lol

I do however agree with the OP
I am forgiven of my sins as in Romans,I have been convicted of my sins by the HS,I have repented by changing my mind and heart towards God.
I have confessed with my mouth this repentance and forgiveness in Jesus
I AM NOW A BORN AGAIN CHILD OF GOD.
ADOPTED AND MADE JOINT- HEIRS WITH JESUS.

There is forever the battle of the flesh at war with the Spirit. We do commit sin after salvation but we DO NOT continue in them for we have an ADVOCATE with the father,Jesus. He makes intercession and forgiveness for us to the father after we confess and repent to him.

If you prosfess to be a sinner,you let sin rule in your mortal bodies.

Being born again frees from the death of sin!

There is forever the battle of the flesh at war with the Spirit.

Until the resurrection.

And only the ones winning that war over the flesh with a pure heart and clean hands, will have part in that resurrection of the blessed.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Who shall ascend unto the hill of the Lord? Them with pure hearts and clean hands.

Christians sinners justify losing in that war 'at times', by thinking the war will only be won for them at death.

The hope of the Christian saint is the resurrection of spiritual bodies, where overcoming in that war will no more be necessary, because the warfare is over and the race is won and eternal salvation is obtain forever.

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

 

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Explain this. Because you certainly appear to make claims that are not true: that all Christians will go on to commit sins 'at times',

Where did I say that? I don't recall saying that, and it doesn't sound like me.

Much love!

 

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I want one of you people that keeping talking about being 'sinless', to define it for me. Because I do not even read the word in Scripture, to know what God says it means.

I believe you will. And then I can answer you truthfully.

Thanks.

It means that you only do and think faithfully to God, walking in His Spirit, in trust and love. It means that you always do the works of the Spirit, the works ordained for you by Christ, and never do the works of the flesh. Not any of them.

Sinless = not falling short of God's glory.

Much love!

 

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Speaking for yourself?

Speaking of others. I've never come across anyone who makes this claim of being sinless that hasn't shown me otherwise at other times.

I'm thinking I should bow out of this.

Much love!