Clothes to identify gender

[FollowHim]

5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.
Deut 22:5

Gender identity is a hot topic in society at present.
In our society now with proper help and support for periods for women, hormone treatment etc. there is little that either sex cannot wear.

I was camping with a group, and one guy was very proud to appear dressed as a woman.
Now for me this did not change anything in the potential to interact with this individual, male or female, so I wondered why this mattered so much to them.

Inside themselves they are literally the same person, all they are changing is how people visually see them. But this is just a guy wearing womens clothing. The fact this matters to them is worrying, because they cannot be at peace with who they are, and need people to see them as something different all the time.

I see this need to control how others regard you as the failure, and the Lord detests the idea we want to change what cannot be changed rather than desire to share what we have with others for their encouragement.

Often mental illness is linked in with this confusion, so validating the confusion as valuable makes things worse rather than better. In the world of transgender, a lot of these operations end in disaster, because nothing changes within, so the dreamed of happiness never emerges, like the dream of the grass is greener in the other field, when it is what is contentment and happiness is the problem. And as believers we find this in Jesus and Him alone. If these individuals live alone, have no friends, this is more a call for help than a sensible call for some resolution.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I see this need to control how others regard you as the failure, and the Lord detests the idea we want to change what cannot be changed rather than desire to share what we have with others for their encouragement.

This really is a hot-button topic, and I'm flabbergasted at how quickly it has become one. I believe that the heart of this issue is a rebellion against and rejection of how God has made us. When a person rejects something so basic as gender, confusion is bound to result. So, this is not just a mental issue, but I believe that the heart of the problem is spiritual.

I feel for the young people are caught up in this storm of gender dysphoria. I see it as the devil's ploy to destroy them. I read an account of a father who had to stand by and watch as strong hormones were administered to his daughter in order to "change" her gender. He was heartbroken about it, but when the government steps in, what can parents do to protect their children?

The longterm effects of these massive doses of hormones and surgeries are not known, but once this "change" is accomplished, it cannot be undone. IOW, the child can never go back to being what he/she would have been without these destructive treatments.

I pray that people will wake up to the truth about this issue, but I fear that it will get much worse before it gets better.
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[FollowHim]

I want to put this into context. My daughter went to school with a young man who is a friend in their social group. She loves them deeply as a friend, and feels for them in this conflict of identity.

They have legally changed their identity from male to female, and we are told we need to call them she. Unfortunately they are also falling apart and turning up at their old school and demanding attention etc. They have social services involved, and are suicidal etc.

So this is a hot topic of conversation, and we are regarded as transphobic etc. But in all honesty I am out of my depth. For me, I am who I am, and am I centred in Christ, and that is enough. I have little care for my appearance and will make adjustments to suit situations but ideas and problems are my passion. My kids would call me female, because I love discussions and emotional understanding, and like interaction at a loving caring level, when they are feeling nice to me. But I am male, have an emotional detachment common to men and have a family and kids.

Being something other than myself, for me is a distraction, an imposition of group identity on to me. I am told though I am a male chauvanist, white male who was born into privilege and whatever view I have is invalid. In many ways I am a feminist and desire women to have the opportunity in the work place, in all aspects of social discourse and interaction on an equal footing to men, and we all benefit from this.

Jesus appears to me saying identifying He loves us as we are, but we need to learn to express ourselves within the limitations of social role and obligation, as part of our service.

The theory is gender is a social construct, and male and female behaviour is taught not innate. What is absurd in this statement in context is the fact testosterone creates male aggression, and the lack of it, empathy and agreeableness, which is 100% biological in its nature and not socially moulded.
It becomes a religion of society manipulating what one does not like, and biology, gender, putting urges in people which must be acknowledged and supported, which we do like.

Further confusion is created in these discussions because a small group of people are neither male or female, and can choose.
We as Gods people need a conclusive answer to questions such as these, because it creates a reason for people to regard ourselves as evil rather than upholding the realities of what God created us to be. God bless you.

 

[rockytopva]

Clothes to identify gender... I don't think that is a reality these days. If you ever been to a US Walmart be prepared to see the strangest things!

 

[FollowHim]

This really is a hot-button topic, and I'm flabbergasted at how quickly it has become one. I believe that the heart of this issue is a rebellion against and rejection of how God has made us. When a person rejects something so basic as gender, confusion is bound to result. So, this is not just a mental issue, but I believe that the heart of the problem is spiritual.

I feel for the young people are caught up in this storm of gender dysphoria. I see it as the devil's ploy to destroy them. I read an account of a father who had to stand by and watch as strong hormones were administered to his daughter in order to "change" her gender. He was heartbroken about it, but when the government steps in, what can parents do to protect their children?

The longterm effects of these massive doses of hormones and surgeries are not known, but once this "change" is accomplished, it cannot be undone. IOW, the child can never go back to being what he/she would have been without these destructive treatments.

I pray that people will wake up to the truth about this issue, but I fear that it will get much worse before it gets better.
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A retired teacher in our house group shared a simple problem in this area.
Autism is a serious problem for some, on a sliding scale. Such people can easily get attached to an idea and everything is focused on this concept above any other.

If someone with autism latches on to that they are the wrong gender, it can become something they pursue, not because it is true, but because they do this with everything that is their focus.

One such student had got embroiled in this situation. So what do you do? How can you slow this down, to a degree where a lifelong change, can be sorted out when maturity and identity are properly established. The idea that a growing and developing individual understands what they are and where they want to go, is troubling. There are limitations we put on children as to what they can and cannot do, yet this idea seems to be becoming an overriding belief beyond being loving and caring, into the idea children are just a movable creature which is moulded by just social expectations.

What is definitely true, pornography and violence corrupts individuals and they can become dangerous individuals who society needs protection from. For me identifying what we are is the first step, and then finding a path to where we need to go, is crucial for a meaningful existence.
For us as believers this is in Christ, but in the wider world, a balanced loving social network is not unreasonable.

If it is true a very small percentage of gender reorientations are long lasting, in might be creating more problems than it is resolving.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

A retired teacher in our house group shared a simple problem in this area.
Autism is a serious problem for some, on a sliding scale. Such people can easily get attached to an idea and everything is focused on this concept above any other.

If someone with autism latches on to that they are the wrong gender, it can become something they pursue, not because it is true, but because they do this with everything that is their focus.

One such student had got embroiled in this situation. So what do you do? How can you slow this down, to a degree where a lifelong change, can be sorted out when maturity and identity are properly established. The idea that a growing and developing individual understands what they are and where they want to go, is troubling. There are limitations we put on children as to what they can and cannot do, yet this idea seems to be becoming an overriding belief beyond being loving and caring, into the idea children are just a movable creature which is moulded by just social expectations.

What is definitely true, pornography and violence corrupts individuals and they can become dangerous individuals who society needs protection from. For me identifying what we are is the first step, and then finding a path to where we need to go, is crucial for a meaningful existence.
For us as believers this is in Christ, but in the wider world, a balanced loving social network is not unreasonable.

If it is true a very small percentage of gender reorientations are long lasting, in might be creating more problems than it is resolving.

I'm a retired teacher and mostly taught 8th-graders. I can tell you that this age group is so into groupthink. They tend to eagerly jump on any bandwagon that looks good to them at the time. I agree that young people are exposed to so many things that corrupt their minds!

Autism is another big issue. I didn't see much of this when I was a public school teacher in the '80s. But NOW, an alarming number of children are being diagnosed with this disorder. I read that one in fifty boys in the U.S. is considered autistic. I'm not sure if autism is being over-diagnosed, but I do think that something destructive is affecting the brains of those who are properly diagnosed.

It's very sad! I've read many accounts where parents have watched their healthy two-year-olds lose their ability to interact with them. Some of these children lose the ability to communicate through speech.

Some parents have blamed the thimerosal in vaccines because it contains mercury. Who knows for sure? I know a family whose daughter was diagnosed as autistic, but they had not had her vaccinated. It is a mystery, and I pray that God will show parents how to avoid this tragedy.

 

[amadeus]

Man has accomplished wonders in technology since I was a child, but his accomplishments with the people and the way people are, or are not, he has continued to fail miserably. God can solve or ease the pain of these troubles, but people have taken it out of God's hands instead of learning to lean on and depend upon Him. I guess because men have developed things like personal automobiles that will take them places many times faster than their forefathers could travel on foot or horseback, they presume they can also solve all of man's other problems. Actually it appears to be much worse now that it was for Adam. He had only one simple choice to make. We have so many choices to make we can scarcely even count them, much less properly decide the proper answer for each one.

Ultimately the answer is easy, but even those who know God in a measure often fail to pursue it as they should:

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt 11:28-30

Of course unbelievers will not accept this as an answer, but the real problem for us is that too many who label themselves as believers also are unwilling to really do it.

In a real situation with one of my own children how would I handle such a problem? On the details, I do not know, but God certainly does. Going to Him is always the right answer, but people usually go to their doctors or other professional human advisors or helpers before and/or instead of going to God. Of course in the worse cases there is always prayer. Does God still answer? Does God still help?

Help us dear Lord!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Man has accomplished wonders in technology since I was a child, but his accomplishments with the people and the way people are, or are not, he has continued to fail miserably. God can solve or ease the pain of these troubles, but people have taken it out of God's hands instead of learning to lean on and depend upon Him. I guess because men have developed things like personal automobiles that will take them places many times faster than their forefathers could travel on foot or horseback, they presume they can also solve all of man's other problems. Actually it appears to be much worse now that it was for Adam. He had only one simple choice to make. We have so many choices to make we can scarcely even count them, much less properly decide the proper answer for each one.

Ultimately the answer is easy, but even those who know God in a measure often fail to pursue it as they should:

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt 11:28-30

Of course unbelievers will not accept this as an answer, but the real problem for us is that too many who label themselves as believers also are unwilling to really do it.

In a real situation with one of my own children how would I handle such a problem? On the details, I do not know, but God certainly does. Going to Him is always the right answer, but people usually go to their doctors or other professional human advisors or helpers before and/or instead of going to God. Of course in the worse cases there is always prayer. Does God still answer? Does God still help?

Help us dear Lord!

I couldn't agree with you more!!! Good post!

 

[Stan B]

It's very sad! I've read many accounts where parents have watched their healthy two-year-olds lose their ability to interact with them. Some of these children lose the ability to communicate through speech.

The increase in autism is indeed a mystery. My son operates a manufacturing facility and hires autistic key employees like engineers. Their disability does not compromise their occupational skills. The only problem he has had to deal with is learning to communicate with them in their own language. They don't interface well with other employees. but my son has learned their language and everything has worked out very well for them. They communicate quite well with each other. If another employee has a problem with them, they are instructed to bring the matter for my son to deal with. He has been dealing with this for years, and is quite satisfied with their performance.

 

[Willie T]

Oh yeah! A trip to Walmart is often absolutely freaky.... in many ways.

 

[DPMartin]

this is human nature, it hasn't changed at all. what has changed and still is, is the returning to societies without God's influences. that guy shown in a previous posting wouldn't dare dress like that 50 60 years ago, in public. but that doesn't mean he wouldn't in private 50 60 years ago.


back in roman days it was normal to give one's child to a affluent person (what is still considered a pedophile) for a possession, for favor and advancements in society. that was a society without the influences of the Word of God in the world.

again what was recently illegal and done in secret, is becoming more and more legally acceptable and public. the Lord seems to be looking more to Israel then Gentile. God doesn't have to destroy you, He just has to leave you to your own judgements of what is good and evil, and you will self destruct. until like in Noah's day not one thought will be towards the Lord God. either way we are at the Mercy of God.

 

[Stan B]

back in roman days it was normal to give one's child to a affluent person (what is still considered a pedophile) for a possession, for favor and advancements in society. that was a society without the influences of the Word of God in the world.

Nothing wrong with pedophilia. No Biblical law against it. Mary was only 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus, and it was actually encouraged in the Old Testament for obtaining concubines.

 

[DPMartin]

Nothing wrong with pedophilia. No Biblical law against it. Mary was only 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus, and it was actually encouraged in the Old Testament for obtaining concubines.

really?

I knew there was something wrong about you

 

[Cristo Rei]

Nothing wrong with pedophilia. No Biblical law against it. Mary was only 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus, and it was actually encouraged in the Old Testament for obtaining concubines.

Here is a prime example of why sola scripture is inadequate

 

[charity]

'Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us,
and hath given Himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
.. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness,
.... let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
...... Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater,
hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words:
for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth )
Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.'
(Ephesians 5:1-12)