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BreadOfLife

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I have no idea what you mean by this.
BoL is a disgrace to his church. (small c)
It's nice if someone explains Catholicism.
Certainly NOT him.
He spews as much hatred as he claims Protestants have for the Cath ch.
(small c)

Another thing... he just can't accept what's going on in the church.
He's a traditional Catholic and any change upsets him.

I wonder if he knows that they're thinking of eliminating Original Sin?
And why? Because God cannot impute to US the sin of another.

That's all I have to say.
Except...
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Your comments in RED are flat-out lies.

First of all - I don't "hate" Protestants. Most of my siblings are Protestants and I love them dearly. What I don't have tolerance for are LIES.

Secondly - the Catholic Church has NEVER changed a doctrine and never will.
Your remark about the Church "changing" its position on Original Sin is another ridiculous lie.

And you can sit there and claim that you don't lie??
And you have the nerve to refer to ME as "disgraceful"??

What utter hypocrisy . . .
 
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Of course I was agreeing with you with regard to the way he is handling himself on behalf of his church. He is a well versed person who knows a lot of good things and really seems to know what the official Catholic stance is. If he learned to have more charity and mercy on those with whom he disagrees, he would likely win some people to Catholicism.


But then lots of people who label themselves Christian [be they formal Catholic or not] are really a disgrace to God. His intent is I believe good, but he does remind me of the Apostle Paul before he met Jesus on the road to Damascus. Maybe BOL will have his road to Damascus encounter one day.


Ah well, I must admit that I have seen too much the same thing going in the other direction. This is not a good reason, for for someone in the flesh it makes it more understandable why he would proceed as he does. Like Saul [to become Paul] he saw the damage without really recognizing the benefit.


His stand against change would be more admirable if it he understood better what should be changed and what should not. He is unwilling to listen to most folk. Maybe that meeting on the road is overdue.

Happy new Year!
What a complete crock.

You guys spew lies about the Church and get "offended" when I hold you accountable for them. If you don't like getting caught - then STOP lying already . . .
What a giant hypocrisy.

I don't expect people to agree with Christ's Church - just to be truthful about what the Church teaches and believes.
Maybe YOU will have your "Road to Damascus" experience one day, Amadaeus . . .
 
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Of course I was agreeing with you with regard to the way he is handling himself on behalf of his church. He is a well versed person who knows a lot of good things and really seems to know what the official Catholic stance is. If he learned to have more charity and mercy on those with whom he disagrees, he would likely win some people to Catholicism.


But then lots of people who label themselves Christian [be they formal Catholic or not] are really a disgrace to God. His intent is I believe good, but he does remind me of the Apostle Paul before he met Jesus on the road to Damascus. Maybe BOL will have his road to Damascus encounter one day.


Ah well, I must admit that I have seen too much the same thing going in the other direction. This is not a good reason, for for someone in the flesh it makes it more understandable why he would proceed as he does. Like Saul [to become Paul] he saw the damage without really recognizing the benefit.


His stand against change would be more admirable if it he understood better what should be changed and what should not. He is unwilling to listen to most folk. Maybe that meeting on the road is overdue.

Happy new Year!
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obviously not titled Grifters, if this strikes a cord with anyone pls help lol
 

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WRONG.
The Bible defines the Church as the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:12-31).

- Jesus established ONE Church (Matt. 16:16-19). He prayed fervently that this Church remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23). There is NO other.
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
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The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
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The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
- Jesus gave the Church supreme Authority on earth and whatever it ordains on earth is also ordained in heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).

Christ and the Church are indivisible because it is His BODY. - of which He is the HEAD (Col. 1:18).
The problem is, this church you speak of with all these verses is not the roman catholic church.
The church is not a building.
The church is not a country
The church does not have it's own army
The church does not have it's own currency
The church does not carry out crusades
The church does not carry our inquisitions
The church does not sign concordats with nazis.
And the church does not put Mary above Jesus.

Whatever church you are describing above, it is not the roman catholic church.
 

BreadOfLife

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The problem is, this church you speak of with all these verses is not the roman catholic church.
The church is not a building.
The church is not a country
The church does not have it's own army
The church does not have it's own currency
The church does not carry out crusades
The church does not carry our inquisitions
The church does not sign concordats with nazis.
And the church does not put Mary above Jesus.

Whatever church you are describing above, it is not the roman catholic church.
What is the "Roman" Catholic Church??
The Church I belong to is called, "The Catholic Church" - and nobody has ever claimed that it was a "building". It's the Body of Christ.

As for the other claims on your list - looks like YOU need to do some homework, sparky.
This looks to have been written by a person who is completely ignorant of history and Church doctrine . . .
 

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I already asked you another time to tell me where you live or the name of your bishop so I could write to him.

First of all, I don't care to be called a liar in an open thread.
Second of all, I don't lie.
Everything I post about Catholicism is CORRECT.

You turn people away from Catholicism with your diatribes.
It's disgraceful.
Turning people away from catholsim could be the best thing he ever does, maybe than they will turn to Christ and away from mens religions.

When men have idols in there hearts it is hard for them to let them go,

Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

and we all know where his heart is.
 

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What is the "Roman" Catholic Church??
The Church I belong to is called, "The Catholic Church" - and nobody has ever claimed that it was a "building". It's the Body of Christ.

As for the other claims on your list - looks like YOU need to do some homework, sparky.
This looks to have been written by a person who is completely ignorant of history and Church doctrine . . .
Sounds like you expect your church to save you - it won't
And you know as well as I do, everything on my list is 100% true
However, if you don't claim roman, then you claim eastern?
Eastern are the most loving people I ever met, you don't fit in.
You fit in with some roman group that split and is independent
They call them cults
 
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You think God is an "it"?
i think "It" is better than personifying God, but i understand either way

what do you call something you cannot comprehend, even something obviously alive?
"What is it?"
You think Jesus is a 2nd God?
hmm no, but i think Christ is the only image of Creative Force that we will ever "see"
 
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What a complete crock.

You guys spew lies about the Church and get "offended" when I hold you accountable for them. If you don't like getting caught - then STOP lying already . . .
What a giant hypocrisy.

I don't expect people to agree with Christ's Church - just to be truthful about what the Church teaches and believes.
Maybe YOU will have your "Road to Damascus" experience one day, Amadaeus . . .
Of course I was not talking about the Catholic Church, but about you my friend. You are quick to jump, but I did not speak of your church, only you with a reference to your possible negative affect on it. Consider it that way if you are able.
 

BreadOfLife

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Sounds like you expect your church to save you - it won't
And you know as well as I do, everything on my list is 100% true
However, if you don't claim roman, then you claim eastern?
Eastern are the most loving people I ever met, you don't fit in.
You fit in with some roman group that split and is independent
They call them cults
Why do you continue to lie?
100%
of your list is true?? Let's go one by one . . .

The problem is, this church you speak of with all these verses is not the roman catholic church.

What is the "Roman" Catholic Church. there is no such thing.
Roman or "Latin" refers to one of 20 RITES that make up the Catholic Church.

The church is not a building.
Where do you get this idiotic notion??
The Catholic Church has NEVER claimed to be a "building" - but the Body of Christ.

The church is not a country
Again - where do you get this idiotic notion??
The Catholic Church has NEVER claimed to be a "country" - but the Body of Christ.

The church does not have it's own army
And it doesn't.
The Swiss guard are security guards for the Vatican

The church does not have it's own currency
The Vatican uses Euros. This is a European currency.

The church does not carry out crusades

Sure, it did. READ your history.

MOST of the lies about the Crusades that ignorant people like you have been spoonfed were created in the late 19th century by the Ottoman Empire as it was dying out.

The church does not carry our inquisitions
Sure, it did. READ your history.
The Inquisitions are where we get our process of fair and balanced jurisprudence. The accused wanted to get their cases brought before the courts of Inquisition because the alternative was instant judgement. With the Inquisitions, MANY people were exonerated instead of being punished by the State without having their case heard.

The church does not sign concordats with nazis.
Complete ignorance of history on this one . . .
First of all - Pius XI signed a concordat with Nazi Germany right after Hitler took power - to PROTECT German Catholics and NOT to further the Nazi cause.

Not only did the Church speak out against Nazi atrocities - Pius XII was personally responsible for saving MORE Jews than Oskar Schindler. After the war, the chief Rabbi of Rome (Israel Zolli) converted to the Catholic Church and took Pius's given name (Eugenio) as His Baptismal name.

And the church does not put Mary above Jesus.
And the Church NEVER has put anybody above Jesus.
Your ignorance of Catholic teaching is matched ONLY by your complete historical bankruptcy . . .


Do your HOMEWORK . . .
 

BreadOfLife

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Of course I was not talking about the Catholic Church, but about you my friend. You are quick to jump, but I did not speak of your church, only you with a reference to your possible negative affect on it. Consider it that way if you are able.
You spoke of my being disdainful with people who "disagree" with me - and that is a big, fat lie.

I have stated repeatedly that I don't care if somebody simply disagrees with me.
What I have absolutely ZERO tolerance for are lies about what the Church believes and teaches.

I have ALSO stated that I won't go after anybody who doesn't lie - so get your story straight, my sanctimonious friend.
 

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Why do you continue to lie?
100%
of your list is true?? Let's go one by one . . .

The problem is, this church you speak of with all these verses is not the roman catholic church.

What is the "Roman" Catholic Church. there is no such thing.
Roman or "Latin" refers to one of 20 RITES that make up the Catholic Church.

The church is not a building.
Where
do you get this idiotic notion??
The Catholic Church has NEVER claimed to be a "building" - but the Body of Christ.

The church is not a country
Again - where do you get this idiotic notion??
The Catholic Church has NEVER claimed to be a "country" - but the Body of Christ.

The church does not have it's own army
And it doesn't.
The Swiss guard are security guards for the Vatican

The church does not have it's own currency
The Vatican uses Euros. This is a European currency.

The church does not carry out crusades
Sure
, it did. READ your history.

MOST of the lies about the Crusades that ignorant people like you have been spoonfed were created in the late 19th century by the Ottoman Empire as it was dying out.

The church does not carry our inquisitions
Sure, it did. READ your history.
The Inquisitions are where we get our process of fair and balanced jurisprudence. The accused wanted to get their cases brought before the courts of Inquisition because the alternative was instant judgement. With the Inquisitions, MANY people were exonerated instead of being punished by the State without having their case heard.

The church does not sign concordats with nazis.
Complete ignorance of history on this one . . .
First of all - Pius XI signed a concordat with Nazi Germany right after Hitler took power - to PROTECT German Catholics and NOT to further the Nazi cause.

Not only did the Church speak out against Nazi atrocities - Pius XII was personally responsible for saving MORE Jews than Oskar Schindler. After the war, the chief Rabbi of Rome (Israel Zolli) converted to the Catholic Church and took Pius's given name (Eugenio) as His Baptismal name.

And the church does not put Mary above Jesus.
And the Church NEVER has put anybody above Jesus.
Your ignorance of Catholic teaching is matched ONLY by your complete historical bankruptcy . . .


Do your HOMEWORK . . .
Lol, just thought I'd let you humor me for a while.
Boy, I've never met such a loser before.....
 
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BreadOfLife

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Lol, just thought I'd let you humor me for a while.
Boy, I've never met such a loser before.....
That's funny, because I've met PLENTY if ignorant anti-Catholics like YOU who can never seem to respond intelligently.
You make my job so much easier . . .