Actually you do, its grace by faith. I dont own a horse Im sorry, but if pointing men to Christ and His works is wrong, and upsets so many, well I guess heaven will be a very empty place. Made your choice leave you and your mates with it.
Colossians 2:14-16 - The Law That Was Against Us
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quietthinker
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lol...I'm responding to you 2ndTG :)....particularly this section of your quote #71
Power to convict of sin has never waned....it is always the Spirit who does this....from Creation. Adam hid himself after he disobeyed. Who do you think told him he was out of order?
After 400 yrs of being brutalised by the Egyptians the Israelites had little direction, they were if you like, suffering from PTSD.
For the majority, their sense of direction was largely informed by the Egyptian influences around them. They were so stunted that even after witnessing the plagues on Egypt, even after going through the Red Sea on dry land they were recalcitrant......so God spelled the principles of life out for them not only amidst thunder and flame verbally but also wrote them on stone.
When we use the expression 'written on stone' what do think that might mean? does it mean its a bad thing or does it mean it does not alter?
An interesting aside; have you ever wondered about the nature of the stone the first issue was?
Could it have been Lapis Lazuli (Sapphire) from the foundation of God's throne spoken of in Exodus 24:10.....but as I said, that's an aside.
Any attempt to diminish the Decalogue, any attempt to lessen its claims either by misrepresentation or decoy by labelling it 'ordinances' or 'law of Moses' or by 'written on your heart' ......for the ultimate purpose of nullifying them is treading on dangerous ground.
Then I must be insane because I sincerely believe nothing could be further from the truth. Even the good works that I do are tainted with selfishness. All my righteousness are as filthy rags. Somehow God sees through this to my heart and judges whether it's safe to save me and that I won't start or support a 2nd rebellion. Again, I can't help it if you don't understand judgment. Maybe I should start a thread on that.
2nd Timothy Group
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NLT - "Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear. 13 For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him."
We have been given the Power to please God Himself. How? The disabling Curse of Adam and Eve must be lifted. Once this is done, we are empowered by the life-giving Spirit to do each thing that our new and Heavenly Father desires that we would do. Therefore, when Paul urges us to work hard to show the results of our Salvation, he is basically saying that if we do not work hard, it means that we do not possess the Holy Spirit. If we are working hard, we are saved, lest our Hearts prove us to be liars.
We have been given the Power to please God Himself. How? The disabling Curse of Adam and Eve must be lifted. Once this is done, we are empowered by the life-giving Spirit to do each thing that our new and Heavenly Father desires that we would do. Therefore, when Paul urges us to work hard to show the results of our Salvation, he is basically saying that if we do not work hard, it means that we do not possess the Holy Spirit. If we are working hard, we are saved, lest our Hearts prove us to be liars.
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quietthinker
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I guess it is you who dont, if you are saved, by grace through faith, what purpose does it serve God to judge you a second time, that would make Him a hypocrit would it not, but like I said men serve their religions and their doctrines, you could leave and run to Him, but that may come down to, "When I return will I find faith upon the earth: its severly lacking.Then I must be insane because I sincerely believe nothing could be further from the truth. Even the good works that I do are tainted with selfishness. All my righteousness are as filthy rags. Somehow God sees through this to my heart and judges whether it's safe to save me and that I won't start or support a 2nd rebellion. Again, I can't help it if you don't understand judgment. Maybe I should start a thread on that.
ChristisGod
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can you point to where he denies salvation is by grace through faith as per Ephesians 2:8-10 ?
No, he can't, because he's too busy spewing the barbs of his religion-hating agenda. Thanks for your support. :) He just turned on me like a cat when I started this thread. Something just snapped. We were getting on fine before.
Why are you so upset, al lI did was mention Jesus, its what happens when religion gets in the way. But than truly this may be that final call, religion hass nothing to do with Jesus and one day when its too late men will find out, thats all men seem to promote "My religion is better than Yours", whatever Happened to Jesus.
@Christophany when a man is hoping to be judged by his works, than there is no grace by faith, its one or teh other. But Ill leave him be, lik so many chose teh path he will walk
And I'll leave you to your delusions as to my state of mind. Why would I be upset over remarks that serve no other purpose than to bitterly discourage fellowship? Everyone sees it for what it is. "Jesus" is just a word you toss around like a club for injuring people. If that is your "Jesus" you may have it.
quietthinker
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Funny all I mention is Christ, how so there fore may that be, He seems to upset everyone, mostly chritsians,, but than I guess few will follow after Himm,, of that He made it quiet clear. Men prefer there religion.
2nd Timothy Group
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Not really all that interesting. You're obviously smarter than myself. I keep things simple. :)
Ronald Nolette
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Well I agree you are misunderstanding what Jesus said! Jesus did not destroy the law, but fulfill it. And if something is fulfilled it is no longer in effect as "pleroo" means!
And given the culture of that day (not ours) yes many Jews had a real hard time understanding Pauls message, just like the legalists of today have a hard time understanding Pauls message.
Ronald Nolette
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I never said that the laws God has placed in my heart are in conflict with anything! That is you making a false assumption. If you read my posts you would know what I have said.
I am not "dismissing" teh decalogue- I am saying it has waxed old and has been fulfilled and that we are under the law of teh Spirit and not under the law written in stone which ministers death!
quietthinker
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Jesus the only Man to have kept the Law, who "was made sin for us", was not made God's Law our Righteousness for us? Much rather!
Grand theses on the Law that never touch the solid foundation of the Resurrection of Christ, are grand temples of learning built on the mouldered away Tables of Stone of the Law.
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