Complete unconditional immunity for police officers

[TLHKAJ]

Just thinking back of not hearing much about accusations against Trump before his Presidency and now many people are claiming all kinds of things from years gone by.

Much of what I know was well before he ran for president ...told to me before he even ran. It was just between friends during a tour of her city where I was considering moving to. She was giving me a tour and that was why I was videotaping, and in the course of her sharing, she shared what happened to her and her family ...as well as other individuals' families who were blocking his casinos coming to their city. There was no ulterior motivation behind her sharing.

My strong opinion is that the reason women began coming forward is because they wanted people to know what this man's character really was. It didn't matter .... I'm sure they didn't love the attacks they got for speaking out.

Anyway .... it's okay to keep to what you feel better to believe. I can only say what I know.

 

[Taken]

You're going to have to be more clear about what you're asking here.

As far as hearsay ....I suppose if you dig you may find out that Trump's plane was recently completely renovated ....gutted down to the wood.

Yes. You have mentioned his plane remodel. That doesn’t give me pause to make me challenge his Service as president.

I have video (not digital) of the lady who told me of the bribery and threats she and her family endured by him and his mafia (and that's what she called them). But again here's the thing .....none of these people have told me things about T to get attention. They didn't write books, or bribe him, or make money from their experiences/knowledge. There was no self promotion behind what they shared. When I shared about how SRA/MK survivors have reported that he sexually tortured them till they passed out and laughed while doing it…

i am not challenging your videos, you being told particular things of others claims…
If you had no personal experience with Trump, it is hearsay being told, by people I do not know, apparently in dire straights, to people I do not know…doesn’t allow for an viable verification and thus doesn’t get much of a rise out from me, when my consideration is about his service as president that which I am fond of.

PS .... don't worry about it. It's your right to disagree. I don't need you to agree with me. It's really okay.

Certainly. Ditto.

 

[TLHKAJ]

If you had no personal experience with Trump, it is hearsay being told, by people I do not know, apparently in dire straights, to people I do not know…doesn’t allow for an viable verification and thus doesn’t get much of a rise out from me, when my consideration is about his service as president that which I am fond of.

In other words, it's better not to know... who cares about his character? Who cares if a man traffics, rapes and tortures children and young ladies in his private life ...as long as I can tell myself it's just hearsay. So what if we all know it fits with his reputation as a womanizer (even to the extent of making sexual comments about his own daughters, even as infants, and encouraging other men to do so as well!!)?

There are some things (personal experience) I won't share publicly. At least not at this point.

I'm sorry, but that's what it says to me. It's okay.... if you ignore it, it ain't so. Life feels safer that way. I get it.

It's really okay. You're still my sibling in Christ. We can leave it at that.

 

[Taken]

Much of what I know was well before he ran for president ...told to me before he even ran. It was just between friends during a tour of her city where I was considering moving to. She was giving me a tour and that was why I was videotaping, and in the course of her sharing, she shared what happened to her and her family ...as well as other individuals' families who were blocking his casinos coming to their city. There was no ulterior motivation behind her sharing.

My strong opinion is that the reason women began coming forward is because they wanted people to know what this man's character really was. It didn't matter .... I'm sure they didn't love the attacks they got for speaking out.

There was a time in the not to distant past lewd behavior was acceptable between men and women and particular places men and women frequented had somewhat of an expectation such encounters might occur.
Once Laws for looking and touching other people became all the rage…Now women want retroactively use current laws for past behaviors are curious (and irrelevant) to me.

You have gone beyond that to speaking of ‘torture’ in connection with Trump, but no mention of any attempts to report or file charges, is curious to me.

Anyway .... it's okay to keep to what you feel better to believe. I can only say what I know.

This is not about feeling better. Same as you, I say what I believe and know.

 

[TLHKAJ]

You have gone beyond that to speaking of ‘torture’ in connection with Trump, but no mention of any attempts to report or file charges, is curious to me.

You don't understand how the cult protects handlers. Going to the corrupt system for help??? We already know what the system does. We.... as in survivors of SRA/MK. I gave an example already how my husband and I spent thousands to help defend my daughter and save our granddaughter from being trafficked. IT DIDN'T MATTER!!!!!! They do what the heck they want ....!! Who are we going to report it to? ....the cult?? lol That's who runs the "legal" system. It makes no sense. Survivors of SRA/MK know this. Many have spoken out in other ways ...YT interviews, forums, etc. What do we get in return? Disbelief, accusation, increased threats, punishments/tortures (as I have already stated and shared photos in a thread to prove it) .... loved ones harmed ...killed ....financial ruin, etc, etc.

 

[TLHKAJ]

When I began deprogramming, and I began to talk ....the cult handlers within the church we attended threatened me.... "CPS needs to visit your house!" And it wasn't long till someone from CPS came to my house and questioned me, then all my children separately. That happened 3 times and thankfully, God sent someone who wasn't cult and they saw the truth. And nothing came of it. But they kept on trying and they did finally get my granddaughter. (They use their organizations as a way to harass and steal children from people who are breaking their programming.) I'm not going to the system purposefully ....and 99% of survivors don't.

Another threat they carried out .... from the pulpit, our pastor (who was a cult handler) spoke as if it was a "word of knowledge" ...."Brother ____ is afraid that he will come home from work one night to find his entire family is burned up in a house fire." I knew it was a threat bc I had made attempts to leave the church and pull our children out of their school. Well, a after we left the church, our barn was set on fire. Guess who founded and runs the local fire department?? ..... pastor. Guess who 99% of the "volunteers" are? ....church members. Guess who came to put the fire out so they could gloat? Yep. The barn fire happened after my children and I were abducted/kidnapped, drugged, and sexually assaulted INSIDE OUR OWN BARN ...on the 2 year anniversary of my choice to leave the church ... Mother's Day 2009.

Do I trust the system? No, I do not. And 99% of survivors are the same. Most of our handlers and abusers hold very high positions. The answer isn't in the system. The answer is truth and prayer.

 

[Taken]

In other words, it's better not to know... who cares about his character?

Not know? You are right…there is no documents, no testimony, nothing to verify, no identity, ….except the accused.

Who cares if a man traffics, rapes and tortures children and young ladies in his private life ...

I would say a compassionate person is one who cares about an other plights, they know or hear about.

I would say there is another level of caring FOR another, whom they have interacted with, whom they know, whom they can help in some way with a need or comfort….

But hearing from someone, about someone, who knew someone….whereby the conversation is vague, except for key trigger words of human trafficking and torture and the name of an accused….is caring that is supposed to be toward … who? Some guy that was a repair man, some female having a casual conversation with you…?
Torture and Human trafficking is serious claims and as I said, I have zero way to verify anything about some unknown mystery person.

as long as I can tell myself it's just hearsay.

That is what it is.

So what if we all know it fits with his reputation as a womanizer (even to the extent of making sexual comments about his own daughters, even as infants, and encouraging other men to do so as well!!)?

I have no issues with Trump liking beautiful women, Trumps private encounters with beautiful women…
And not for a second believe him speaking of his daughters gave any rise to questioning inappropriate behavior with his daughters.

There are some things (personal experience) I won't share publicly. At least not at this point.

That of course is your business.

I'm sorry, but that's what it says to me. It's okay.... if you ignore it, it ain't so. Life feels safer that way. I get it.

No need to decide my feeling of safety for me. I simply listen to listen to hear-say claims, and if there is nothing to verify, there is nothing to verify…so that’s that. You have a beef and vendetta against Trump, that’s you, I don’t, nor do I have a reason to.

It's really okay. You're still my sibling in Christ. We can leave it at that.

Okay.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Do I trust the system? No, I do not. And 99% of survivors are the same. Most of our handlers and abusers hold very high positions. The answer isn't in the system. The answer is truth and prayer.

I believe this explains why some of Trump's victims came out after he began to run for president, because they felt an obligation for people to know the truth .....a situation of feeling a responsibility to expose it. Of course, Idk about every single situation.

There are some examples of legal cases proving SRA ...but it's very very difficult for that to happen.

Anyway, like I said ..... it's okay to stay in your safe space.

 

[TLHKAJ]

That is what it is.

Which then implies you can say it isn't true. I said enough ....my purpose is awareness and hopefully, that people will be more keen to what is actually happening.

Do you really believe my testimony? Do you believe people actually have suffered SRA and MK Ultra? I mean, that's just hearsay too, right? (I'm not lying, but .... it's the same principle.)

What if someone in your church came to you and said a child reported to them that your pastor has raped them? That would be hearsay. Do you dismiss the report?

That's a simple example. But it's an example that points out that not all hearsay is false.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Torture and Human trafficking is serious claims and as I said, I have zero way to verify anything about some unknown mystery person.

Maybe just be willing to consider what I've share may be true ....pray about it, and research.

 

[Taken]

Do I trust the system? No, I do not. And 99% of survivors are the same. Most of our handlers and abusers hold very high positions. The answer isn't in the system. The answer is truth and prayer.

Sounds like you are in a back-woods, small community whereby two or three run the community and dictate what’s what, and backlash to anyone who doesn’t go along…and you also know many people who have been victims of human trafficking, kidnapping, rape, torture, and the connections somehow all leads to Trump…is curious to me.

 

[Ziggy]

How about the topic:
Complete Immunity for cops?
I don't think thats a good idea and I don't think the SCOTUS would vote for it if it went that far.

But then we have AI. And who is going to challenge that?
How do you hold a robot dog accountable?

I see the thread kinda went sideways and well,
we all family, so.. let's shake hands and get back to the safe topic...
That other one is going to be hanging around for awhile.

Probably my fault as usual.

Having a rough night with dad tonight. Trying to keep things mellow.
Pray for me and dad
Thank you
Much Love
Hugs

 

[Taken]

Which then implies you can say it isn't true.

Everyone’s TRUTH is not the Same.
Everyone’s BELIEFS are not the Same.
Everyone’s EXPERIENCES are not the Same.

Point is when you speak your truths, your beliefs, your experiences… that is your sharing, and doesn’t matter if that is my truth, my belief, my experience.

When you speak of others….you decide what words to choose, what details to omit or include…and who is named as the culprit.

Do I believe such things occur? Sure.
Do I jump on board with you and lend my finger to also point to the culprit you have identified? No. I have zero verifiable facts to support that conclusion.

I said enough ....my purpose is awareness and hopefully, that people will be more keen to what is actually happening.

I believe people are aware such things occur.
I also believe a great number of people have zero like experiences.

Do you really believe my testimony? Do you believe people actually have suffered SRA and MK Ultra?

I have already answered that. You made claims about yourself. Okay. Sorry you experienced such things.
“high up”, political and wealthy men…maybe, yet the only named mentioned was Trump…and I am skeptical about that.

mean, that's just hearsay too, right? (I'm not lying, but .... it's the same principle.)

You speaking about you is first-hand. You speaking about and for others is hearsay.

What if someone in your church came to you and said a child reported to them that your pastor has raped them?

Poor analogy, I can not relate to.

That would be hearsay. Do you dismiss the report?

Since that example was someone telling me THEY were a person a child TRUSTED to tell…I would expect the child TRUSTED that person would take some Action…and probably I would say, Do you intend to take any Action on behalf of the child who confided in you…

That's a simple example. But it's an example that points out that not all hearsay is false.

No one said ALL hearsay is false. What I implied was hearsay with few facts does not give rise for me to verify or conclude anything.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Far from hearsay ...his own words brand him as a SICK PERVERT who not only sees women as sex objects, but has sexualized his own daughters from infancy. And THIS is okay??? And you call yourself a Christian??!!

I am not going to abide being accused of being a "liberal Democrat" or worse. I am neither. If I saw professing Christians praising Biden, I'd do the same thing. I would be pointing out that Biden is a pervert. But people aren't worshiping and blindly praising and upholding Biden. Trump IS "the snake" .... that's what snakes do. They mesmerize. He knows it. And fittingly, all his subjects are ......blind to it.

 

[Mr E]

Far from hearsay ...his own words brand him as a SICK PERVERT who not only sees women as sex objects, but has sexualized his own daughters from infancy. And THIS is okay??? And you call yourself a Christian??!!

I am not going to abide being accused of being a "liberal Democrat" or worse. I am neither. If I saw professing Christians praising Biden, I'd do the same thing. I would be pointing out that Biden is a pervert. But people aren't worshiping and blindly praising and upholding Biden. Trump IS "the snake" .... that's what snakes do. They mesmerize. He knows it. And fittingly, all his subjects are ......blind to it.

I'll pray for your mental anguish and mental healing. Get help.

 

[Mr E]

Donald Trump repeated his vow to indemnify Police Officers. I support this in the strongest terms.

Listen to his actual words.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/police-law-and-order-donald-trump/2023/12/16/id/1146203/

 

[Mr E]

He uses this plank in his platform to wrap up his campaign speeches and it's wildly popular. The vast majority of American people want society to respect and support the Police, the rule of law and law enforcement. We've seen the result in Democrat-run cities where all of these 'Defund the Police" policies were put in place. Absolute chaos, and no one wants to see this continue. No one but those who want to see America destroyed from within.

You can listen to Trump's full remarks here, but the wind up begins at about the 1 hour mark (with the Snake speech), and the Indemnify Police Officers comments occuring at 1:03:00 since that is the focus of this thread.

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[TLHKAJ]

I'll pray for your mental anguish and mental healing. Get help.

You have a very sadistic underhanded way of showing "kindness." And no wonder. God alone is my help. I will not apologize for being absolutely disgusted that professing (so-called) Christians worship a man who is an abuser, has bragged and admitted to groping women, has made sexual comments about his own children, and promoted and encouraged his perverted friends to do the same. People like you disgust me... and I KNOW that God does not approve of this one tiny bit.

 

[Mr E]

You have a very sadistic underhanded way of showing "kindness." And no wonder. God alone is my help. I will not apologize for being absolutely disgusted that professing (so-called) Christians worship a man who is an abuser, has bragged and admitted to groping women, has made sexual comments about his own children, and promoted and encouraged his perverted friends to do the same. People like you disgust me... and I KNOW that God does not approve of this one tiny bit.

That's quite a claim.

I wish you well.

 

[Angelina]