Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

[Spiritual Israelite]

You keep pointing towards a pre-trib rapture. That's great!!!!

He is refuting a pre-trib rapture and not pointing towards it in any way, shape or form. Why are you making things up?

While Noah built the ark....things looked good.... After all it wouldn't make sense to build an ark at the end of the flood. Then again for the post-tribber mind set...who knows that might make sense. Does it make sense to you Jeff?

Do you not believe Jesus when He said that He will come "immediately after the tribulation of those days" (Matthew 24:29-31)? He compared what will happen on the day He returns to what happened with the flood in Noah's day which killed all unbelievers. He said the same thing that happened when the flood came will happen when He comes again (Matthew 24:37-39) in the sense that it will destroy all unbelievers. How do you think the reference to Noah and the flood supports pre-trib? It surely does not.

 

[David in NJ]

That really doesn't matter....as I have said Jesus spells out the social economical conditions.
Those conditions will not be the social economic conditions at the end of the tribulation.

Sure they will = JESUS said so!

Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
46Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
47Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’
49and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
50the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
51and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape

 

[CrowCross]

He is refuting a pre-trib rapture and not pointing towards it in any way, shape or form. Why are you making things up?

He's trying to refute the pre-trib rapture....but isn't doing a real good job at it.

Do you not believe Jesus when He said that He will come "immediately after the tribulation of those days" (Matthew 24:29-31)?

Absolutely. Why wouldn't I?

He compared what will happen on the day He returns to what happened with the flood in Noah's day which killed all unbelievers. He said the same thing that happened when the flood came will happen when He comes again (Matthew 24:37-39) in the sense that it will destroy all unbelievers. How do you think the reference to Noah and the flood supports pre-trib? It surely does not.

Once again.....Jesus points out the social economical conditions just prior to His return. He made a list.
How does Jesus' list fit with an end of tribulation return?
Secondly if the list wasn't important to the question...why include it?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He's trying to refute the pre-trib rapture....but isn't doing a real good job at it.

He's doing a great job, but you are very lacking in discernment, so you can't see it. Ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

Absolutely. Why wouldn't I?

Because He taught a post-trib rapture, not a pre-trib rapture. Yet, here you are still believing in a pre-trib rapture.

Once again.....Jesus points out the social economical conditions just prior to His return. He made a list.

Explain what you're talking about here. I haven't read every post in this thread, so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[CrowCross]

He's doing a great job, but you are very lacking in discernment, so you can't see it. Ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

Oh, I get it....if I disagree with you or him...I need discernment. Is that how it works?

Because He taught a post-trib rapture, not a pre-trib rapture. Yet, here you are still believing in a pre-trib rapture.

I have no reason why not to believe in a pre-trib rapture over a post trib rapture.

My second choice would be a mid-trib rapture or pre-wrath rapture....which both are far superior to a post trib only rapture.

Explain what you're talking about here. I haven't read every post in this thread, so I don't know what you're talking about.

The social economic conditions are what Jesus spelled out....when you read them ask yourself how they would fit with a post trib rapture only theology....Ask, what will the world look like after all of those seal, bowl and trumpet judgements?

Luke 17:26Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

28It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30It will be just like that on the day the Son of Man is revealed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh, I get it....if I disagree with you or him...I need discernment. Is that how it works?

When it comes to end times doctrine, yes. You don't seem to understand anything at all when it comes to end times doctrine.

I have no reason why not to believe in a pre-trib rapture over a post trib rapture.

There are many reasons, but your mind is closed to what scripture actually teaches about this.

My second choice would be a mid-trib rapture or pre-wrath rapture....which both are far superior to a post trib only rapture.

LOL.

The social economic conditions are what Jesus spelled out....when you read them ask yourself how they would fit with a post trib rapture only theology....Ask, what will the world look like after all of those seal, bowl and trumpet judgements?

Luke 17:26Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

28It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30It will be just like that on the day the Son of Man is revealed.

You don't seem to understand people at all. Even during World Wars 1 and 2 many people were just going about their normal every day business. It will be no different before Jesus returns. How do you think that Jesus was talking about a pre-trib rapture in Luke 17:26-30? Do you believe that when the rapture occurs all unbelievers will be killed? Jesus said that just as all (except Noah and his family, obviously) were killed by the flood and just as all in Sodom (except Lot and his daughters, obviously) were killed, "It will be just like that on the day the Son of Man is revealed". So, do you agree with Jesus that all unbelievers will be killed on the day He comes and the rapture occurs? That's what Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:4 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, also.

The day the Son of Man is revealed is the day of the coming of the Son of Man. Christ's second coming. Christ clearly indicated that His second coming would occur "immediately after the tribulation of those days" (Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27). How can you miss something so obvious? He was not talking about some other coming of the Son of Man in Luke 17:30 than the one He talked about as occurring after the tribulation of those days.