stunnedbygrace
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I wont deny it's a mess. People are afraid and angry and tired and looking for who to blame. Everyone is running around trying to make the best decisions they can.
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Where I live it's positively ridiculous. Not wearing a mask, not social distancing, and defying SAH orders have become an identity and a signal to others that you're on the pro-Trump, Fox News, conservative team. I swear some of these folks would deliberately infect themselves if they thought it would "own the libs".I wont deny it's a mess. People are afraid and angry and tired and looking for who to blame. Everyone is running around trying to make the best decisions they can.
The people telling everyone to stay home are the ones working
Did you see this?
It time to stop talking about "conspiracy theories" when there are ACTUAL CONSPIRACIES.Sometimes conspiracy theories go a little farther than rantings on internet forums.
It's cos Trump wants to open up. The default position of the dems is to oppose Trump no matter what
That was the point of what I posted, just flipped. On air, Fox News is telling people to go back to normal activities, while at the same time telling their own employees to work from home.I read it but its got nothing to do with what I said.
One must be a hypocrite to tell others not to work when their working themselves.
Their saying "Do as i say, not as I do"
Citation please.Both Birx and the CDC have have admitted that they've been intentionally pumping up the covid deaths. So the death numbers are falsely inflated
Doesn't this make u suspicious? Why would they do that?
No. Bill Gates doesn't make money off vaccines and AFAIK neither does Fauci. In fact, Gates gives away (i.e., donates) very large sums of money to help vaccinate people in third-world countries. That some people see that as some sort of evil plot is just plain nuts.What about the conflict of interests with Gates and Fauci pushing for vaccines when they are involved in the vaccine industry.
Doesn't that make u suspicious?
Not sure what you're talking about.Then we have countless doctors speaking out against everything.
Doesn't that make u suspicious? What could possibly be their motive?
I'm not the type of person who sees conspiracies and evil plots around every corner. If you are, maybe stop for a second and self-examine to try and figure out where that level of paranoia comes from.Those same professionals have their opinions removed from online platforms.
Doesn't that make u suspicious? There are people showing u how to pick locks, make bombs and all sorts of things.
Why then would they remove a doctors opinion?
Don't u find anything suspicious?
Somehow I don't think you ever will. They seem to be very important to your identity.It time to stop talking about "conspiracy theories
I read it but its got nothing to do with what I said.
One must be a hypocrite to tell others not to work when their working themselves.
Their saying "Do as i say, not as I do"
That was the point of what I posted, just flipped. On air, Fox News is telling people to go back to normal activities, while at the same time telling their own employees to work from home.
Both Birx and the CDC have have admitted that they've been intentionally pumping up the covid deaths. So the death numbers are falsely inflated
Doesn't this make u suspicious? Why would they do that?
Citation please
No. Bill Gates doesn't make money off vaccines and AFAIK neither does Fauci. In fact, Gates gives away (i.e., donates) very large sums of money to help vaccinate people in third-world countries.
That some people see that as some sort of evil plot is just plain nuts
Then we have countless doctors speaking out against everything.
Doesn't that make u suspicious? What could possibly be their motive?
Not sure what you're talking about.
I'm not the type of person who sees conspiracies and evil plots around every corner. If you are, maybe stop for a second and self-examine to try and figure out where that level of paranoia comes from.
Oh ok i get what ur saying, they're being hypocritical in that sense. But it doesn't address what i said
I said people who are working are telling others not to work and stay home
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)
Quotes from that CDC page i linked above
"when it is listed as a “probable” or “presumed” cause — the death is coded as U07.1. This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation."
And
"Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, pneumonia, or influenza, coded to ICD–10 codes U07.1 or J09-18.9"
Why are they not being more transparent about this? Cos everyone including yourself quotes these deaths as hard facts when in fact their not. The death count is more of a worse case speculation and needs to be acknowledged as that
Did you even read the article? It specifically describes how his $10 billion donation towards eradicating/reducing HIV, malaria, TB, polio, and other diseases results in a $200 billion "economic benefit". That "economic benefit" isn't to Gates himself, it's to the people in the countries he's helping.Then why does he say that his best investment (in vaccines) has turned $10 billion into $200 billion?
Knowing that u would likely reject a right wing media source iv linked a left wing media source for u, CNBC
Bill Gates: My 'best investment' turned $10 billion into $200 billion worth of economic benefit
The article you just cited said he donated $10 billion to the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization, the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, and the Global Polio Eradication Initiative. Do you think they paid him back or something?So, do u accept that Bill Gates didn't just give away money? That he made a huge profit from pushing vaccines?
Does that strike you as being suspicious in any way? The false guise as a philanthropist? The insistent push to vaccinate everyone? The hostility against people that question aspects of vaccines? The unscientific rejection of scientists and doctors who inquire about vaccines?
Dude, experts from all over the world have been predicting pandemics for decades.....because we know they happen. We model them as part of our preparation efforts (if you know how it's likely to spread, you can more effectively target your response). That's why there was a Pandemic Response Team in the NSC in the White House (until Trump ended it), well before the COVID outbreak.On top of that we have Bill predicting this pandemic. How was he able to do that?
We have Bill owning a patent on a coronavirus and running computer models of coronavirus epidemics. Why?
Oh brother. Watch the whole video and you'll see when he says "reduce the number by 15%" he's talking about reducing the population growth rate.We have Bill saying that he wants to decrease the world population through vaccines? What does he mean by that?
I've seen all the Bill Gates conspiracy theories before. They're ridiculous and based on really odd twisting of things, such as the two cases you just posted.So it seems u have some new found facts to try and make sense of. Take your time to digest it, think it through, read other opinions no matter how nuts they sound cos it often reveals something or helps me think of something new. And then tell me what u think.
I would suggest you apply that skepticism to the conspiracy theories.Im not either, I just deal in facts and cos im skeptical by nature im not very easily convinced by claims
Self examination is important and I know im skeptical by nature.
I don't know why im a skeptical person. Im not sure where it comes from, maybe I was born that way.
Maybe Im skeptical of people cos i got into a lot of fights at school. Engineering needs a healthy degree of skepticism
I've been let down by a lot of people in the past which may be another reason for my skepticism
So there are a few possible reasons why im a skeptical person
The term "paranoid" has a complex definition, this is the guts of it according to google definition
"delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance"
Now, im not claiming to be getting persecuted, im not jealous and im not claiming any importance. So i can't possibly be showing paranoia. Difficulty trusting people, yes. Pessimistic, yes. Incredulous, yes. Skeptical, yes. Paranoid, no, not even close
As shown above, I do look into things and take them as they are, rather than interpret them through a conspiracy theory lens. Gates' TED Talk is a good example. He was obviously talking about reducing the population growth rate by 15%. How anyone got from that that he was talking about reducing the population itself by 15% is just plain bizarre.Im not the type of person to dismiss things without looking into it, I appreciate that people have different opinions and im not naive
Maybe u can self-examine and figure out why you so easily dismiss people without understanding their claim
Why u think that there can only be one point of view, yours
And why u resort to calling people things like conspiracy theorists, nuts and paranoid when they disagree with you
And why your so naive?
I've taken a look at what you provided and found it completely unsupportive of any sort of conspiracy. If you'd like to explain how you believe those things actually support the conspiracy theory, I'll listen.Im not trying to put u down or be smart or win an argument or even trying to make u agree with me. All i would like to see is some understanding. Without understanding, people fall into this toxic state of dismissing others as "something" which is far too common these days
Sure, but what specific examples are you talking about? Context is important.
We went over this before. Remember the "but for" test? If a person has a heart condition but is living a relatively normal lifestyle until they get COVID and die, they are recorded as having died from COVID.
Did you even read the article? It specifically describes how his $10 billion donation towards eradicating/reducing HIV, malaria, TB, polio, and other diseases results in a $200 billion "economic benefit". That "economic benefit" isn't to Gates himself, it's to the people in the countries he's helping.
The article you just cited said he donated $10 billion to the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization, the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, and the Global Polio Eradication Initiative. Do you think they paid him back or something?
All of those efforts have reduced the levels of disease and death in the poorest parts of the world, and your reaction to that is "what is he up to"? Come on.
Dude, experts from all over the world have been predicting pandemics for decades.....because we know they happen. We model them as part of our preparation efforts (if you know how it's likely to spread, you can more effectively target your response). That's why there was a Pandemic Response Team in the NSC in the White House (until Trump ended it), well before the COVID outbreak.
Again, you're taking a perfectly sensible set of actions (pre-planning and preparing for inevitable epidemics) as some sort of evil plot. That's like saying someone having a storm shelter before a tornado hits is evidence that they were part of a conspiracy to make the tornado!
Oh brother. Watch the whole video and you'll see when he says "reduce the number by 15%" he's talking about reducing the population growth rate.
Innovating to zero!
I've seen all the Bill Gates conspiracy theories before. They're ridiculous and based on really odd twisting of things, such as the two cases you just posted.
I would suggest you apply that skepticism to the conspiracy theories.
Aren't you of the belief that vaccines are part of some nefarious plot? If there's a COVID vaccine, will you get it?
As shown above, I do look into things and take them as they are, rather than interpret them through a conspiracy theory lens. Gates' TED Talk is a good example. He was obviously talking about reducing the population growth rate by 15%. How anyone got from that that he was talking about reducing the population itself by 15% is just plain bizarre.
I've taken a look at what you provided and found it completely unsupportive of any sort of conspiracy. If you'd like to explain how you believe those things actually support the conspiracy theory, I'll listen.
No, he never said he makes money from it.- U said Gates makes no money on vaccines and i showed u him saying he does.
And by the same token you invented the idea that the $200 billion went to him. Like I asked, do you think those organizations he donated the $10 billion to wrote him a check for $200 billion?He never says that the $200 billion went to countries, u just invented that. And he refers to it as an investment and financial return
Yes, if someone dies showing all the symptoms of COVID in the midst of a COVID pandemic, but the lack of testing equipment prohibits medical officials from testing the patient for the virus (despite Trump repeatedly lying about "everyone who wants a test can get one"), it's reasonable to conclude they died from COVID.- I showed u the CDC saying that some covid deaths are assumed without lab confirmation.
You need to read more carefully (and understand that COVID kills via pneumonia). If you look at Table 1 on the CDC website you linked to, you'll see how they're categorizing deaths. Column 1 shows COVID deaths. Column 2 shows deaths from all causes. Column 3 shows how the death rate for each week compares to death rates for the same weeks from previous years. Column 4 shows pneumonia deaths. Column 5 shows deaths from COVID caused pneumonia. Column 6 shows influenza deaths. Column 7 shows the combined total of deaths from pneumonia induced by either COVID or influenza.It also says that flu and pneumonia deaths were added. Ur not honest enough to acknowledge that either
Huh? How can Gates have a patent on the virus? And I explained how running simulations of pandemics is part of the pre-planning efforts to combat pandemics. Again, you're saying efforts to prepare for pandemics are evidence that the pandemic is some sort of conspiracy, which is absurd.I said that Gates has a patent on coronavirus and ran epidemic simulations but u ignored that cos it destroys ur view
Watch the whole TED talk. He explains it.Reducing the population rate, ok. But u couldn't explain how a vaccine does that. Gates' explanation is illogical
Is that how you respond when someone investigates your arguments? Personal attacks? That doesn't speak well of you.Uv just proven to be a dishonest person
Is that how you respond when someone investigates your arguments? Personal attacks? That doesn't speak well of you.
That "economic benefit" isn't to Gates himself, it's to the people in the countries he's helping
Again you need to be more careful. In the video you cite, at 2:04 Gates states what this "economic benefit" is(emphasis mine). He describes the benefit as "helping young children live, get the right nutrition, contribute to their countries. That has a payback that goes beyond a typical financial return."Fact
If your trying to define "economic benefit" as giving away money then ur wrong.
This explains what "economic benefit" means
So did u get that? Examples of economic benefits
Net cash flow
Revenue
GDP growth
Wealth creation
Job creation
Net income
Profits
Lower costs
If u can tell me where Bill Gates says that the economic benefit goes to the countries then its true. If u can't then its false
I don't even think to watched the interview. This is what lefties do, refuse to accept facts
Gates explains everything very clearly in the first 2 minutes of the video. His investment and his return. There is no mistaken what he is saying.
$10 bil turned into $200 bil, profit, in his pocket, cha-ching $$$$$
But i know you'll likely spit out the truth and make some invalid excuse so that ur world view doesn't get shattered into millions of pieces
Never let what u feel, make u forget what's real
Facts over feelings
Well that is something we agree on this world is spiraling into darkness.So..a possible outcome... The government promises all manner of judicial investigation... The FBI.... Police.... State department etc etc etc... And the cop gets off and disappears. What happens? More riots on a nationwide Grand scale with steroids... And the deep state comes down even harder with even greater police powers and curtailing of freedoms... Curfews...
.... Or I could be whistling in the wind.