Wrangler
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Oy vey. Do you suppose LDS boast about earning their way into heaven AND that means they are not even Christians?
Cults And Their Faults
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It’s truth that matters @Wrangler.
I believe a person who is the Mormon institution can become Christian.
I can’t judge the heart, but does that mean you don’t try to share and encourage by reading the Bible with one another, just to learn and grow?
They may not boast as much in themselves as they will for the Lord, and what he had done for them.
Ultimately that is a change of heart, by the spirit.
Wouldn’t you say?
I believe a person who is the Mormon institution can become Christian.
I can’t judge the heart, but does that mean you don’t try to share and encourage by reading the Bible with one another, just to learn and grow?
They may not boast as much in themselves as they will for the Lord, and what he had done for them.
Ultimately that is a change of heart, by the spirit.
Wouldn’t you say?
Wrangler
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Agreed. And the truth is LDS consider themselves to be Christians who accept Christ as their lord and savior. That’s good enough for me.
Why is it not good enough for you?
Yes. They do believe that, and they have extra stuff added on top of that initial message.
It’s not up to me to judge.
What is important is finding commonalities between me and the other, rather than differences really.
Talk differences out when they come about, with nonjudgmental progression of conversation.
Many out there ready to drop
Cause you don’t believe like me!!!!! Points finger angerly.
“You are going to hell”
That is why I’m glad hell is done and over with.
Such a silly saying these days to hear honestly.
You can’t do it on this website but many people think it.I am to the point I don’t care for the most part people make their choice.
There are only two places, outside or inside the heavenly kingdom.
Faithful or non-faithful
Cause you don’t believe like me!!!!! Points finger angerly.
“You are going to hell”
That is why I’m glad hell is done and over with.
Such a silly saying these days to hear honestly.
You can’t do it on this website but many people think it.I am to the point I don’t care for the most part people make their choice.There are only two places, outside or inside the heavenly kingdom.
Faithful or non-faithful
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A Christian believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. That salvation comes via faith in Him, the Savior of the world. John 3:16. That is the pure and simple Gospel. Nothing else added to it, such as "well you also got to proclaim Sola Scriptura and ace this theology test."
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God- He is my Lord, Savior, & King. My church teaches that, over and over again. Here's just a handful of actual references (all regarded as scriptures by LDS Christians):
- God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, John 3:16.
- This is my beloved Son, Matt. 3:17 (17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35; 2 Pet. 1:17; 2 Ne. 31:11; 3 Ne. 11:7; JS—H 1:17).
- thou art the Son of God, Matt. 14:33 (27:54; Mark 3:11; 5:7; 15:39; Luke 4:41; 8:28; John 1:34, 49; Alma 11:32; 36:18).
- Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God, Matt. 16:16(John 6:69; 11:27; D&C 14:9; 42:1; 55:2; 68:25).
- I am the Son of God, Matt. 27:43 (John 10:36; 3 Ne. 9:15; 20:31; D&C 6:21; 10:57; 11:28; 45:52; 68:6).
- nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, Matt. 28:19.
- Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Mark 1:1 (John 20:31; Acts 8:37; 9:20; 2 Cor. 1:19; Heb. 4:14; 1 Jn. 4:15; 5:5; 2 Ne. 25:19; Mosiah 3:8; Alma 36:17; Hel. 3:28; 3 Ne. 5:13, 26; 9:15; D&C 6:21; 35:2; 36:8; 46:13; 50:27; 52:44).
- Jesus, thou Son of the most high God, Mark 5:7.
- Dost thou believe on the Son of God, John 9:35 (1 Jn. 5:10, 13; 2 Ne. 25:16; Mosiah 4:2; Alma 33:14, 22; Hel. 14:8; Morm. 7:5; Ether 12:18).
- we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, 1 Jn. 3:23.
- eternal life, and this life is in his Son, 1 Jn. 5:11.
- Son of God was the Messiah who should come, 1 Ne. 10:17.
- Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father, 1 Ne. 11:21 (13:40).
- I beheld the Son of God going forth, 1 Ne. 11:24.
- called the Son of God, Mosiah 15:2.
- testimony of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Alma 6:8 (33:17; Hel. 8:14).
- coming of Christ, who is taught by us to be the Son of God, Alma 34:2 (34:5).
- called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first, D&C 93:14.
- my Beloved Son … from the beginning, Moses 4:2.
- We believe … in His Son, Jesus Christ, A of F 1:1.
LDS Christians believe that salvation comes via faith in God. You can't earn it yourself-- that's a downright laughable absurdity. Real faith of course is not just shallowing saying "yeah, I believe" and then continuing to kiss Satan's feat same-old-same-old. Rather it's an entire change of heart, the old sinner being cast away and the new disciple being born. "Lord I believe" is the start and foundation of us following Him out of love.
It's funny how "anti-cult" sites then try to add a bunch of other stuff to this simple Gospel like "you got to believe xyzzy and not abc, and most importantly belong to my group and not group LMNOP! Everyone else is going to burn in Hell!" To me such is a huge red flag, and I find "anti-cult" places to be extremely focused on their own authority and very little on the First or Second Great Commandments.
Wrangler
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I've read your confession of faith many times. The anti-cultists ignore it.
I'm with you, sister!
Well LDS have doctrine that goes beyond the bible and some of it is counter to what the bible says. So I'm a little confused about LDS. But I suppose it's really not my problem.
The two major areas where the LDS church deviates from the bible is in drinking alcohol, which the bible spells out for the poor and dying. It also deviates in marriage in heaven from what Jesus taught.
it’s not really my problem either,
Either I can love
The person or hate them.
That is my choice and no one else’s.
Either I can love
The person or hate them.
That is my choice and no one else’s.
Let’s look at love.
The definition.
“If with the tongues of men and of messengers I speak, and have not love, I have become brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling; and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, and if I have all the faith, so as to remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing; and if I give away to feed others all my goods, and if I give up my body that I may be burned, and have not love, I am profited nothing.
The love is long-suffering, it is kind, the love doth not envy, the love doth not vaunt itself, is not puffed up, doth not act unseemly, doth not seek its own things, is not provoked, doth not impute evil, rejoiceth not over the unrighteousness, and rejoiceth with the truth;
all things it beareth, all it believeth, all it hopeth, all it endureth.
and now there doth remain faith, hope, love — these three; and the greatest of these [is] love.”
1 Corinthians 13:1-7, 13 YLT98
The definition.
“If with the tongues of men and of messengers I speak, and have not love, I have become brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling; and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, and if I have all the faith, so as to remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing; and if I give away to feed others all my goods, and if I give up my body that I may be burned, and have not love, I am profited nothing.
The love is long-suffering, it is kind, the love doth not envy, the love doth not vaunt itself, is not puffed up, doth not act unseemly, doth not seek its own things, is not provoked, doth not impute evil, rejoiceth not over the unrighteousness, and rejoiceth with the truth;
all things it beareth, all it believeth, all it hopeth, all it endureth.
and now there doth remain faith, hope, love — these three; and the greatest of these [is] love.”
1 Corinthians 13:1-7, 13 YLT98
1 Corinthians 13:4-13 The love is long-suffering, it is kind, the love doth not envy, the love doth not vaunt itself, is not puffed up, doth not act unseemly, doth not seek its own things, is not provoked, doth not impute | Young's Literal Translati
The love is long-suffering, it is kind, the love doth not envy, the love doth not vaunt itself, is not puffed up, doth not act unseemly, doth not seek its own things, is not provoked, doth not impute
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No doubt a parent needs to help in correction for their sons or daughters @dev553344. If you love someone you wanna keep them from hurting themselves and others. But that doesn’t necessarily have to deal with “belief”.
I was LDS. So I know what they believe. I'm just not sure I follow it anymore.
The true church of Christ is spelled out in the bible and further defined by the actions contained in the sheep and goats. Common wealth of the church and away from economical segregation.
I don't doubt that Mormons visit the sick and elderly. But it's a few steps backwards from the church defined in the bible.
Triumph1300
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Yes, read The True Story of David Koresh and the Waco Tragedy by Stephan Talty.
This group started as 7th Day Adventists.
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