Daniel 9:24 - '... to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins ...'

[Truth7t7]

Then please present God's truth, and not your own. As for being directed at just you, then that is your misunderstanding of what I had posted. I believe that my post had a broad brush stroke of posters who fitted what I had posted.

As for your claim concerning the present status of Satan as being presently restrained, that is not true. He is restrained when he is finally kicked out of heaven and then when he reaches the surface of the earth, he, the wicked fallen heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth are all grabbed and imprisoned in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years until the bottomless pit is unlocked for the little while period. The imprisonment begins at the end of this age which also coincides with the start of the Millennium Age.

Oh well, I did not have to make any accusation or personal attack which you have not already confirmed with your response as you did not or probably could not back your claim of a false accusation with the relevant scriptures to support your claim. Oh, the relevant scripture for showing your error is Isaiah 24:21-22. The question that you have to confirm is when are the kings of the earth judged at the same time that the heavenly hosts are also judged. I believe that it has something to do with the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon.

Shalom

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Truth7t7]

Then please present God's truth, and not your own. As for being directed at just you, then that is your misunderstanding of what I had posted. I believe that my post had a broad brush stroke of posters who fitted what I had posted.

As for your claim concerning the present status of Satan as being presently restrained, that is not true. He is restrained when he is finally kicked out of heaven and then when he reaches the surface of the earth, he, the wicked fallen heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth are all grabbed and imprisoned in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years until the bottomless pit is unlocked for the little while period. The imprisonment begins at the end of this age which also coincides with the start of the Millennium Age.

Oh well, I did not have to make any accusation or personal attack which you have not already confirmed with your response as you did not or probably could not back your claim of a false accusation with the relevant scriptures to support your claim. Oh, the relevant scripture for showing your error is Isaiah 24:21-22. The question that you have to confirm is when are the kings of the earth judged at the same time that the heavenly hosts are also judged. I believe that it has something to do with the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon.

Shalom

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[nenagana]

'Seventy weeks are determined upon Thy people
and upon thy holy city,
.. to finish the transgression, (H6588)
.... and to make an end (H2856) of sins,
...... and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
........ and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
.......... and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
............ and to anoint the most Holy.'
(Dan 9:24)

Hello there,

The final weeks of the seventy weeks of Daniel nine immediately precede the thousand year reign, and carry into that period the blessings indicated in Daniel 9:24 (above), which will characterise the Millennium.
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Daniel 9:24, is the only place where it is translated 'finish' in Scripture: and in the marginal notes it is corrected by the words, 'or restrain'. The word is used of the imprisonment of Zedekiah and of Jeremiah, and the noun forms 'kele', and 'beth kele,' translated 'prison'.
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'chatham' is translated:- seal (16), seal up (6), mark (1), be stopped (1) and the Chaldaic word in Daniel 6:17 - seal.

(Christianity and the Rest of the World will die believing that the Messiah will Come and Redeem them on Earth, but in reality, they will satisfy their pleasures on earth, in the most grevious way, with the unclean...........and with the pleasures of snares and heresies)

BACK TO TOPIC

Long Long Story Short! (the measurement of Joseph, is a measurement of a finished covenant, so that is language that deals with the messiah or is a description of the messiah jesus)

Daniel 9:24 = Completed ........... (Moses Took Joseph's Bones, for 40 Years Exodus, and God SEALED up the vision by breaking the commandments.............Joseph was reckoned for 30 Years (luke 3:23), and Jesus was SEALED in the tomb along with the vision) (God's SEALS, in disputing "suicide pleasure", recorded in revelation, is a finished work and blindness for the last generation, as they die in their sin) (Jeremiah said the Lord would Reign for 70 Years in the Desolations of Jerusalem/Isreal.............this is not an earthly measurement, not directly tied to jesus's lifespan or testimony length)

DANIEL 9:26 = Completed ........... (Daniel's Prophecy@@@@@the 62nd Week if we follow Ezekiel 4:5-6, that writing on the wall, marked the destruction of the temple and the resulting flood that destroyed babylon/ninevah) (Daniel's Lion or the "Lion of Judah" (2 Timothy 4:17, Hosea 5:10-15........was a description of "Jesus/Joseph"...........so its like to say this::::::"1290 and 1335" of Daniel for the Messiah = 29 + 33 = 62 Weeks, that was finished with the cruxifixion also)
(Jesus Ministry and to his Crucifixion, when the MESSIAH IS CUTOFF, the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION is poured OUT) (this "Lion of Judah" is attributed to King David (Rev. 5:5, not the "Jesus/Joseph" in the revelation, so this is a completed measurement marked by the Crucifixion)

Daniel 9:27 = Completed ..............Turin Shroud of Jesus 1997 - 49 Years or One Week Jubilee = Independance of Isreal 1948 this is the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION ........... this is humanities conviction of dead flesh in its accusation ............. (the argument is earth energy grid, most likely, but its also an accusation, of suicide pleasure, clearly this is true, just think about the genocide the jews there do against palenstine and all those people and the many countries that fund their weapons all for, suicide pleasure) (Jesus, not a Son of Man, not a Prophecy or a False Prophet, Satisfies this Language, this is a completed measurement)

Daniel 9:25 = Completed or Incompleted ...........

Incompleted
"Messiah the Prince" or the "Prince of the Power of the Air" ......... that is the NEW SPIRIT ....... (that takes the title of "Lion of Judah" from Jesus to God (King David)) .......... that destroys Jerusalem, to mark the last reign has not taken place .............. (so "32 and 7" years = 39 years from 2061 A.D. = 2022 A.D., if that is true, Ezekiel 4:5-6 is a statement)

Completed
(The Commandment was Given to the Wisemen, to Build and Restore Jerusalem for the Messiah..............and again at the Crucifixion (1290 and 1335, that is 29 and 33 for 62 years (marking ministry and crucifixion), and 7 years before going to jerusalem is 69 years .............. the apostle paul as the gospel records, tried but ultimately failed to build and restore jerusalem)

(Fatima Prophecy 1917 ..... 31 Years to Independance of Isreal 1948 ........... 38 Years to Halley's Comet 1986 = 69 Years Total (halley's Comet markes euthanasia of humanity in 2061 A.D.) (this is 69 years/weeks)
(Halley's Comet Last Cycle)
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Statement Legal
Statement Legal

(its not clean for God to, do the work of "dead flesh accusation", in the new testament in terms of "suicide pleasure" with the gospel's tables and man's responsibility for its generational sin and genetic decay/spiritual decay)

(Jesus did destroy the temple in jerusalem, spiritually, but God just doesn't go on to finish or to justify things in humanities sin..............humanity is deceased in only a few more years..................what humanity does not have is the dead body of moses in its suicide pleasure, humanity will die blind and dumb, don't expect it to take any action before its death)

(God has, Jesus Only in View, or Joseph Only in View................its for that reason we talked about God's blessing of Moses, to remove the controversy of humanities suicide pleasure with his testimony, and this is the most humanity will get some identification with that, but not much, no specific signs or vision for this earth, that is apart of humanities accusation of dead flesh)

(a good number of people will die on earth, when god resolves this suicide pleasure with humanity and the testimony of moses at present, maybe not 1 to 2 billion people, but if this activity follows the earth's energy network, then, a good number of people will die in the "bible belt countries" that is from india to africa (that includes the middle east and isreal), this would be basic science............) (God may not even do this, God will have to reveal his position of inaction or action in the controversy of humanities suicide pleasure with dead flesh, and its at a long standing climax right now) (God sets things into motion surrounding the son of man, in 2022 A.D. at his 40th birthday, and then it takes about 2300 Days of Daniel to get to 2028 A.D. which is 33 years of King David's Reign to Humanities Death to see that argument of the earth's field blossum, to a stage, with or without humanity resolving its dead flesh, those genetic lines)

(this is a reasonable, legal, and sound conclusion based on the gospel's law..............its not clean to say that god will do nothing, or that god will do everything, you have to wait until god takes an action, this is very soon resolved)

 

[quietthinker]

'Seventy weeks are determined upon Thy people
and upon thy holy city,
.. to finish the transgression, (H6588)
.... and to make an end (H2856) of sins,
...... and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
........ and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
.......... and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
............ and to anoint the most Holy.'
(Dan 9:24)

Hello there,

The final weeks of the seventy weeks of Daniel nine immediately precede the thousand year reign, and carry into that period the blessings indicated in Daniel 9:24 (above), which will characterise the Millennium.

1. The restraining of Satan
2. The restraining of transgression
3. The sealing up of sins
4. The rule of the rod of iron.
5. The willing obedience of Israel.
6. The feigned obedience of many of the nation.

* The first thing to be accomplished when the seventy weeks have accomplished their purpose is, 'to finish (H3607= Hb.'Kala') the transgression' (H6588 =Hb.'Pesha').

* What does this mean? Will transgression be 'finished' in the sense that it is so completely accounted for by Atonement and Forgiveness, that it will never again raise its head? No. For the Hebrew word 'Kala', translated 'finish' here, is also translated as follows:-

Forbid (1), keep (1), keep back (1), refrain (2), retain (1), shut up (4),
withhold (2), be stayed (2), be restrained (2), be stayed (1), and finish (1).
​

Daniel 9:24, is the only place where it is translated 'finish' in Scripture: and in the marginal notes it is corrected by the words, 'or restrain'. The word is used of the imprisonment of Zedekiah and of Jeremiah, and the noun forms 'kele', and 'beth kele,' translated 'prison'.

* Daniel nine does not teach us that when that prophecy is fulfilled transgression will be 'finished', it will be RESTRAINED or IMPRISONED. This will be also the condition of Satan throughout the Millennial Kingdom, he will be 'bound' for a thousand years, but he will by no means be 'finished'. In like manner, sins will be SEALED UP, as the marginal notes indicate against the reading of 'to make an end (H2856 Hb. 'chatham') of sins'.

'chatham' is translated:- seal (16), seal up (6), mark (1), be stopped (1) and the Chaldaic word in Daniel 6:17 - seal.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Ref. The Berean Expositor volume 38

The final week has come and gone. From God's perspective in Jesus he has finished the transgression and made an end to sins. Romans 5:12-21 is clear. Paul here has repeated himself half a dozen times to make this point. In Adam all were lost, in Jesus all have been reconciled ie, the whole world...read it! The fact that the whole world does not want reconciliation is not God's issue.

To seperate the last week of the 70 week prophecy to make it appear as if it were meant for some time future is poor theology. It is an attempt to throw a spanner in the works and to fog up that which is clear.

'In the midst of the week the Messiah will be cut off' referring to the last week. The beginning of Jesus ministry to when the message of the Gospel went to the Gentiles is 7 years (1 week) In the midst of that week (3.5 yrs) Jesus was crucified (cut off) When the Jews finally rejected the those who brought the message of the Gospel to the world (the stoning of Stephan) a further 3.5 yrs from the crucifixion the time determined for National Israel as the special envoy of God was terminated. Its mantel fell on all who believed.

 

[Cassandra]

YES! And right after the stoning of Stephen, Paul is converted -Gospel is given to the Gentiles.

 

[charity]

@Lambano, @VictoryinJesus, @marks, @Truth7t7, @Jay Ross, @Enoch111, @nenagana, @quietthinker, @Cassandra

Hello there,

Thank you all for contributing to the thread. I am shocked at the divergent nature of the opinions expressed. I will not respond to any, for I believe only the word of God itself can be the arbiter. It is far too complex for me to unravel.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Jay Ross]

@Lambano, @VictoryinJesus, @marks, @Truth7t7, @Jay Ross, @Enoch111, @nenagana, @quietthinker, @Cassandra

Hello there,

Thank you all for contributing to the thread. I am shocked at the divergent nature of the opinions expressed. I will not respond to any, for I believe only the word of God itself can be the arbiter. It is far too complex for me to unravel.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Chris, if it is far to complex for you to unravel, then why publish your opinion when you have not unravelled what it is that you publish in your posts.

We all believe that we understand the the word of God and as such create confusion among our readers with the divergent opinions that are expressed.

What we are seeing at present with respect to Israel is the drawing to a conclusion of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers over a period of two days of the Lord which is also expressed in the scriptures as being over two ages, i.e. a little longer than 2,000 plus years. Sadly, to many people read what is contained in the scriptures as being literal and do not see the metaphorical language and images being written about. Our translators have done us all a disservice in their attempt to contextually translate the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts as it represents their opinions and understandings and not God's.

 

[charity]

Chris, if it is far to complex for you to unravel, then why publish your opinion when you have not unravelled what it is that you publish in your posts.

We all believe that we understand the the word of God and as such create confusion among our readers with the divergent opinions that are expressed.

What we are seeing at present with respect to Israel is the drawing to a conclusion of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers over a period of two days of the Lord which is also expressed in the scriptures as being over two ages, i.e. a little longer than 2,000 plus years. Sadly, to many people read what is contained in the scriptures as being literal and do not see the metaphorical language and images being written about. Our translators have done us all a disservice in their attempt to contextually translate the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts as it represents their opinions and understandings and not God's.

Hello @Jay Ross,

The complexity is not within God's word: it is the multitude of opinions and interpretations in the responses received that I have difficulty unravelling. Man's words, and not God's.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Truth7t7]

@Lambano, @VictoryinJesus, @marks, @Truth7t7, @Jay Ross, @Enoch111, @nenagana, @quietthinker, @Cassandra

Hello there,

Thank you all for contributing to the thread. I am shocked at the divergent nature of the opinions expressed. I will not respond to any, for I believe only the word of God itself can be the arbiter. It is far too complex for me to unravel.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I believe the forums are for debate regarding opinions, with opposition seen in scripture to divergent teachings and belief?

You make a statement of divergent opinions, what opinions?

 

[Truth7t7]

Hello @Jay Ross,

The complexity is not within God's word: it is the multitude of opinions and interpretations in the responses received that I have difficulty unravelling. Man's words, and not God's.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

You mention man's words and not Gods words?

Please post a rebuttal to man's words, where are these words?

 

[charity]

I believe the forums are for debate regarding opinions, with opposition seen in scripture to divergent teachings and belief?
You make a statement of divergent opinions, what opinions?

You mention man's words and not Gods words?
Please post a rebuttal to man's words, where are these words?

Hello @Truth7t7,

I refer to the various differences of understanding expressed within the responses received, including your own.

I will look at the entries again, and see what I can address, but I must admit to finding the prospect daunting.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hello @Truth7t7,

I refer to the various differences of understanding expressed within the responses received, including your own.

I will look at the entries again, and see what I can address, but I must admit to finding the prospect daunting.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I see this was addressed to another member but I hope you don’t mind my responding to what you said here. I understand what you are saying (I think) because I have felt it too. I’ve started threads and then responses come in where the perspectives are different from mine (so many it is overwhelming) and I have such a hard time even responding. It is like I can’t untangle it all to even think of what to say. It is not that I don’t care or want to respond. I just don’t have the words when I’m struggle to make sense of it all. Maybe that doesn’t make sense…but I do understand where you are coming from because like I’ve said, I’ve been there.

 

[charity]

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?
"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

'And I saw an angel come down from heaven,
having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan,
and bound him a thousand years,
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
that he should deceive the nations no more,
till the thousand years should be fulfilled:
and after that he must be loosed a little season.'
(Rev 20:1)

Hello @Truth7t7,

* The events which take place in the visions that John received, take place within the period of time called, 'the day of the Lord,' or ('the Lord's day') (Revelation 1:10). Which has yet to begin.

* The fact that Satan will be bound for 1,000 years is clearly stated in the verse quoted above, and the reason given:- 'that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: ... '

Truth7t7 said:-
The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming
- If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign
- Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?
- Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

* Satan is not presently bound, for the events prior to that happening have not taken place.
* The 1,000 year reign in which the 'overcomers' of the tribulation period have the honour of reigning with Christ, is literal: the description of which is confined to Revelation 20:1-6, verses 1-3 of which are quoted above. Here are verses 4-6:-

'And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
.. and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
.... for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
...... and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
........ neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
.......... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
............ This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
.. on such the second death hath no power,
.... but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
...... and shall reign with him a thousand years.'​

(Revelation 20:4-6)

Truth7t7 said:-
Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

* Satan is not 'loosed' at the end of the tribulation period, but 'bound' prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with Christ. He will be 'loosed' at the end of the 1,000 years.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

I see this was addressed to another member but I hope you don’t mind my responding to what you said here. I understand what you are saying (I think) because I have felt it too. I’ve started threads and then responses come in where the perspectives are different from mine (so many it is overwhelming) and I have such a hard time even responding. It is like I can’t untangle it all to even think of what to say. It is not that I don’t care or want to respond. I just don’t have the words when I’m struggle to make sense of it all. Maybe that doesn’t make sense…but I do understand where you are coming from because like I’ve said, I’ve been there.

Hello @VictoryinJesus,

You have expressed it perfectly, thank you.

As you can see, I am trying to address them now, but how successful I shall be in doing so is another thing.

Thank you for empathising with me
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

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Hello @Truth7t7,

The first of two resurrections are recorded as taking place in Revelation 20:1-6, and those who have part in the first resurrection will 'live again', and reign with Christ for 1,000 years. They are those who are first seen in Revelation 6:10, who cried out to the Lord, 'how long', and here we see that their wait is over and God's promise to them fulfilled.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hello @VictoryinJesus,

You have expressed it perfectly, thank you.

As you can see, I am trying to address them now, but how successful I shall be in doing so is another thing.

Thank you for empathising with me
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Please don’t beat yourself up too much. You gave a clear and well thought out OP, where it goes from there …well that really can’t be controlled. But thank you for your care in what you present to others here for consideration. It is obvious you care very much and are careful. If you knew my daughter and her humor you would think this is funny. Right now I am looking for a job. I haven’t worked outside the home for most of the past thirty years. I’m stressed because of all the overwhelming jobs out there and wondering where do I fit. My daughter told me the other day I can always try a job and if it is not for me; that I can always pull an Ashley. I asked “what is an Ashley”. She said “at lunch time, leave for lunch smiling and waving bye politely…and then don’t go back. Hit the gas and get out of there.” I told my oldest sister and she laughed out loud saying how many times at her work; people leave for lunch and never return. The humor probably is lost in words but the point is …concerning this thread ….you could always leave for lunch smiling and waving politely bye…

 

[charity]

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth
As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)
Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim
(Then Cometh The End)
(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

'Then cometh the end, (when?)
when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;
when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.'
(1 Corinthians 15:24-26)

Hello @Truth7t7,

The end does not come until Christ has fulfilled what is written in verses 24-26. That requires that He reign, and that reign includes the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomer with Him, as promised.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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[charity]

The Antichrist will be present on earth to the "Consummation" or ultimate end, there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth to follow

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, (Revelation 1:16)
and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
Even Him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.'
(2 Thessalonians 2:8-10)

Hello @Truth7t7,

The Scripture (above) shows the end of that wicked one, which takes place when he shall be revealed.

The words, 'until the consummation' (ie.,' unto a full end') in Daniel 27 that you refer to has reference to Isaiah 10:22-23, according to my Bible marginal notes:-

'The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
For though Thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea,
yet a remnant of them shall return:
the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption,
even determined, in the midst of all the land.
(Isaiah 10:21)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think we need to look at them context of daniel 9

Daniel was praying for his people. The holy city of jerusalem and the temple

They were currently being punished according to lev 26 for their sins against God. Daniel was praying on their behalf. Stating he acknowledged the sins of the people. And their fathers. Just as God demanded in lev 26. However. As we all know. Israel never stopped her sin. Her sin prety much continued up until ad 70 when for the first time in her history she was cast completely out of jerusalem and the land.

Making an end of sin speaks of this. Israels sin as a nation against God would come to an end. They would confess their sins the sins of their fathers. And that God was the reason they were in this situation

Lev 26
40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land.

And remember, we have other prophecies that state this will be the case

Here is 1

Ez 37: 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

 

[Waiting on him]

I think we need to look at them context of daniel 9

Daniel was praying for his people. The holy city of jerusalem and the temple

They were currently being punished according to lev 26 for their sins against God. Daniel was praying on their behalf. Stating he acknowledged the sins of the people. And their fathers. Just as God demanded in lev 26. However. As we all know. Israel never stopped her sin. Her sin prety much continued up until ad 70 when for the first time in her history she was cast completely out of jerusalem and the land.

Making an end of sin speaks of this. Israels sin as a nation against God would come to an end. They would confess their sins the sins of their fathers. And that God was the reason they were in this situation

Lev 26
40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land.

And remember, we have other prophecies that state this will be the case

Here is 1

Ez 37: 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

490 years to the day from the decree. This is precisely how many times He forgave His brother.