Daniel 9:24 - '... to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins ...'

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The 70 weeks started when the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was made. That is what the bible says. I don't care what somebody's knee says.:confused:
Too bad about a controversy with biblical material. That is all we have.
 

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That Botched Jesus Restoration Is Massive Tourist Attraction for Small Spanish Town

(that is someone's attempt to describe the "mark of the beast" that coincides with the return of jesus activities)

Parallel Jesus
1997 to 2028 = 31 Years (Turin Shroud of Jesus)
Parallel Jesus 1917 to 1948 = 31 Years (Fatima Jesus Vision)

Parallel Sign 1997 to 1986 = 69 (halley comet)
Parallel Sign 1917 to 1994 = 77 (jupiter strike, by shoemaker)

("70 Weeks" is a double value, you can say in years, 1948 to 1997 (jesus), is 490 or 49 years, and, 1917 (fatima jesus) to 1994) THESE ARE TWO PARALLEL INITIAL ACTIONS SINCE THIS IS A DOUBLE VALUE, TWO INITIAL ACTION MARKER

(we are given double values in daniel's prophecy again, with, the statement of "jerusalem", those double values are generally "32 and 39", or "62 and 69"............"2022 to 2061 = 39 years", where as "2028 to 2060 (jupiter) = 32 years) (based on legal evidences, and daniel's prophecy is given in days and years..............everything is going to be resolved soon)

(3500 years ago, and remember, "jesus and joseph" are counted as the same, god said that "moses took joseph's bones", and when the jewish people finally god finished enjoying suicide pleasure with moses, God said, there is no other law then Moses Law for you...............and this suicidal generation with no value with god obtain the body of joseph/moses in its suicide pleasure, God will have no other law, this is the law and the prophets)
 
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This stuff is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out there. There is no rhyme or reason. Good luck with your theory.
 
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I think we need to maybe look at it like this

1. At the end of the 70 weeks. Isreal would have finished her sin. Has she done that? No

2. Many OT prophets speak of a time Israel will repent. And be brought back to one nation after she has “finished her sin” Has this happened? No

3. The middle of the week is the abomination which causes desolation in the holy place. Which jesus said we would se standing. Has this happened yet? No

4. We are told at the end, when the jews repent. Jesus will return.. Has he returned yet? No

So from just these basics facts. Has the 70th week ended yet?
No
 

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70 weeks 490 years. The decree to restore and rebuild 457BC.
How long to Messiah the prince? 69 weeks 483 years AD 27 Jesus is baptized
We have a week left.
After in the middle of the week, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself 31Ad crucified
31/2 more years, the stoning of Stephen 34AD.

1. Do you mean this? "to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." Jesus accomplished all of that with his death.In the middle of the last week, the Messiah will be cut off, but not for Himself. This was Christ's death. 3 1/2 years later, Stephen was stoned at the end of the 70th week, Stephen was stoned 34 ad. That was it. After that , we get Paul , and he ministers to Jews and Gentiles.



2.The NT definition of Jews is found in Gal 3:38,29 " There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."
Romans 2:28-29 28 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Israel is comprised of converted Jews and Gentiles together.

God had a covenant with the Jews, but they, as a nation, never kept their side.

What is the biblical meaning of covenant?
the conditional promises made to humanity by God, as revealed in Scripture. the agreement between God and the ancient Israelites, in which God promised to protect them if they kept His law and were faithful to Him.(I snarfed this from Google.)

Please read Matt 11:33-43." This tells the story.

The Parable of the Tenants

33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit'"



3.A type of the abomination of desolation was accomplished first in 70 AD, when Titus destroyed the city. Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. The Christians were actually able to escape --none of them were killed because they heeded what Jesus had said. There is an antitype to this.

4. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


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70 weeks 490 years. The decree to restore and rebuild 457BC.
How long to Messiah the prince? 69 weeks 483 years AD 27 Jesus is baptized
We have a week left.
After in the middle of the week, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself 31Ad crucified
31/2 more years, the stoning of Stephen 34AD.
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A few questions..

Where do you get 457 BC from?

Where in the OT did it say Messiah will be introduced by Baptism?

Where does it say in the middle of the last week messiah will be cut off?

What does the stoning of Stephen have to do with this?
 

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70 weeks 490 years. The decree to restore and rebuild 457BC.
How long to Messiah the prince? 69 weeks 483 years AD 27 Jesus is baptized
We have a week left.
After in the middle of the week, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself 31Ad crucified
31/2 more years, the stoning of Stephen 34AD.

1. Do you mean this? "to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." Jesus accomplished all of that with his death.In the middle of the last week, the Messiah will be cut off, but not for Himself. This was Christ's death. 3 1/2 years later, Stephen was stoned at the end of the 70th week, Stephen was stoned 34 ad. That was it. After that , we get Paul , and he ministers to Jews and Gentiles.



2.The NT definition of Jews is found in Gal 3:38,29 " There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."
Romans 2:28-29 28 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Israel is comprised of converted Jews and Gentiles together.

God had a covenant with the Jews, but they, as a nation, never kept their side.

What is the biblical meaning of covenant?
the conditional promises made to humanity by God, as revealed in Scripture. the agreement between God and the ancient Israelites, in which God promised to protect them if they kept His law and were faithful to Him.(I snarfed this from Google.)

Please read Matt 11:33-43." This tells the story.

The Parable of the Tenants

33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit'"



3.A type of the abomination of desolation was accomplished first in 70 AD, when Titus destroyed the city. Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. The Christians were actually able to escape --none of them were killed because they heeded what Jesus had said. There is an antitype to this.

4. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
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Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained "Future"?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

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Daniel 9:24
In the 7 year of Artaxerxes 457 BC, he decreed (Ezra 7:13) that Jerusalem should be rebuilt and restored.49 weeks to rebuild the Temple. and Jerusalem. 62 weeks after that Messiah comes
Daniel 9:25 separates the prophecy as seven weeks and 62 weeks.
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;

Daniel 9:26 ' And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;" 31AD
Daniel 9:27 " And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" Jesus sacrifice was enough--no more sacrifices were necessary.

Why does it have to say that the Messiah will be introduced by baptism But wasn't He? Luke 3:21
"21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased" (27AD)

Mark 1:12-15"
'12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel"

What is He talking about here, with respect to time?


Stephen? Well, he was the first martyr, as you probably know. Acts 7, which has his speech he gave before death, condemns Israel. He takes them all the way through their history. Acts 7:51-55 tells of his last words to them, and they stone him. (34AD) The people who were stoning him lay their coats at whose feet?? Saul-soon to be Paul. who delivers the message to the Gentiles
 
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Daniel 9:24
In the 7 year of Artaxerxes 457 BC, he decreed (Ezra 7:13) that Jerusalem should be rebuilt and restored.

This is wrong The command to restore jerusalem was in the 20th year of king artexerxes. (Neh 2) (444 Bc)

The commands you speak of was only the temple not the city

If it was the city. The commands in neh 2 would have nt been needed
 

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Where do you get 457 BC from?
In 457 BC the definitive decree was given to build and restore Jerusalem.

The day for a year principle of Prophecy is well known. 40 days the spies sought out the land so 40 yrs wandering in the desert, etc etc.
The NCV translation does it for you here below:-

NCV: 25 “Learn and understand these things. A command will come to rebuild Jerusalem. The time from this command until the appointed leader comes will be forty-nine years and four hundred thirty-four years. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and a trench filled with water around it, but it will be built in times of trouble.

26 After the four hundred thirty-four years the appointed leader will be killed; he will have nothing. The people of the leader who is to come will destroy the city and the holy place. The end of the city will come like a flood, and war will continue until the end. God has ordered that place to be completely destroyed. 27 That leader will make firm an

agreement with many people for seven years. He will stop the offerings and sacrifices after three and one-half years. A destroyer will do terrible things until the ordered end comes to the destroyed city.”

Where in the OT did it say Messiah will be introduced by Baptism?
Jesus' baptism was the beginning of his public ministry.

Where does it say in the middle of the last week messiah will be cut off?
Daniel 9:27

What does the stoning of Stephen have to do with this?
The Jews had rejected their Messiah; in the stoning of Stephan they had now rejected his people.....their time as the envoy of God as a Nation, the favoured people had reached its end. Their time had been determined according to the Angel Vs 24 ...in response to Daniel's prayer.
 
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In 457 BC the definitive decree was given to build and restore Jerusalem.
But this is not true. A command to restor the temple was given on this date, not the city. The city was commended to be restored in neh 2. In 444 bc in the 20th year of artexerxes
2 In the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was before him, I took up the wine and gave it to the king. Now I had not been sad in his presence. And the king said to me, “Why is your face sad, seeing you are not sick? This is nothing but sadness of the heart.” Then I was very much afraid. 3 I said to the king, “Let the king live forever! Why should not my face be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers' graves, lies in ruins, and its gates have been destroyed by fire?” 4 Then the king said to me, “What are you requesting?” So I prayed to the God of heaven. 5 And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers' graves, that I may rebuild it.”
. 7 And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, let letters be given me to the governors of the province Beyond the River, that they may let me pass through until I come to Judah, 8 and a letter to Asaph, the keeper of the king's forest, that he may give me timber to make beams for the gates of the fortress of the temple, and for the wall of the city, and for the house that I shall occupy.” And the king granted me what I asked, for the good hand of my God was upon me.

These letters are the command from the king authorizing the rebuilding of the city

The day for a year principle of Prophecy is well known. 40 days the spies sought out the land so 40 yrs wandering in the desert, etc etc.
The NCV translation does it for you here below:-

NCV: 25 “Learn and understand these things. A command will come to rebuild Jerusalem. The time from this command until the appointed leader comes will be forty-nine years and four hundred thirty-four years. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and a trench filled with water around it, but it will be built in times of trouble.

26 After the four hundred thirty-four years the appointed leader will be killed; he will have nothing. The people of the leader who is to come will destroy the city and the holy place. The end of the city will come like a flood, and war will continue until the end. God has ordered that place to be completely destroyed. 27 That leader will make firm an

agreement with many people for seven years. He will stop the offerings and sacrifices after three and one-half years. A destroyer will do terrible things until the ordered end comes to the destroyed city.”
This prety much says after the command to restore (see above) until the leader (messiah) will be 434 years plus 49 years (483) and after 483 years that leader (messiah) will be killed. . Which is true. Messiah was introduced when he rode into the city on a donkey ust as prophesied, Ending the 483 years as prophesied. And a literal week later he was killed (the cross)
And then 40 years later. The people of a future prince would destroy the city and holy place. And it would lie desolate with a flood and wars (plural)

Vs 27 we have that future prince of the people who destroyed the city make a firm covenant with many, and in the middle of the week is where this translation misses the mark. It is an abomination which makes desolate which causes the sacrifices to end. And that same leader after he places that idol in the holy place of the temple, will do some terrible things, until his time is up Which according to Dan 2, 4 Matt 24 and other places is when Jesus returns to put and end to his reign of terror

Jesus' baptism was the beginning of his public ministry.
Again what OT prophecy would lead Israel to believe this was messiah by this act?

The only OT prophecy I see concerning messiah is
Zechariah 9:9
The Coming King
“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowlyand riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.

Daniel 9:27
Dan 9 27 speaks of the prince who is to come putting or setting up and abomination of desolation on the wing of the temple. Not jesus getting killed

Jesus death in vs 26 (“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;)
The wrd cut off here literally means killed. Even the passage you gave above states this messiah or leader will be lied after 483 year, not after 486.5 years.

The Jews had rejected their Messiah; in the stoning of Stephan they had now rejected his people.....their time as the envoy of God as a Nation, the favoured people had reached its end. Their time had been determined according to the Angel Vs 24 ...in response to Daniel's prayer.

Thats not what Dan 9 24 says though, It says that at the end of 70 weeks. These things will happen. Israel never repented. Prophecy is not completed. The city is in ruins none of the stuff which was supposed to happen at the end of 70 weeks have occurred.

Plus the timeline of off

even jesus said, If only you knew the time of his coming..but now it has been hidden from your, this was before his death.
 
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In 457 BC, a decree was granted to Ezra by the Persian emperor Artaxerxes Longimanus to go up to Jerusalem with as many of his people as were minded to go with him. The commission granted him an unlimited amount of treasure, to beautify the house of God, to procure offerings for its service, and to whatever else might seem good to him. It empowered him to ordain laws, set magistrates and judges, and execute punishment even unto death; in other words, to restore the Jewish state, civil, and ecclesiastical, according to the law of God and the ancient customs of that people. Inspiration has seen fit to preserve this decree; and a full an accurate copy of it is given in Ezra 7. This decree is recorded not in Hebrew, like the rest of the book of Ezra, but in the official Chaldaic, or Eastern Aramaic. Thus we are referred to the original document by virtue of which Ezra was authorized to restore and build Jerusalem.

Our starting point then is 457 BC Forty-nine years are allotted to the building of the city and the wall. On this point, Prideaux says: "In the fifteenth year of Darius Nothus ended the first seven weeks of the seventy weeks of Daniel's prophecy. For then the restoration of the church and state of the Jews in Jerusalem and Judea was fully finished, in that last act of reformation, which is recorded in the thirteenth chapter of Nehemiah, from the twenty-third verse to the end of the chapter, just forty-nine years after it had been first begun by Ezra in the seventh year of Artaxerxes Longimanus." This was 408 BC So far we find harmony. Let us apply the measuring rod of the prophecy still further. Sixty-nine weeks, or 483 years, were to extend to Messiah the Prince. Dating from 457 BC, they end in AD 27. What event then occurred? [***] Luke thus informs us: "Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art My beloved Son; in Thee I am well pleased." Luke 3: 21, 22. After this, Jesus came "preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled." Mark 1: 14, 15. The time here mentioned must have been some specific, definite, and predicted period; but no prophetic period can be found terminating then except the sixty-nine weeks of the prophecy of Daniel, which were to extend to Messiah the Prince. The Messiah had now come, and with His own lips He announced the termination of that period which was to be marked by His manifestation.
Here, again, is indisputable harmony. But further, the Messiah was to confirm the covenant with many for one week. This would be the last week of the seventy, or the last seven years of the 490. In the midst of the week, the prophecy informs us, He should cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. These Jewish ordinances, pointing to the death of Christ, could cease only at the cross. There they did virtually come to an end when the veil of the temple was rent at the crucifixion of Christ, though the outward observance was kept up until the destruction of Jerusalem, AD 70. After threescore and two weeks, according to the record, the Messiah was to be cut off. It is the same as if it had read: After threescore and two weeks, in the midst of the seventieth week, shall Messiah be cut off, and cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. Now, as the word midst here means middle, the crucifixion is definitely located in the middle of the seventieth week. Date of the Crucifixion. It now becomes an important point to determine in what year the crucifixion took place. It is not to be questioned that our Savior attended every Passover that occurred during His public ministry, and we have mention of only four such occasions previous to His crucifixion. These are found in the passages: John 2: 13; 5: 1; 6: 4; 13: 1. At the last-mentioned Passover He was crucified. From facts already established, let us then see where this would locate the crucifixion. As He began His ministry in the autumn of AD 27, His Passover would occur the following spring, AD 28; His second, AD 29; His third, AD 30; and His fourth and last, A.D 31. This gives us three years and a half for His public ministry, and corresponds exactly to the prophecy that He would be cut off in the midst, or middle of the seventieth week. As that week of years began in the autumn of AD 27, the middle of the week would occur three and one half years later, in the spring of 31, when the crucifixion took place. Dr. Hales quotes Eusebius, AD 300, as saying: "It is recorded in history that the whole time of our Savior's teaching and working miracles was three years and a half, which is the half of a week [of years]. This, John the evangelist will represent to those who critically attend to his Gospel."

U. Smith
Daniel and Revelation.
 

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In 457 BC, a decree was granted to Ezra by the Persian emperor Artaxerxes Longimanus to go up to Jerusalem with as many of his people as were minded to go with him. The commission granted him an unlimited amount of treasure, to beautify the house of God, to procure offerings for its service, and to whatever else might seem good to him. It empowered him to ordain laws, set magistrates and judges, and execute punishment even unto death; in other words, to restore the Jewish state, civil, and ecclesiastical, according to the law of God and the ancient customs of that people. Inspiration has seen fit to preserve this decree; and a full an accurate copy of it is given in Ezra 7. This decree is recorded not in Hebrew, like the rest of the book of Ezra, but in the official Chaldaic, or Eastern Aramaic. Thus we are referred to the original document by virtue of which Ezra was authorized to restore and build Jerusalem.
This decree only authorized the rebuilding of the jewish temple. It did not authorise the rebuilding of the city.

The authorization did not come until Neh 2, when Artaxerxes gave Nehemiah commands via letters to be granted permission not to only rebuild the temple, but the city wall. and his house within the city

This is the true starting point of the 70 weeks.
 
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The Daniel 9:27 final seven, or "one week", is NOT... yet accomplished today. It is still pending, to occur at the very end of this present world.

As soon as the actual Scripture about the 70 weeks prophecy are spoken of, here comes all the Seventh Day Adventists pushing their ignorant views saying all the 70 weeks were finished with Christ's 1st coming.
 

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The Daniel 9:27 final seven, or "one week", is NOT... yet accomplished today. It is still pending, to occur at the very end of this present world.

As soon as the actual Scripture about the 70 weeks prophecy are spoken of, here comes all the Seventh Day Adventists pushing their ignorant views saying all the 70 weeks were finished with Christ's 1st coming.
they are not the only ones brother. I think this view started with the roman church
 
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They were able to as @Backlit said "n 457 BC, a decree was granted to Ezra by the Persian emperor Artaxerxes Longimanus to go up to Jerusalem with as many of his people as were minded to go with him. The commission granted him an unlimited amount of treasure, to beautify the house of God, to procure offerings for its service, and to whatever else might seem good to him. It empowered him to ordain laws, set magistrates and judges, and execute punishment even unto death; in other words, to restore the Jewish state, civil, and ecclesiastical, according to the law of God and the ancient customs of that people.'

457 rebuild and restore
+69 weeks=27AD Christs baptism
31/2 years later midst of the week 31AD crucifixion
31/2 years later stoning of Stephen-conversion of Paul, gospel to the Gentiles.

It is an amazing prophecy. the numbers match up.
Where is your timeline?
 

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They were able to as @Backlit said "n 457 BC, a decree was granted to Ezra by the Persian emperor Artaxerxes Longimanus to go up to Jerusalem with as many of his people as were minded to go with him. The commission granted him an unlimited amount of treasure, to beautify the house of God, to procure offerings for its service, and to whatever else might seem good to him. It empowered him to ordain laws, set magistrates and judges, and execute punishment even unto death; in other words, to restore the Jewish state, civil, and ecclesiastical, according to the law of God and the ancient customs of that people.'

457 rebuild and restore
+69 weeks=27AD Christs baptism
31/2 years later midst of the week 31AD crucifixion
31/2 years later stoning of Stephen-conversion of Paul, gospel to the Gentiles.

It is an amazing prophecy. the numbers match up.
Where is your timeline?
Not sure why you keep ignoring me. Maybe you really do not want to discuss? for whatever reason.

once again

Ezra was given the command to restore the temple

Daniel was told from the command to restore the CITY

City and temple are not the same

if you get the starting date wrong. Your going to not be able to understand the end date
 

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Restatement "Daniel 9:24..........the Jewish People and Jerusalem were, dissolved (no value) as a Picture of the Messiah"

ZECHARIAH 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?
*Jesus = 30 (Luke 3:23)
*Jesus = 40 (John 2:20)
Daniel 9:2
says Jesus would accomplish 70 Years in the Desolations of Jerusalem (it would have NO VALUE), as a Picture of the Messiah (this does not say Jesus would have a "Kingship", or a reign, but only their conviction and sin, suicide pleasure)

This is a Legal Statement, and the Gospel gives the statement about 30 years and 40 years for 70 years total.................this was achieved, meaning (IN REALITY), this isn't really a prophecy, God performed this action through the Crucifixion of Jesus, (its not 70 linear years, which is to say, apart of jesus's livespan was attributed to joseph or his testimony, that doubling completed the measurement, which was finished, and NO explicit identification with the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D., jerusalem and the jewish people didn't me anything much by that time).

(When God numbered 70 Years, it was to declare the Jewish People and Jerusalem would die to identify with the MESSIAH................FOR THIS REASON.............when God number 490 Years..............Acts 13:20-22..............it surrounded the, dissolving (destruction) of Jerusalem also) (the statement of 490 years or 70 years in relation to Daniel 9:2, do not deal with a blessing, a kingship, or an annointing for the jews, the are cast out and killed)

(Because God numbered 70 years and 490 years for Daniel 9:24, it cannot be re-assigned, its not a prophecy that is not completed, it was already fulfilled)
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(jewish people are not the people of god, and jerusalem is not the place of god..............it maybe attached to an earth energy grid argument.............but the statements about a blessing from god is "suicide pleasure only" it has no value) (Daniel 9:24, will be resolved when there is mass death, there will be no more controversy) (BACK TO TOPIC)
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God Gave an Answer, then, Another Answer is Unacceptable and Invalid!? "Messiah the Prince"

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Daniel 9:24 = Finished (jews and jerusalem cast down)
Daniel 9:25 = Not Finished/Midst of the Week = Ezekiel 4:7-9 (jerusalem is cast down)
Daniel 9:26 = Not Finished/Mist of the Week = Ezekiel 4:5-6 (jerusalem is cast down)
Daniel 9:27 = Finished (jews only cast down, independance of jerusalem to turin shroud of jerusalem 49 years/Zechariah 14)

(God gives us two measurements, the two sides of Daniel 9:25 and Daniel 9:26 in Ezekiel 4:5-9..............and the jews and jerusalem are described as being cast down that is no big surprise)

The Legal Answer, is that, Jesus ascends when the Two Witnesses Ascend, that is one measurement, that impacts.............when God impacts earth that is the second measurement.................Daniel 9:25 and 9:26 involve the son of man or the earth..............where as Daniel 9:24 and Daniel 9:27, DO NOT, NOT, involve the son of man or the earth. (IN THE NEW TESTAMENT)

(humanity is deceased with halley's comet, 39 years from that is 2022 A.D. the 40th year of the son of man, that is a revolving theme, then 2300 days later, that is the only "seven year measurement" (we cann't add to the gospel and say some other figure is), and that marks the final 32/33 years of King David's Reign when he is the "Lion of Judah in Rev. 5:5") (so don't expect an earthly reign, that dead flesh issue is humanities responsibility, and many people may die but not enough, and humanity may die foolishly and in pain until its death in only a few more years).

(the language of the law is doubled) (Jesus himself independantly satisfies all the language of the law in daniel's prophecy, both past and present..............because that is true, humanity may not see mercy or judgment on behalf of the son of man, more then just a dead body in their suicide pleasure, the son of man is joseph, joseph is apart of the law, and humanities suicide pleasure with the son of man satisfies the law, in god's eyes)

(it maybe more valuable to see humanity die in its pleasure only, this is a "sin offering in god's eyes", if that is not possible or inclined faithfully, then, we'll see if 1 to 2 billion can die to remove the suicide pleasure from humanity in its controversy, so everything will be resolved soon)

Everything is Resolved Soon
 
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They were able to as @Backlit said "n 457 BC, a decree was granted to Ezra by the Persian emperor Artaxerxes Longimanus to go up to Jerusalem with as many of his people as were minded to go with him. The commission granted him an unlimited amount of treasure, to beautify the house of God, to procure offerings for its service, and to whatever else might seem good to him. It empowered him to ordain laws, set magistrates and judges, and execute punishment even unto death; in other words, to restore the Jewish state, civil, and ecclesiastical, according to the law of God and the ancient customs of that people.'

457 rebuild and restore
+69 weeks=27AD Christs baptism
31/2 years later midst of the week 31AD crucifixion
31/2 years later stoning of Stephen-conversion of Paul, gospel to the Gentiles.

It is an amazing prophecy. the numbers match up.
Where is your timeline?

And there it is, the SDA deception about the 70 weeks Daniel prophecy.

The "twentieth year of Artaxerxes" (Nehemiah 2:1) was 454 B.C. (Bishop Lloyd in the 1700s made an error in his work which most go by on that; he put 445 to suit his theory. Bishop Ussher though put the start of Artaxerxes' reign as A.M. 3531, which matches the date 474 B.C. (see Ussher's 17th century The Annals of the World). So the 20th year of Artaxeres' reign would be the year 454 B.C. That is when the first symbolic 'week' of the 70 weeks prophecy began, 454 B.C.

1st Period: from 454 B.C. and was to be 7 weeks (or 49 years). That takes us to 405 B.C. (454 minus 49).

2nd Period:
"threescore and two sevens" and Jesus was to be "cut off" (crucified) at the end of this period - 62 weeks, or 62 times 7 = 434 years. From 405 B.C. to 29 A.D. So 29 A.D. was when Lord Jesus was crucified, ending His Ministry on earth.

3rd Period: the final "one week", or one seven. This was NOT the time during Christ's Ministry.
This final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 is still yet to be accounted for today.