Daniel 9:24 - '... to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins ...'

[Jay Ross]

490 years to the day from the decree. This is precisely how many times He forgave His brother.

Yes, you are right, Jesus confirmed that Israel was given 490 years in which to repent under the terms of His covenantal agreement with the nation of Israel. Each year, the Israelites were required to make a corporate sin offering for the nation of Israel as well as a personal sin offering to God for their own personal sin. God complained that the Israelites came dishonestly before Him to offer up their yearly Sin Sacrifices with their backs towards Him and only their heads turn to see him, in the hope that God would not see what they were doing in front of them and it being hidden from view by their bodies. The end of the 490 years granted to Israel to fully repent of their continual idolatrous worship, coincided with the end of the first two ages of Israel's existence from the time of the birth of Isaac. The start of the third age of their existence coincided with the Birth of Christ at the beginning of the fifth age of mankind.

The second portion of Daniel 9:24 speak of the changes that were to come and ushered in by their Messiah, Christ, when He was crucified on a tree for the sins of the people of the whole earth. It was not the sacrifice of animal yearly that was now needed to receive forgiveness, but our repentance of our sins being gained through the death of God's only Son and our acknowledging that Jesus was the Son of God.

When the premise of the OP is not in line with the Truth that Daniel wrote of, then the thread can only go off the rails from the very beginning with the "would be teachers" flooding the thread with their own understanding.

Hello there,

The final weeks of the seventy weeks of Daniel nine immediately precede the thousand year reign, and carry into that period the blessings indicated in Daniel 9:24 (above), which will characterise the Millennium.

1. The restraining of Satan
2. The restraining of transgression
3. The sealing up of sins
4. The rule of the rod of iron.
5. The willing obedience of Israel.
6. The feigned obedience of many of the nation.

* The first thing to be accomplished when the seventy weeks have accomplished their purpose is, 'to finish (H3607= .'Kala') the transgression' (H6588 =.'Pesha').

* What does this mean? Will transgression be 'finished' in the sense that it is so completely accounted for by Atonement and Forgiveness, that it will never again raise its head? No. For the Hebrew word 'Kala', translated 'finish' here, is also translated as follows:-

Forbid (1), keep (1), keep back (1), refrain (2), retain (1), shut up (4),
withhold (2), be stayed (2), be restrained (2), be stayed (1), and finish (1).
Daniel 9:24, is the only place where it is translated 'finish' in Scripture: and in the marginal notes it is corrected by the words, 'or restrain'. The word is used of the imprisonment of Zedekiah and of Jeremiah, and the noun forms 'kele', and 'beth kele,' translated 'prison'.

* Daniel nine does not teach us that when that prophecy is fulfilled transgression will be 'finished', it will be RESTRAINED or IMPRISONED. This will be also the condition of Satan throughout the Millennial Kingdom, he will be 'bound' for a thousand years, but he will by no means be 'finished'. In like manner, sins will be SEALED UP, as the marginal notes indicate against the reading of 'to make an end (H2856 . 'chatham') of sins'.

And later posted this: -

I am shocked at the divergent nature of the opinions expressed. I will not respond to any, for I believe only the word of God itself can be the arbiter. It is far too complex for me to unravel.

The thing about telling untruths, they need to be also wrapped around truthful gems such that they do not get in the way of the "would be teacher's" opinion that conveyed their misguided message.

Shalom

 

[nenagana]

Daniel 9:24 - '... to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins ...'

(The Law is Doubled, most if not all of the time)
(Jesus Fulfilled all of Daniel's Prophecy)
(Joseph also Fulfilles all of Daniel's Prophecy)

1. 430 Years to "Joseph and the Golden Calf, a Picture of the Messiah"
(exodus 12:40, recounting the written law (joseph's introduction)
2. 490 Years to "Joseph and the Donkey, Jesus Rode into Jerusalem"
(acts 13:20-21, recounting the fall of the temple)
3. "Jesus and Joseph, luke 3:23, "joseph took the body of jesus (to tomb)"
4. "Moses and Joseph, exodus 13:19, "Moses took Joseph's Bones"

The Legal Answer is that Jesus (CRUCIFIXION) did fulfill all the language of Daniel's Prophecy
(and the law is doubled so that, joseph/jesus/new spirit, also fulfills all the language of daniel's prophecy)

Daniel 9:24 = 490 Years Numbered and Finished (Jeremiah 29:10-11, Medes and Persions, question)
Daniel 9:26 = 430 Years Numbered and Finished (Ezekiel 4:5-6) (Hebrews returned to jerusalem with slaves from babylon, ezra/esther without the lord's name in it)
(God told the Jewish People not to Worship the Golden Calf, not to play suicide and pretend that God pays for all sins, or that they could speak for the messiah, and that is what they did playing prostitution when they crossed the jordan river, and god said not to do that, they've been a dead corpse with no value as a people sin then)
(So the law is doubled, humanities suicid* pleasure its, dirth charge, and those genetic lines, have been a dead corpse after crossing the jordan river, and a super dead corpse after returning to jerusalem with slaves from babylon, to execute the baby jesus)
The Law is Doubled, Jesus did finished all the law (CRUCIFIXION), but there are two clauses of Joseph, technically not fulfilled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DANIEL 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
DANIEL 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Long Story Short.............

Daniel 9:27
12/21/2012 + 7 Years to COVID 19 in 2019
12/21/2012 + 49 years (Jubilee) to Halley's Comet 2061 Humanities Euthanasia

Daniel 9:25
(39 years from Halley's Comet is 40 years from the "Jupiter Strike 1982", Moses took Joseph's Bones and Lived for 40 Years, but not as a living person, and Jesus took Joseph's Bones and lived for 40 Years..........in the new Testament the son of man, viewing the apostle paul's statements, their 40th year is significant, and there is a lot of information, that is curtailed or deleted, but all controversies resolved soon in 2022 A.D.)
2022 A.D. + 2300 Days of Daniel = 2028 A.D. (33 years for King David from Halley's Comet)

2060 Issac Newton Prophecy (Jupiter Conjunction) - 32 Years = 2028 - 2300 Days of Daniel = 2022 A.D.

(The Legal Reason for these two separate dates or the emphasis on Planet Jupiter is because, the law is doubled with jesus and with Joseph (god illustrating his willingness to afford equal potential or to remove the controversy of dead flesh)

(The Legal Reason we used "1260+1260" to Mark Covid 19 or Seven Years, but 2300 Days to mark seven years from the Son of Man 's resolution to "lion of judah", to the Messiah the Prince resolution, (david called lion of judah not jesus in revelation 5:5) (is because God used 1290+1335, already with jesus and it appears these figures are not RECYCLED)

(God sets thing into motion in the controversy of satan's suicide pleasure at the end of time, and God doesn't appear to do a finished work, but the controversy is removed...............God hasn't touched this earth or universe in the issue of the unified field and dead flesh, so, this is an open issue, as well as God restricting his involvement with earth deliberately as apart of the snare for the wicked, and the trial for the faithful)

(Everything that involves Joseph will be resolved soon and is not completely resolved right now, clearly this is the language of the law, Joseph reaches a unified field value, there is a rainbow around jesus the messiah and he rises a second time from jerusalem according to the prophecy of zechariah, not jesus specifically, but attributed to joseph)

(thousands of years ago, and today, the planets have been given more value for the simple reason of accuracy but also to denote the human dirth isssue of no unified field in lieu of an action from god or from god doing less of an action)

(because God said "Moses took Joseph's Bones"...........that transition is denoted when Jesus pours out the new spirit the "messiah the prince" or the "prince of power of the air", therefore we can say that is a division in the measurement and why God says seven years, and then threescore and two years, the son of man in a seven year marker to the earth's field, this may be progressive like covid19 and may take a few years/months to fully develop)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Concerning the topic: how does one (any) the remnant, the redeemed of the Lord (any), those the Lord has redeemed from the hand of the enemy; how do they (any) return to the mighty God? Is there more than one way in ‘I’ve shown you the way’ ‘I am the way”? Consider Peter in And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: [32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. Luke 22:31-32

‘and when you are converted’ …converted there is ‘when you return’. ‘when you return’ is not an end but an beginning, because there is more that comes afterwards in “when you return” …when you return unto the Mighty God…strengthen your brothers.

so my question is how does ‘the remnant shall return’ become …their travel, their destination is proposed as being something other than ‘they shall return to the mighty God’? Which unless I’ve misunderstood is ‘you must be born again’ an remnant shall return (unto God) and ‘be converted’? As Jesus Christ said “none can come, (return, be reconciled) TO the Father (the mighty God) but through Me?
Isaiah 10:20-21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped (I will put no more on you then you can bear, but with it will provide an escape) of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. [21] The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.


Consider when He said “I will put no more on you than you can bear, but with the temptation will also provide an way of escape”

is that way of escape ‘that you will be able to bear’ to stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth’? In shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.

Consider with what Jesus Christ said to Peter that satan wants to have you to sift you as wheat …temptation? ‘I pray your faith fails not’ yet when you are converted ‘stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth’ …strengthen your brethren, in the staying upon whom in truth?

 

[nenagana]

(Christanity is a weak religion when it comes to martyrdom, the major issue humanity has with god is "suicide pleasure and dead flesh", and Christianity is good at expounding on that and nullifying that argument for the faithful)

(Humanity will die along with Christianity in Particular, believing the Messiah will Return, and that is their battering ram for "suicide pleasure", providing excuse after excuse for sin and enjoying more and more sin............this is a "sin offering for god" and when humanity is deceased, god would of already saved many out of this cesspool and for many generations)

Concerning the topic: how does one (any) the remnant, the redeemed of the Lord (any), those the Lord has redeemed from the hand of the enemy; how do they (any) return to the mighty God? Is there more than one way in ‘I’ve shown you the way’ ‘I am the way”? Consider Peter in And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: [32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. Luke 22:31-32

‘and when you are converted’ …converted there is ‘when you return’. ‘when you return’ is not an end but an beginning, because there is more that comes afterwards in “when you return” …when you return unto the Mighty God…strengthen your brothers.

so my question is how does ‘the remnant shall return’ become …their travel, their destination is proposed as being something other than ‘they shall return to the mighty God’? Which unless I’ve misunderstood is ‘you must be born again’ an remnant shall return (unto God) and ‘be converted’? As Jesus Christ said “none can come, (return, be reconciled) TO the Father (the mighty God) but through Me?
Isaiah 10:20-21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped (I will put no more on you then you can bear, but with it will provide an escape) of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. [21] The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.


Consider when He said “I will put no more on you than you can bear, but with the temptation will also provide an way of escape”

is that way of escape ‘that you will be able to bear’ to stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth’? In shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.

Consider with what Jesus Christ said to Peter that satan wants to have you to sift you as wheat …temptation? ‘I pray your faith fails not’ yet when you are converted ‘stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth’ …strengthen your brethren, in the staying upon whom in truth?

The Question you have is about Martyrdom

LUKE 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired [to have] you, that he may sift [you] as wheat:
LUKE 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

(God allowed what constitutes souls in the gospel's program with some applicability for the "new covenant" that goes to the new universe, when this program is completes under the constitutes of this gospel's program..............and God has allow souls in the gospel's program with no applicability for the "new covenant", this is god's will)

A Good Portion of Mankind is Born with no Future that is God's will, and this is a trial of faith for mankind in general, in their emnity with God and his Law to afford Equal Potential, but more importantly this is for the faithful from generation to generation because God views them dead or alive as a promised group of people

Secondary Question About Martyrdom

(Simplified)
1. Spirituality
2. Consciousness/Free Will
3. Flesh and Blood

A Good Portion of People are created with no Applicablity to the Messiah Jesus in what he represents for the "new covenant", this is not an area prayer or faith can circumvent...........spirituality is an area with very little impact or input in the gospel's law from those being judged.

God does, "spiritual renewal", and this is largely a mystery, that means for many people, they have to, willfully perform acts of wickedness and in cursing god and man, and angels and etc, their whole lives to pull against this relationship, and then they are worthless for the "new covenant"..............but otherwise.............God's judgment is holy, and although many people have no future, and no applicability to the messiah jesus, they live and they die, and what they do or pray or worship, and even their faith means very little, but its attributed to god's glory and his cyclical activities that may be used later on, just not principally in this gospel's program.

Some people but not many have found favor with god, the most god will die is allow them to die before they would of died in a timely manner............that is also a testimony of god's faith, or god will allow them to die as a snare as a testimony of his faith.

Refering to your statement about the Apostle Peter, a minority or a je*, to them at least, they largely only have value in "flesh and blood", its the smallest argument, and sometimes that means, concerning testimony or god's purposes for that individual, God will send an angel both to use euthanasia, to drive them away, they may even kill themselves their families or communities like you would observe with the son of man, and in a larger scale many people would die continually, cyclically that is the nature of satan's suicide pleasure rather then worship god.

Then God talks about weather you are dead or living, that Jesus would be sent to you, and you would also restore those like you in the faith, because God has not created the gospel's program for a controversy with satan's suicide pleasure or his dead flesh controversy (in the body or outside of the body, or as is with testimony or with the process of faith), but weather mankind is judged may mean nothing with god, but weather or not the faithful are judged that is important with god or more important with god.

(a minority or a je*, will first and foremost seek to kill the body, both because they have no purposes with the messiah, and also because the process of faith is of little value to them dead or living, they are classified as generally 1/8 of a person............but mankind in grevious sin, cursing god and in suicide pleasure, is the same..............but spiritually there is still a big difference) (sometimes these kinds of controversy are usually resolved in god's eyes when considerable numbers of lives are taken like with a natural disaster or with a pandemic..............spiritually speaking.............so this is of little value to satan, but is of good value to the faithful)
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Long Story Short

Many people can die, without every killing another person, sin God judges first and foremost faith, and then the processes of spirituality, and a distant cousin to that is, consciousness and freewill.......THESE ARE NOT THE SAME, BUT DISTANT COUSINS............now the nature of satan with "suicide pleasure and dead flesh" will naturally, attack testimony, and even "flesh and blood", and dead or living, with the body or without the body, God said that Jesus would be sent to the Apostle Peter's Testimony, and those with him would also be blessed knowing the difference in truth and heresy. This statement is attached to "martyrdom" either in testimony or in the body...............(20 to 100000 thousand people die very quickly in a few places between 2013 to 2014, and around that time was a climax in the people's need to use lethal force against me, but, that was already after the fact of the matter.............but God would behave the same in suicide pleasure with the son of man even without a specific god oriented action, based on the gospel's law, which is for faith and testimony, not for suicide pleasure or dead flesh)

(its time now for humanity to die, it has only a few years left, think that 2061 is not a lot of time, but there are still events and possibility things that may happen soon, as soon as next year infact) (its not just, "pain for pain", and "suffering for suffering" (that is by law a natural consequence for emnity with the faithful) that drives satan away, it is more importantly when god cuts satan spiritually, that satan would take its lives in suicide more, and be less capable of anything more)
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Long Story Short

Being Faithful for some, over time, exerts more of a pull, that based on several factors, a flesh and blood body (which is naturally opposed), or also, humanities dirth charge (nullifying charge) (which through sin considerable is opposed), or, the spiritual renewal (which is not there for many, so negativity influences).............. that this pull, is considered "the messiah" (which god rectifies for the faithful), so that is an awareness, that perhaps does not largely happen today, but that said, the walk of faith is like an instrument or a body of gravity that came be more appealing to the faithful.

 

[Davy]

'Seventy weeks are determined upon Thy people
and upon thy holy city,
.. to finish the transgression, (H6588)
.... and to make an end (H2856) of sins,
...... and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
........ and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
.......... and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
............ and to anoint the most Holy.'
(Dan 9:24)
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Understanding how "to finish the transgression" "and to make an end of sins" is easy to figure.

That 70 weeks prophecy was given to Daniel's people and to Jerusalem, NOT about The Church.

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

So that MUST be applied to Jerusalem and those living in Jerusalem, the Jews, Daniel's people.

The proper questions to ask then are:
1. have the Jews in Jerusalem repented to Jesus Christ and believe on Him as Messiah? Not the majority. Some yes, but certainly not the majority there. Thus their "transgression" is NOT yet finished today.

2. has an end of sins come for those Jews in Jerusalem? again no, not with the majority there who still reject Jesus Christ as The Messiah.

3. has reconciliation for iniquity been made for them yet? No, as they still must accept Jesus Christ to wipe away their iniquity.

4. everlasting righteousness has not happened yet there for the Jews in Jerusalem, not as long as they still reject Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah.

5. thus the prophecy is definitely NOT sealed up yet today.

6. the anointing of the most Holy, is about Christ's future Millennial temple of Ezekiel 40 through 47. It is written in Zechariah that Jesus is Who will build it, not man during this present world (Jesus is 'The BRANCH').

 

[nenagana]

So that MUST be applied to Jerusalem and those living in Jerusalem, the Jews, Daniel's people.

The proper questions to ask then are:
1. have the Jews in Jerusalem repented to Jesus Christ and believe on Him as Messiah? Not the majority. Some yes, but certainly not the majority there. Thus their "transgression" is NOT yet finished today.

2. has an end of sins come for those Jews in Jerusalem? again no, not with the majority there who still reject Jesus Christ as The Messiah.

3. has reconciliation for iniquity been made for them yet? No, as they still must accept Jesus Christ to wipe away their iniquity.

4. everlasting righteousness has not happened yet there for the Jews in Jerusalem, not as long as they still reject Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah.

5. thus the prophecy is definitely NOT sealed up yet today.

6. the anointing of the most Holy, is about Christ's future Millennial temple of Ezekiel 40 through 47. It is written in Zechariah that Jesus is Who will build it, not man during this present world (Jesus is 'The BRANCH').

(Your Adding to the Bible, the only Statement within Daniel 9's Prophecy, that says Jerusalem is Daniel 9:25)
(humanity will die dumb and blind, in its own pleasure, and god saves out of this cesspool the faithful.......this is a sin offering)
(the actions God takes, in a controversy of suicide pleasure with satan, are important, but amount to nothing, at a climax considering the timetable there is still the question of "rabies" and "field activity") (think about how completely worthless to humanity those lives lost in the pandemic are, in satan's eyes, but think also how the question of minorities, has been increased to a religion in all nations..........this pleasure increases and becomes more sickly, this is a standard)

DANIEL 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Carl Johan Calleman 10/28/2011 (Mayan Prophecy) + 490 Days or 70 Weeks = 3/8/2014 Missing Flight 370
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10/28/2011 - Bible Verse
EZEKIEL 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
JEREMIAH 52:1 Zedekiah [was] one and twenty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Hamutal the daughter of Jeremiah of Libnah.
JEREMIAH 52:2 And he did [that which was] evil in the eyes of the LORD, according to all that Jehoiakim had done.
JEREMIAH 52:3 For through the anger of the LORD it came to pass in Jerusalem and Judah, till he had cast them out from his presence, that Zedekiah rebelled against the king of Babylon.
JEREMIAH 52:4 And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth [day] of the month, [that] Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came, he and all his army, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it, and built forts against it round about.
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God will take Joseph.........King David Takes the Title of "Lion of Judah in Revelation 5:5"............then for sin, Jerusalem is Overtaken in Sin (Zechariah 14).
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The Measurement is 70 Weeks, or 490 Days............Jerusalem isn't stated, but God sets things into motion...........if you don't want to view a year argument............there is no controversy with a sign or a vision (or a prophecy, from god).
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(This is the only Statement about Jerusalem, if you don't want to ADD to the Bible)
DANIEL 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

(Reply) (Messiah the Prince and Declaration of Independance.........Jesus is the Center of both Measurements)

Fatima Prophecy 1917 (Jesus Vision) + 32 Years = Independance of Isreal 1949
Turin Shroud of Jesus (Jesus Vision) 1997 - 49 Years (Seven Weeks) = Independance of Isreal 1948
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Daniel's Propecies do not Explicitely deal with Jerusalem, there's no Point of Reference to them, those people have no value their lives have no value, and their land has no value, satan will die blind and dumb, like with Covid19, with RABIES if that is true, satan will conceal that for pleasure, say it originate somewhere, have a fight for jerusalem and those lost lives will again mean nothing
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DANIEL 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

(Reply) (Daniel 9:25)

God Says

"Three Score and Two Weeks" (DOUBLED, with Joseph)
"32 Years for Jesus Specifically, that is from Jesus Vision, Fatima 1917 to Jerusalem Independance"
"32 Years for Joseph, Planet Jupiter 2060 Issac Newton NOT EARTH, to 2028 A.D. for EARTH (or 33 years for David's Reign in Jerusalem, recorded in the gospel, from humanities death in 2061 halley comet, to 2028 A.D.
Total "62 Years"

Everything will be Resolved Soon (perhaps beginning next year)
(only when they die in mass, that is the people in jerusalem die in mass, but the argument is a little greater then that, if jerusalem is a special place with "field activity", it will mean a continual blood bath, as much as those unclean people desire to shut down the field, its not possible during god's ordained cyclical periods, they will die in mass, in a blood bath for many years)

(Reply)

Jesus specifically completes all the statements of daniel, and they are doubled with joseph that is a picture of jesus's new spirit which is the new covenant for the new universe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Understanding how "to finish the transgression" "and to make an end of sins" is easy to figure.

That 70 weeks prophecy was given to Daniel's people and to Jerusalem, NOT about The Church.

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

So that MUST be applied to Jerusalem and those living in Jerusalem, the Jews, Daniel's people.

The proper questions to ask then are:
1. have the Jews in Jerusalem repented to Jesus Christ and believe on Him as Messiah? Not the majority. Some yes, but certainly not the majority there. Thus their "transgression" is NOT yet finished today.

2. has an end of sins come for those Jews in Jerusalem? again no, not with the majority there who still reject Jesus Christ as The Messiah.

3. has reconciliation for iniquity been made for them yet? No, as they still must accept Jesus Christ to wipe away their iniquity.

4. everlasting righteousness has not happened yet there for the Jews in Jerusalem, not as long as they still reject Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah.

5. thus the prophecy is definitely NOT sealed up yet today.

6. the anointing of the most Holy, is about Christ's future Millennial temple of Ezekiel 40 through 47. It is written in Zechariah that Jesus is Who will build it, not man during this present world (Jesus is 'The BRANCH').

Amen.

When we take daniel 9 out of context. We fail to grasp its purpose and its meaning

 

[Eternally Grateful]

(Your Adding to the Bible, the only Statement within Daniel 9's Prophecy, that says Jerusalem is Daniel 9:25)
(humanity will die dumb and blind, in its own pleasure, and god saves out of this cesspool the faithful.......this is a sin offering)
(the actions God takes, in a controversy of suicide pleasure with satan, are important, but amount to nothing, at a climax considering the timetable there is still the question of "rabies" and "field activity") (think about how completely worthless to humanity those lives lost in the pandemic are, in satan's eyes, but think also how the question of minorities, has been increased to a religion in all nations..........this pleasure increases and becomes more sickly, this is a standard)

DANIEL 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Carl Johan Calleman 10/28/2011 (Mayan Prophecy) + 490 Days or 70 Weeks = 3/8/2014 Missing Flight 370
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10/28/2011 - Bible Verse
EZEKIEL 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
JEREMIAH 52:1 Zedekiah [was] one and twenty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Hamutal the daughter of Jeremiah of Libnah.
JEREMIAH 52:2 And he did [that which was] evil in the eyes of the LORD, according to all that Jehoiakim had done.
JEREMIAH 52:3 For through the anger of the LORD it came to pass in Jerusalem and Judah, till he had cast them out from his presence, that Zedekiah rebelled against the king of Babylon.
JEREMIAH 52:4 And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth [day] of the month, [that] Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came, he and all his army, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it, and built forts against it round about.
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God will take Joseph.........King David Takes the Title of "Lion of Judah in Revelation 5:5"............then for sin, Jerusalem is Overtaken in Sin (Zechariah 14).
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The Measurement is 70 Weeks, or 490 Days............Jerusalem isn't stated, but God sets things into motion...........if you don't want to view a year argument............there is no controversy with a sign or a vision (or a prophecy, from god).
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(This is the only Statement about Jerusalem, if you don't want to ADD to the Bible)
DANIEL 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

(Reply) (Messiah the Prince and Declaration of Independance.........Jesus is the Center of both Measurements)

Fatima Prophecy 1917 (Jesus Vision) + 32 Years = Independance of Isreal 1949
Turin Shroud of Jesus (Jesus Vision) 1997 - 49 Years (Seven Weeks) = Independance of Isreal 1948
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Daniel's Propecies do not Explicitely deal with Jerusalem, there's no Point of Reference to them, those people have no value their lives have no value, and their land has no value, satan will die blind and dumb, like with Covid19, with RABIES if that is true, satan will conceal that for pleasure, say it originate somewhere, have a fight for jerusalem and those lost lives will again mean nothing
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DANIEL 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

(Reply) (Daniel 9:25)

God Says

"Three Score and Two Weeks" (DOUBLED, with Joseph)
"32 Years for Jesus Specifically, that is from Jesus Vision, Fatima 1917 to Jerusalem Independance"
"32 Years for Joseph, Planet Jupiter 2060 Issac Newton NOT EARTH, to 2028 A.D. for EARTH (or 33 years for David's Reign in Jerusalem, recorded in the gospel, from humanities death in 2061 halley comet, to 2028 A.D.
Total "62 Years"

Everything will be Resolved Soon (perhaps beginning next year)
(only when they die in mass, that is the people in jerusalem die in mass, but the argument is a little greater then that, if jerusalem is a special place with "field activity", it will mean a continual blood bath, as much as those unclean people desire to shut down the field, its not possible during god's ordained cyclical periods, they will die in mass, in a blood bath for many years)

(Reply)

Jesus specifically completes all the statements of daniel, and they are doubled with joseph that is a picture of jesus's new spirit which is the new covenant for the new universe

Daniel 9 vs 20 - 27 is Gods answer to his prayer in vs 1 - 20 WHich was in reference to Israel (daniels people) who were in sin, the Holy City (jerusalem) and the temple.

11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him. 12 And He has confirmed His words, which He spoke against us and against our judges who judged us, by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such has never been done as what has been done to Jerusalem.

13 “As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us; yet we have not made our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. 14 Therefore the Lord has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the Lord our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice. 15 And now, O Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and made Yourself a name, as it is this day—we have sinned, we have done wickedly!

16 “O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”

This is context of why Gabriel came in the first place. and vs 20-27 is in answer to this request from daniel concerning his people. his holy sity and its sanctuary.

The church has no part in this prophecy.

 

[Davy]

(Your Adding to the Bible, the only Statement within Daniel 9's Prophecy, that says Jerusalem is Daniel 9:25)
(humanity will die dumb and blind, in its own pleasure, and god saves out of this cesspool the faithful.......this is a sin offering)
(the actions God takes, in a controversy of suicide pleasure with satan, are important, but amount to nothing, at a climax considering the timetable there is still the question of "rabies" and "field activity") (think about how completely worthless to humanity those lives lost in the pandemic are, in satan's eyes, but think also how the question of minorities, has been increased to a religion in all nations..........this pleasure increases and becomes more sickly, this is a standard)

And you are telling a FIB, because the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9:24, which I EVEN SHOWED IN MY POST, is only about the Jews and Jerusalem! But here it is again, for hard-heads...

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

Just who are Daniel's people, and Daniel's holy city??? Daniel's people are the JEWS and the holy city there is about JERUSALEM.

Thus the Daniel 70 weeks prophecy is ONLY about the Jews and Jerusalem, NOT CHRIST'S CHURCH.

Since you can't even admit that easy... Daniel 9:24 Scripture, the rest of your post is squat.

 

[nenagana]

And you are telling a FIB, because the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9:24, which I EVEN SHOWED IN MY POST, is only about the Jews and Jerusalem! But here it is again, for hard-heads...

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

Just who are Daniel's people, and Daniel's holy city??? Daniel's people are the JEWS and the holy city there is about JERUSALEM.

Thus the Daniel 70 weeks prophecy is ONLY about the Jews and Jerusalem, NOT CHRIST'S CHURCH.

Since you can't even admit that easy... Daniel 9:24 Scripture, the rest of your post is squat.

*Not Associated to the Jewish People or Jerusalem (Daniel 9:24)
*Jesus Numbered 70 Years, and the Jewish People or Jerusalem was not Counted

Luke 3:23 = 30 Years (Jesus Counted, "Joseph as his Body")
John 2:20-21 = 40 Years (Jesus Counted his body not the Temple)

Daniel 9:24 = 70 Years in the Desolations of Jerusalem = the Jewish People and Jerusalem was specifically NOT COUNTED (70 Years in the Desolations of Jerusalem) (Jesus Counted 70 Years...........However, Moses Took Joseph's Bones for 40 years exodus, and Jesus was counted with Joseph for 30 years............the more correct answer is "70 Years of Joseph")

(when they die in mass (soon), either from an act of god, or out of humanities sin pleasure, or a combination of both, there will be no controversy..............Daniel did not say "jerusalem" in Daniel 9:24..............if it was necessary for Daniel to make the distinction in Daniel 9:25, then the clear reason is, that the Jewish People and Jerusalem are not tied to "Joseph" they are removed as a genetic line/tribe from the book of revelation:::these are the removed genetic line tribes in revelation (ephraim, half manasseh, dan, aaron)
("son of man", either risen or fallen angel, is not "joseph", neither a people or a place in entirety, "Joseph" is another description of the messiah jesus, however in the new testament, the sons of man are under joseph, as a picture of a memorial/or as a picture of a completed covenant)
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(Jesus counted Joseph for 70 years, but that total figure in those passages is 76 Years, the same as Halley's Comet general orbit, and humanity should be deceased in 2061 A.D. at Halley's Comet's Final Passage)

(Statement)
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(Statement about the Ark of the Covenant and Daniel)

When the Ark of the Covenant was being Built, God corrected it a few times:
1. "Purple, Blue, and Gold" (with Aaron and the Priesthood)
2. "Blue and Gold" (for the Old Testament Emphasis with God)
3. "Scarlet and Gold" (for the New Testament Emphasis with God/Jesus)

DANIEL 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Luke 3:23 = "Threescore with Messiah and Crucifixion"
Daniel 5:29-31 = "Threescore and Two" (Scarlet and Gold), this is when God removes Jesus or raises him a second time (zechariah 14), and pours out the New Spirit Joseph

Issac Newton Prophecy's for Planet Jupiter (stated in the bible) 2060, to the year 2028 A.D. (which is the duration for the NEW SPIRIT, of 32 years)

We are not ADDING TO THE BIBLE, God himself uses the figure of "threescore" to indicate a double value, this statment is not provided in Daniel 9:24, with Daniel 9:24 there is only one value (RIGHT NOW, the correct answer is Halley's Comet to mark HUMANITIES DEATH............and Planet Jupiter to mark, the NEW SPIRIT/JOSEPH) (anything more then that we will have to wait and see)

(The Son of Man is not "joseph entirely", so we a 40 year argument for that person's lifespan, or 39 years from halley's comet when 2300 days takes place and the messiah the prince begins his ascend out of (jerusalem) the earth for the new spirit, that is 2022 A.D. to 2028 A.D.)

(Daniel 9:25 this talks about Jerusalem and you are provided a "double value", with the use of the word score, IF Daniel 9:26 = JESUS AND JOSEPH, THEN Daniel 9:25 = "MOSES AND JOSEPH", or the son of man and joseph.................so that means, 39 years of Joseph which is my 40th birthday, and that means to mark (2300 Days or Seven Years one week), the 32 Years of Jesus New Spirit Joseph the Blessings)

(Everything will be Resolved Soon, as soon as Next Year)
(we will begin with god's mercies, but it will not be very profitable because of man's suicide pleasure until they die in mass, so nothing much will likely be done) (thats not to say that 1 to 2 billion will not die and resolve that controversy more, but this is to say things are reaching a natural climax)

 

[Truman]

Perhaps we should consider this:
"3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." - Ephesians 4:3-6

 

[Cassandra]

The final week has come and gone. From God's perspective in Jesus he has finished the transgression and made an end to sins. Romans 5:12-21 is clear. Paul here has repeated himself half a dozen times to make this point. In Adam all were lost, in Jesus all have been reconciled ie, the whole world...read it! The fact that the whole world does not want reconciliation is not God's issue.

To seperate the last week of the 70 week prophecy to make it appear as if it were meant for some time future is poor theology. It is an attempt to throw a spanner in the works and to fog up that which is clear.

'In the midst of the week the Messiah will be cut off' referring to the last week. The beginning of Jesus ministry to when the message of the Gospel went to the Gentiles is 7 years (1 week) In the midst of that week (3.5 yrs) Jesus was crucified (cut off) When the Jews finally rejected the those who brought the message of the Gospel to the world (the stoning of Stephan) a further 3.5 yrs from the crucifixion the time determined for National Israel as the special envoy of God was terminated. Its mantel fell on all who believed.

 

[nenagana]

View attachment 18353

(Statement, Delay)
(Statement)

(There was 26 Months from Spaceship Oumuamua in 2017 to Space Ship Borisov in 2019, roughly speaking) (the unmarked point on the cross to the left is likely this figure, but its not important) (it would be 1335 Days from Missing Flight 370 to Spaceship Oumuamua in 2017)

These are Figure God uses DOUBLED, (with daniel's prophecy it is the year figures of 39 and 32 that are doubled (THREE SCORE)..............AND THIS "threescore" can be called 30 years, and that is how this ties into (2017 by a difference)..............the clean and simple answer is that:::::::::::::

(God uses Planet Jupiter and Planet Earth.............1290+1335 or this 7 year measurement is not a reference to Planet Earth, and therefore an argument can be completed, primary argument, without direct emphasis of this figure)

Therefore

1335 Days before Space Ship Oumuamua was Flight 370
1290 Days after Space Ship Borisov should resolve 2022 A.D. and the Son of Man on Planet Jupiter

This is a 2300 Day of Daniel Marker (rather it is better to say that, god did not provide the other figures with a seven year declaration, and these are gapped figures, but this is a controversy that will be resolved soon)

1290 is One Gap Figure or 26 Months WHEN THE (the figure of 1260 starts counting), 26 months to the same count of 1260 days for 1290 days
1335 is Another Gap Figure 26 Months BEFORE the figure of 1260 starts counting.

(Everything Will be Resolved Soon)

(the son of man is 1/3 of the gospel's law, but, the Son of Man is not the entirety of Joseph's value, my 40th year or birthday is maybe not accurate, however)

(however)
(however)

God took action before space ship oumuamua or borisov, and the space agencies did not account fully, even that action.................we understand that my birthday is accurate count from 2019 to 2022 when that measurement was started, we say there is no method to disprove or correct our understanding, but to wait for my 40th birthday

 

[Cassandra]

What in the world are you on about?
Also, maybe you could create your own chart instead of taking one that you don't agree with and making it yours.

 

[quietthinker]

View attachment 18353

thanks Cassandra....I've been trying to find a chart and haven't been able.

 

[quietthinker]

(Statement, Delay)
(Statement)

(There was 26 Months from Spaceship Oumuamua in 2017 to Space Ship Borisov in 2019, roughly speaking) (the unmarked point on the cross to the left is likely this figure, but its not important) (it would be 1335 Days from Missing Flight 370 to Spaceship Oumuamua in 2017)

These are Figure God uses DOUBLED, (with daniel's prophecy it is the year figures of 39 and 32 that are doubled (THREE SCORE)..............AND THIS "threescore" can be called 30 years, and that is how this ties into (2017 by a difference)..............the clean and simple answer is that:::::::::::::

(God uses Planet Jupiter and Planet Earth.............1290+1335 or this 7 year measurement is not a reference to Planet Earth, and therefore an argument can be completed, primary argument, without direct emphasis of this figure)

Therefore

1335 Days before Space Ship Oumuamua was Flight 370
1290 Days after Space Ship Borisov should resolve 2022 A.D. and the Son of Man on Planet Jupiter

This is a 2300 Day of Daniel Marker (rather it is better to say that, god did not provide the other figures with a seven year declaration, and these are gapped figures, but this is a controversy that will be resolved soon)

1290 is One Gap Figure or 26 Months WHEN THE (the figure of 1260 starts counting), 26 months to the same count of 1260 days for 1290 days
1335 is Another Gap Figure 26 Months BEFORE the figure of 1260 starts counting.

(Everything Will be Resolved Soon)

(the son of man is 1/3 of the gospel's law, but, the Son of Man is not the entirety of Joseph's value, my 40th year or birthday is maybe not accurate, however)

(however)
(however)

God took action before space ship oumuamua or borisov, and the space agencies did not account fully, even that action.................we understand that my birthday is accurate count from 2019 to 2022 when that measurement was started, we say there is no method to disprove or correct our understanding, but to wait for my 40th birthday

Nahhh, this doesn't even begin to look right....in fact it I'm certain its BS.....an interpretation plucked out of an imagination which has nothing to do with anything consistent in scripture.

 

[nenagana]

Nahhh, this doesn't even begin to look right....in fact it I'm certain its BS.....an interpretation plucked out of an imagination which has nothing to do with anything consistent in scripture.

(Reply) (Editing)

(Reply) (1335 Days on Planet Jupiter, is Compared to 1290 Days on Planet Jupiter, this is the marker for planet earth................) (God didn't provide "1260" as a seven year figure this is a controversy, that was provided as a GAP figure............so this may not be a literal value) (Everything will be Resolved Soon)

 

[Cassandra]

This was a chart that showed the 70 weeks starting with the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem in 457BC. Has nothing to do with planets. what denomination teaches what you post?

 

[quietthinker]

This was a chart that showed the 70 weeks starting with the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem in 457BC. Has nothing to do with planets. what denomination teaches what you post?

In my view post No. 57 is unworthy of consideration. The poster does not understand the basis of the prophecy nor its objective.

 

[nenagana]

In my view post No. 57 is unworthy of consideration. The poster does not understand the basis of the prophecy nor its objective.

(Halley's Comet Final Cycle or Daniel's 70 Weeks (Dan 9:24)
(Daniels Final Jubilee or Week (Dan 9:27)

(Jesus Christ and the Final Jubilee is Removed first that was Confirmed, ONCE THAT IS CONFIRMED, therefore it must be separated FIRST)

Once Confirmed, then 70 Weeks are Determined to Make an End of Sins, and to annoint the most holy

(70 Weeks of Years, is Legal Conclusion, but not the most accurate)

(Jesus and the (Turin Shroud) Independance of Jerusalem is One Legal Marker)
(Jesus and his Rising or Fatima's Prophecy is One Legal Marker)

There is a controversy regarding the accuracy of biblical material, and the value of planet earth with prophecy, and involving another planet (s), and the value of "ensign of nations according to Isaiah", with emphasis on planet. (This will be resolved when they die in mass, and this is also a global argument, now the "son of man", should not be present in theology with a "year measurement" is debatable, but everything will be resolved soon).