Daniel 9:27 the covenant to be confirmed

[DavidTaylor]

Yes, but the covenant in Christ does not have a 7 year stipulation to it. The Mt. Sinai covenant does. Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Sure it does, Daniel said the covenant would span 70 weeks of sevens, during the midst of the final 70th week (after the first 69 weeks) after Messiah the prince was cut off, the period would be accomplished. Sacrifice and oblation was ended when He said It is Finished, and the veil of the temple was ripped in two. At that point, the 70 year prophecy and the items Daniel mentioned in 9:24 were fulfilled for Daniel’s people.

Daniel’s people await no other signs, except the return of Christ their redeemer from heaven.

“The moon will be dismayed, the sun ashamed; for the Lord Almighty will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before its elders—with great glory! Lord, you are my God; I will exalt you and praise your name,
for in perfect faithfulness you have done wonderful things, things planned long ago. On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people’s disgrace from all the earth. The Lord has spoken. In that day they will say, Surely this is our God; we trusted in him, and he saved us. This is the Lord, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.” Isaiah 24-25

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Actually no. The only "little horn" that is ever prophesied about in Daniel, is that of Antiochus Epiphanes, which rose to power out of one of the "four heads" (the Seleucid kingdom of Greece, in the latter time of that 3rd beast).

Antiochus IV Epiphanes - Wikipedia

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As a fulfilled prophecy of his reign in 175BC-164BC., Jesus used that destruction of the temple/sanctuary in "typology", to point to Himself, as being what the Jews were going to do to "the Temple of His body".
KJV John 2:18-22
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What SIGN shewest thou unto US, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy [desolate] this temple [of Himself], and in three days I will raise it up [Restore it].
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

You can read all about the history of Antiochus Epiphanes (the desolator) and Judas Maccabeus (the Restorer), in the Jewish historical record of 1&2 Maccabees.

Antiochus was a type of the antichrist and the little horn of Daniel 7 but is not the 11th horn.

 

[Earburner]

Antiochus is not the little horn person. The little horn person is time of the end. And will be broken by Jesus.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Sorry to see that the Premil doctrine has captured your discernment and understanding, by "the wisdom of men".

1 Cor. 2
[4] And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
[5] That YOUR faith should NOT stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power of [the Holy Spirit of] God.

[6] Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [born again]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
[7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, EVEN the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

 

[Douggg]

Sure it does, Daniel said the covenant would span 70 weeks of sevens

No, it does not say the covenant would span 70 weeks of sevens. But (paraphrased) that the issues that God has with Daniel's people the Jews would take 70 weeks of sevens to be resolved.

The new covenant in Christ does not have a 7 year stipulation to it. The Mt. Sinai covenant does. Stipulated in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

The 70th week begins when the Antichrist, perceived messiah by the Jews, will activate the 7 year stipulation. Basically it will be a big speech from the temple mount that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs forever.

 

[Douggg]

Sorry to see that the Premil doctrine has captured your discernment and understanding, by "the wisdom of men".

The same could be said about Amil doctrine.

Antiochus is not the little horn person. The little horn person is time of the end. And will be broken by Jesus.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Daniel's little horn is definitely a man:

No, the little horn itself is NOT a man. It is the power for a short time.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Again, the little horn represents power, but not long, only for a little, and the man of sin is the man of lawlessness THROUGH WHOM SATAN RULES. So while they are intimately connected in that the antichrist spirit Satan is given that power to rule the gentiles a short time, they are not literally the same picture. The little horn is illustrating Satan's power to rule a little season through the man of sin or lawlessness. It will be through sinful man (or the man of sin). Not as one but MANY!

Daniel 7:8

• "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things."

In this particular little horn, God references the eyes (Luke 11:34) of man in this power because the power of Satan to rule will come by man speaking great things that deceive. This is the false prophet that comes with false teachings against God's people. Where is the inconsistency? The man of sin is not any "one" man in particular, but the man of lawlessness or sin in general. Lawlessness and sin is the same. Even as David also described the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputed righteousness without works (Romans 4:6), so the man of unrighteousness is the man accursed. As the Apostle Paul was the man of Righteousness with the Spirit of God in him, while Judas was the Man of Sin (unrighteousness) with the spirit of Antichrist in him. One the son of the free woman and one the son of the bond woman. One the son inheriting the land of promise and one the son inheriting perdition or desolation. One of Christ and one of Antichrist.

2nd Thessalonians 2:3

• "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

The sinful man is revealed in the falling away or "apostasy" in the Church. This great forsaking of God in the holy temple is where the Antichrist sits to rule for a little season, aka little horn! So yes, I forcefully contended that Daniel’s little horn is the little power that Satan has to rule near the end of time, and he rules through the man of sin or lawlessness. It is through his spirit the apostasy or forsaking comes. And the Antichrist is "anyone" who has the spirit of Antichrist. And there are many Antichrists, not just one. If you are going looking for one man or one Church system to fulfill the qualification, you are looking in the wrong place , dude!

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.


All the horns are men, kings, including the little horn.

Will you be busy looking for so-called 10 common market states, or ten literal men, etc? That is another well-oiled myth, which proves
that you are merely blindly reading from the script of the Premillennial handbook, and not from the Bible. You're following a man-made formula that changes like the weather. In the Bible Horns signify power (Daniel 8:7), the number 10 signifies its fullness, and they are kings illustrating their rule. Kings don't symbolize that they are literally Princes, Presidents, Leaders or Prime Ministers of any political nation. They are the rules of the beast through the fullness of the time of the end. They have enmity against Christ and His saints, not the political nation of Israel.

Daniel 7:24-26

• "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
• And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
• But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end."

The different countries of the world are not wearing out (causing affliction to) the saints as prophesied, it is the false Christs, false prophets, man of sin and his minions! Selah! Sure, some country is going to persecute Christians somewhere, but that has always been the case. But the great tribulation for the Church/Saints is something far more sinister and dangerous than beatings or killings. It is a deception so great that if the days weren't shortened, there would be no flesh left on earth to be saved. When Revelation 17 says the 10 horns have received no kingdom yet, it is declaring they have not come to rule yet the saints, but their horn (power) comes in as the beast is loosed, as is illustrated in Revelation.

But if you want to keep looking at political nations and states and countries instead of allowing the Bible to interpret itself, you will never have any understanding of prophecy. Selah!

 

[covenantee]

Yes, but the covenant in Christ does not have a 7 year stipulation to it. The Mt. Sinai covenant does. Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

This Christ did, for the first 3 1/2 years through His own ministry to Israel, and, after His return to Heaven, for the second 3 1/2 years through the ministry of His disciples to Israel.

3 1/2 years + 3 1/2 years = 7 years

One week.

The 70th.

 

[ewq1938]

No, the little horn itself is NOT a man.

Daniel did write about him as being a man, a king like the other ten.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Daniel did write about him as being a man, a king like the other ten.

If your carnal mind says so. Let me know when you find ten men and we will talk.

 

[ewq1938]

If your carnal mind says so.

The bible says so which is why you haven't been able to address the language Daniel used which clearly identifies ALL 11 horns as kings/men. A carnal mind denies what Daniel wrote.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The Jews still go by the old covenant

A few of them might, but most of them follow a man made religion they call judaism which has very little to do with following the old covenant.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The bible says so which is why you haven't been able to address the language Daniel used which clearly identifies ALL 11 horns as kings/men. A carnal mind denies what Daniel wrote.

Like I said, let me know when you find 10 men plus your fantasy evil man with little horns.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Like I said, let me know when you find 10 men plus your fantasy evil man with little horns.

When you get that implant so you can buy and sell... let us know how that works out for ya

 

[TribulationSigns]

When you get that implant so you can buy and sell... let us know how that works out for ya

This is another example of your imagination running wild from everything from supernatural single man to nuclear war to attack helicopters, to implanting chips under the skin to be the mark. Never mind that NONE of this is ever seen in Scripture, like you, they privately interpret Scripture to "mean" this even though it doesn't say this! This is the difference between a private or personal interpretation and a Biblical interpretation. Between building a House upon the solid Rock, and building a hound on a foundation of sand. An unsound hermeneutic, a flawed system of interpretation necessarily negates understanding of God's Word. In other words, if my system allows me to subjectively or arbitrarily assign a nuclear war to burnt-up trees, emission from the sun, attack helicopters to flesh-eating locusts and a particularly wicked man to the man of sin, then my system is fatally flawed. Because as righteous Joseph indeed illustrated, interpretations do belong to God, rather than man. And God speaks through circumspect consideration of His Word, generated from wanna-be YouTube prophets.

 

[Earburner]

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Indeed, that WAS Antiochus Epiphanes, the "little horn". He did not die by any man's hand, but rather by extreme internal sickness/disease and frustration in mental anguish, of losing all that he commanded and worked for, who in the end realized that he had been fighting against the God of Israel.
2 Maccabees 9:1-28.

 

[Jay Ross]

Indeed, that WAS Antiochus Epiphanes, the "little horn". He did not die by any man's hand, but rather by extreme internal sickness/disease and frustration in mental anguish, of losing all that he commanded and worked for, who in the end realized that he had been fighting against the God of Israel.
2 Maccabees 9:1-28.

Satan is able to present the circumstances that will hide the 2,300 year timespan of the Daniel 8:9-14 prophecy which will end in around 20 years' time when Isaiah 24:21-22 will occur.

If as you are suggesting that the Daniel 8:9-14 had been fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes around the year 160 BC, then how come the Temple was not destroyed then but was in 70 AD and why are the Israelites still being trampled by the armies of the gentiles even during this present time?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

This Christ did, for the first 3 1/2 years through His own ministry to Israel, and, after His return to Heaven, for the second 3 1/2 years through the ministry of His disciples to Israel.

3 1/2 years + 3 1/2 years = 7 years

One week.

The 70th.

Amen. It boggles my mind that any Christian would not recognize that Daniel 9:27 is talking about Jesus confirming the new covenant and that the reference to Him causing the sacrifices and offerings to cease has to do with the fact that His death brought about the end of the old covenant animal sacrifice system and ushered in the new covenant. And, as you said, that was confirmed by His ministry while He was on earth as well as the ministry of His disciples to Israel before the gospel began to spread to the Gentile nations.

 

[Earburner]

Satan is able to present the circumstances that will hide the 2,300 year timespan of the Daniel 8:9-14 prophecy which will end in around 20 years' time when Isaiah 24:21-22 will occur.

If as you are suggesting that the Daniel 8:9-14 had been fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes around the year 160 BC, then how come the Temple was not destroyed then but was in 70 AD and why are the Israelites still being trampled by the armies of the gentiles even during this present time?

Nowhere in scripture are we specifically led to believe that the prophecy of the 2300 DAYS are to be converted into years.

The temple/sanctuary, during the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes, was ransacked
and desolated, not destroyed within the 1290 days of the 2300. In 1&2 Maccabees the math is all there in the recorded dates.

The nation of Israel of today is not recognized by God.
Mat. 21
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

After 70 AD., Israel is just as equal in God's eyes as any Gentile nation.
In case you haven't studied it out, the Jews are not a separate race of people, but rather were Gentiles who were "set apart" for God's purpose, to bring into the world His Son Jesus, our Savior.
In fact, all who were/are generated from "the seed of Abraham" (Ishmael and Isaac), is a "Semite". Both the Jews and the Palestinians are of Abraham, who was once himself a Gentile.

Today, the issue with the Jews and the Palestinians is a long standing Semitic "FAMILY FUED" over "Jerusalem which now is". Gal. ch. 4. The truth of it is, each are being "anti-semitic" against the other. So much for the foolish use of that word.

But, ever since Pentecost, by God's Grace to all people, through faith in His Son Jesus, there is now NO difference between Jew or Gentile.
In other words, from God's perspective, there is no such thing as a Jew. However, through our corrupted natural flesh, we all manage to revert back to distinguishing the "difference" of who is a "Jewish Christian" and who is not! And of course, there again, God says there is no such thing, for all who ARE "born again" by the Gift of God's Holy Spirit, each ARE become a NEW creature (creation), being neither Jew or Gentile.
We, who are "born again from above", ARE THAT "NATION bringing forth the fruits thereof".

 

[Earburner]

Antiochus was a type of the antichrist and the little horn of Daniel 7 but is not the 11th horn.

And the Jews, who "desolated" the temple body of Jesus, were a type of Antiochus Epiphanes. As for Judas Maccabeus, who "restored" the temple after its "desolation", guess who "restored" the temple body of Jesus?

 

[Jay Ross]

Nowhere in scripture are we specifically led to believe that the prophecy of the 2300 DAYS are to be converted into years.

The temple/sanctuary, during the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes, was ransacked
and desolated, not destroyed within the 1290 days of the 2300. In 1&2 Maccabees the math is all there in the recorded dates.

The nation of Israel of today is not recognized by God.
Mat. 21
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

After 70 AD., Israel is just as equal in God's eyes as any Gentile nation.
In case you haven't studied it out, the Jews are not a separate race of people, but rather were Gentiles who were "set apart" for God's purpose, to bring into the world His Son Jesus, our Savior.
In fact, all who were/are generated from "the seed of Abraham" (Ishmael and Isaac), is a "Semite". Both the Jews and the Palestinians are of Abraham, who was once himself a Gentile.

Today, the issue with the Jews and the Palestinians is a long standing Semitic "FAMILY FUED" over "Jerusalem which now is". Gal. ch. 4. The truth of it is, each are being "anti-semitic" against the other. So much for the foolish use of that word.

But, ever since Pentecost, by God's Grace to all people, through faith in His Son Jesus, there is now NO difference between Jew or Gentile.
In other words, from God's perspective, there is no such thing as a Jew. However, through our corrupted natural flesh, we all manage to revert back to distinguishing the "difference" of who is a "Jewish Christian" and who is not! And of course, there again, God says there is no such thing, for all who ARE "born again" by the Gift of God's Holy Spirit, each ARE become a NEW creature (creation), being neither Jew or Gentile.
We, who are "born again from above", ARE THAT "NATION bringing forth the fruits thereof".

But for me, the historical evidence confirms that the Daniel 8:9-14 prophecy has a timespan of 2,300 years which will end in around 20 years' time. I believe that this prophecy will end when God causes all the kings of the earth to assemble at Armageddon to be judged for their part in trampling God's Sanctuary and His earthly hosts, Israel.

If this prophecy ended around 160 BC then so be it, but the historical records of all of the trampling of the people of Israel has continued since 160 BC right up to this present time and will continue for around another 20 years.

Your justification simply does not add up, that God is finished with Israel. Paul in Romans 1:;25b-26 simply does not think so as he sees that when the fullness with respect to time of the Gentiles is completed, that after time all of Israel will be saved.

Your explanation smacks of replacement theology.

Goodbye