Daniel 9:27 the covenant to be confirmed

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Earburner

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Wrong! When Jesus said destroy this body:

John 2:18-21​

King James Version​

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body

It was not the church but His physical body.

No you aren't painting pictures, but rewriting Scripture. YOu are taking seven sins which God says man commits that are an abomination to Him and now making them Jewish sins against teh Messiah.

Hey you are quoting your own revised version of the bible, and blaming the Holy Spirit and saying anyone who dares disagree with you has the mind of men. This kind of accusation has been spewed out by tens of thousands before yo uthat also hold their own rewriting of teh Scripture.
Discernment and interpretation by the Holy Spirit, is not revising or re-writing scripture!!
It's called "having the mind of Christ". 1 Cor. 2[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ- [and not the wisdom of men, aka. church-ianity, 1 Cor. 2:5].

Sorry that you don't understand KJV Proverbs 6:17, because if you did, you would know why it is, that even Jesus included Himself as being NOT good, for only God the Father is good.
The word is sitting right there in Prov. 6:17.
Your clue: it begins with the letter "i".

Edit: So then, since Jesus is "the last Adam", being also not "good", for only God the Father is good, what then was His status of character, while He was in His mortal flesh?
 
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Are you confusing me (Earburner) with "Tribulationsigns". You replied to both of us.
I am not sure of what you said to me, was meant for me.
I may have. I have been under powerful pain blockers for a severe back injury , so I could have confused you both. My apologies if I did.
 

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Ronald, are you replying to me, or "tribulation signs"?
In John 2:18-21, I agree with you. Originally, in my post that is my argument with "tribulation times". The literal physical body of Christ is what was "desolated", and then "restored" with New Life.
Jesus POINTED BACK in history of the prophecy in Dan. that was ALREADY FULFILLED.
Jesus used it AS A SIGN, as he often did, just like Jonah and the whale/fish.
It's called "typology", being type and anti-type. Chuch-ianity uses it all the time,... but Jesus can't??
What will they do with the word "antichrist"? Well, I for one, don't see that they are doing well with it at all!!! They put the word "THE" in front of it, thus making it absolutely singular, when there are MANY antchrists.
But that is not what is called for in Daniel 9. That is a mystical interpretation.
Jesus POINTED BACK in history of the prophecy in Dan. that was ALREADY FULFILLED.
Jesus used it AS A SIGN, as he often did, just like Jonah and the whale/fish.
It's called "typology", being type and anti-type. Chuch-ianity uses it all the time,... but Jesus can't??
What will they do with the word "antichrist"? Well, I for one, don't see that they are doing well with it at all!!! They put the word "THE" in front of it, thus making it absolutely singular, when there are MANY antchrists.
When Jesus quoted Daniel 9 He used the future tense meaning it was something to happen and He told His followers that when it happened they were to do several things- one being flee! They did not as they did in 66 AD and also when the antichrist enters the rebuilt temple as described in Thesselonians.

Typology has become much abused in these days of myriadas of mystical reinterpreters who all claim Holy Spirit Inspiration yet disagree with each other!
Sorry that you don't understand KJV Proverbs 6:17, because if you did, you would know why it is, that even Jesus included Himself as being NOT good, for only God the Father is good.
The word is sitting right there in Prov. 6:17.
Your clue: it begins with the letter "i"
So are you saying Jesus had a proud look a lying tongue and hands that shedded innocent blood because you declare only the Father is good(though the Scripture says only God which Jesus is)
Discernment and interpretation by the Holy Spirit, is not revising or re-writing scripture!!
It's called "having the mind of Christ". 1 Cor. 2[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ- [and not the wisdom of men, aka. church-ianity, 1 Cor. 2:5].

Yes and all those who disagree with you have said the same as you. I call it the trickery of reading between the lines of which we know there is nothing there.
 

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But that is not what is called for in Daniel 9. That is a mystical interpretation.

When Jesus quoted Daniel 9 He used the future tense meaning it was something to happen and He told His followers that when it happened they were to do several things- one being flee! They did not as they did in 66 AD and also when the antichrist enters the rebuilt temple as described in Thesselonians.
Yes indeed, Jesus did point to the "AoD" to be in the future,.....His immediate future:
John 2
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy [desolate] this temple [of Himself], and in three days I will raise it up [Restore it].
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.
[22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

No one here seems to correctly understand the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 12.
Within that prophecy there were 1290 days (not years), whereby king Antiochus Epiphanes lV ransacked and desolated [destroyed] the temple/sanctuary in Jerusalem. However, 45 days later** the prince of Israel, Judas Maccabeus, restored [raised up] the temple/sanctuary back to use for God and Israel. Today the Jews celebrate that historical event as Hanukkah.
Please read and digest 1&2 Maccabees, for that Jewish historical account.

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Note: "blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1335 days. Dan. 12
[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety [1290] days.
[12] Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty [1335] days, which is 45 days later, AFTER the restoration of the temple ].

Now you can know how Jesus applied the "AoD" of Dan. in typology to Himself, including the blessing that he told the disciples to "wait for" in Jerusalem, from His Father from on high".
What was that blessing from God the Father, of which one disciple didn't wait for it, nor COULD he come to it, because he committed suicide, before the Gift of God was made available to all people?



Typology has become much abused in these days of myriadas of mystical reinterpreters who all claim Holy Spirit Inspiration yet disagree with each other!
Not mystical, but rather spiritual:
1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
So are you saying Jesus had a proud look a lying tongue and hands that shedded innocent blood because you declare only the Father is good(though the Scripture says only God which Jesus is)
Wrong choice from Proverbs 6:17.
The word you were to be looking for, about the  status of Jesus character, before God, is that He was neither evil nor good! He was INNOCENT.

It is what God interjected as being the 7th abomination, to that of the six other abominations.

The answer is:
Proverbs 6[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and HANDS THAT SHED innocent blood,...
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So then, the real number one question is, WHOSE HANDS shed the innocent blood of Jesus? Be aware and forewarned!! You will not like, agree or want to accept the truthful answer in the two following accounts.......it was the Jews that shed the innocent blood of their Messiah/Savior Jesus, which indeed was an abomination against God.
Mark 15
[12] And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews?
[13] And they cried out again, Crucify him.
[14] Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him.

If that wasn't bad enough, the Jews then invited God's wrath upon themselves and their children:
Mat. 27
[22] Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
[23] And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
[24] When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
[25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Yes and all those who disagree with you have said the same as you. I call it the trickery of reading between the lines of which we know there is nothing there.
The "natural man" can never be the judge in "comparing spiritual things with spiritual"
 
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No one seems to understand what sanctuary the Lord was talking about here. Everyone tried to build doctrine based on the belief that the sanctuary still applies to the physical temple in Jersualem whether in 70AD or future. :rolleyes: No wonder the New Testament external church where the desolation stands needs some cleaning of false prophets and christs along with professed Christians deceived by them.
 

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No one here seems to correctly understand the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 12.
Within that prophecy there were 1290 days (not years), whereby king Antiochus Epiphanes lV ransacked and desolated [destroyed] the temple/sanctuary in Jerusalem. However, 45 days later** the prince of Israel, Judas Maccabeus, restored [raised up] the temple/sanctuary back to use for God and Israel. Today the Jews celebrate that historical event as Hanukkah.
Please read and digest 1&2 Maccabees, for that Jewish historical account.

First off you are assuming the 1290 and 1345 days to the abomination Antiochus established and the overthrow by the sons of Matthias (Maccabees) However Matthias saw Antichus ransack and desolate the temple and His sons restore it and died within 2 years of the beginning of this whole series of events. So you are in error.
* Note: "blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1335 days. Dan. 12
[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety [1290] days.
[12] Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty [1335] days, which is 45 days later, AFTER the restoration of the temple ].

Now you can know how Jesus applied the "AoD" of Dan. in typology to Himself, including the blessing that he told the disciples to "wait for" in Jerusalem, from His Father from on high".
From Jesus resurrection (the three days He will raise it up) to HIs ascension and then the giving of the Holy Spirit was 50 days, you just can't fit the 1290 and then the 1335 days allegorically anywhere in that.

Now let us look at Jesus prophecy of Matthew 24:

5 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

No one needed to flee. there was no abomination standing in the Holy Place (typologically that would be Jesus so you had to have the AoD iin Jesus)

And there wasn't tribulation like the world never saw nor would ever see again anywhere near that time.
Not mystical, but rather spiritual:
1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
And once again many who have reinterpreted the plain written words of SCripture using your same line as spiritual disagree with you .

Why are there allegorical (spiritual) interpretations wrong and yours right??
it was the Jews that shed the innocent blood of their Messiah/Savior Jesus, which indeed was an abomination against God.
Mark 15
[12] And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews?
[13] And they cried out again, Crucify him.
[14] Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him.

If that wasn't bad enough, the Jews then invited God's wrath upon themselves and their children:
Mat. 27
[22] Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
[23] And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
[24] When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
[25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
Some Jews but not all Jews! But it was our sin that put Jesus on the cross. It still was Pilates authority that had Him killed. That is immortalized in the Apostles Creed: "Crucified under Pontious Pilate".

Yes the Pharisees and Satan stirred up a crowd and yes the Pharisees ( or at least a quorum of them) conspired to kill Jesus, but hundreds of thousands of Jews got saved both during and after Jesus' life. So inyour spiritual allegorical interpretation, how many Jews did it take to kill Jesus???
The "natural man" can never be the judge in "comparing spiritual things with spiritual"
So you are saying anyone who dares disagree with your position is a "natural man".
 

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I was referencing Dan. 12:11-12 which is about the 1290 plus the 45 days (1335), that were at the end of the 2300 day prophecy, of which, as you pointed out, is shown in Dan. 8:14.
Thanks for pointing out that oversight.

Antiochus Epiphanes, in his time, did literally fulfill the 2300 day prophecy, by performing "the abomination that maketh desolate", of which Jesus pointed to, and was soon to be in HIS immediate future, while He was in mortal flesh.
1 and 2 Maccabees.
 

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First off you are assuming the 1290 and 1345 days to the abomination Antiochus established and the overthrow by the sons of Matthias (Maccabees) However Matthias saw Antichus ransack and desolate the temple and His sons restore it and died within 2 years of the beginning of this whole series of events. So you are in error.

From Jesus resurrection (the three days He will raise it up) to HIs ascension and then the giving of the Holy Spirit was 50 days, you just can't fit the 1290 and then the 1335 days allegorically anywhere in that.

Now let us look at Jesus prophecy of Matthew 24:

5 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

No one needed to flee. there was no abomination standing in the Holy Place (typologically that would be Jesus so you had to have the AoD iin Jesus)

And there wasn't tribulation like the world never saw nor would ever see again anywhere near that time.

And once again many who have reinterpreted the plain written words of SCripture using your same line as spiritual disagree with you .

Why are there allegorical (spiritual) interpretations wrong and yours right??

Some Jews but not all Jews! But it was our sin that put Jesus on the cross. It still was Pilates authority that had Him killed. That is immortalized in the Apostles Creed: "Crucified under Pontious Pilate".

Yes the Pharisees and Satan stirred up a crowd and yes the Pharisees ( or at least a quorum of them) conspired to kill Jesus, but hundreds of thousands of Jews got saved both during and after Jesus' life. So inyour spiritual allegorical interpretation, how many Jews did it take to kill Jesus???

So you are saying anyone who dares disagree with your position is a "natural man".
Absolutely not. Unfortunately, as we live out our lives in mortal flesh, "the natural man" is ever present with us, being that of our own human mind.
Though we are "Born again" by the Holy Spirit, aka "the mind of Christ", many are USING their "natural man's" mind to study/interpret God's word with, and are being led by "the wisdom of men", and NOT by the Holy Spirit that is within them. 1 Cor. 2:5.
 
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No one knows what the covenant is because it has not confirmed yet. although there are many guesses
Jesus did confirm a Covenant with his disciples before his death, as well as after His resurrection, who was then seen by them for 40 days.
 
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Yes the Pharisees and Satan stirred up a crowd and yes the Pharisees ( or at least a quorum of them) conspired to kill Jesus, but hundreds of thousands of Jews got saved both during and after Jesus' life. So inyour spiritual allegorical interpretation, how many Jews did it take to kill Jesus???
Hands that shed innocent blood, is an abomination unto God. Pilate was willing to allow Jesus to be free, but the Jews would not.
 

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Absolutely not. Unfortunately, as we live out our lives in mortal flesh, "the natural man" is ever present with us, being that of our own human mind.
Though we are "Born again" by the Holy Spirit, aka "the mind of Christ", many are USING their "natural man's" mind to study/interpret God's word with, and are being led by "the wisdom of men", and NOT by the Holy Spirit that is within them. 1 Cor. 2:5.
So according to you, simply reading and accepting what is written as written is looking at teh Scriptures with a natural mind?
 

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No He did not. He showed the New Covenant, but did not make that covenant with them.

Matthew 26
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Yes, He gave it to them, and they drank all of it.

But He only showed it. :laughing:

Ignorance that defies comprehension. :laughing:
 
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No He did not. He showed the New Covenant, but did not make that covenant with them.

The new cov was enacted at his death on the cross and it was with anyone who accepted him as Messiah, from that point on.
 

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No He did not. He showed the New Covenant, but did not make that covenant with them.
Well, it could be that we both are a bit off.
However, Jesus did pronounce the New Covenant with His disciples, through the giving of the symbols of the "bread" and the "wine".

Heb. 9
[14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
[15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[16] For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[17] For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
[18] Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
[19] For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
[20] Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
[21] Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
[22] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
[23] It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
[24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
[25] Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
 

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No He did not. He showed the New Covenant, but did not make that covenant with them.
Do you not even know what the new covenant is and how it was put into effect? How can any Christian not know that?

Matthew 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Are you saying that Jesus did not make the covenant by which people receive the remission/forgiveness of sins with the disciples, which would mean their sins have not been forgiven?
 
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So according to you, simply reading and accepting what is written as written is looking at teh Scriptures with a natural mind?
What prophetic event, do the literal words of Jesus relate to, in this statement of Jesus:
John 2
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy [desolate] this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.
 

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The new cov was enacted at his death on the cross and it was with anyone who accepted him as Messiah, from that point on.
So I do not misunderstand- are you referring to the New Covenant as written in Jeremiah 31?

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.