Daniel`s 70 Weeks.

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Marilyn C

Active Member
Mar 16, 2016
492
161
43
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
God gives us much detail concerning the 70 weeks, why He declared it, when it starts & the breakdown of the 3 parts.

The Edict to rebuild. (7 X 7 years)

`Know therefore & understand that from the going forth of the command to restore & rebuild Jerusalem …..7 weeks ( 7 x 7 )…..` (Dan. 9: 25)

Mar. 5, 444 BC – the king of Persia gives edict to rebuild Jerusalem & Temple.

Nehemiah, a captive is asked by the king, why he looks so sad. Nehemiah explains that his city (Jerusalem) lies waste & the gates are burned. The king then asks `What do you request?` Nehemiah prays, then asks the king to send him to Jerusalem that he may build the walls.

The king gives him permit letters so that Nehemiah may pass through regions beyond the River (Euphrates) till he comes to Judah. He is also given a letter to Asaph the keeper of the king`s forest that he must give Nehemiah timber for the beams of the gates for the temple, for the city wall & for Nehemiah`s house. (Neh. 2: 1 – 8)



After restoring & rebuilding. (62 X 7 years)

`….rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be 62 weeks ( 62 x 7 years);…` (Dan. 9: 25)

Palm Sunday. (Mar. 30, 33 AD) The Messiah appears as Prince riding on a colt.


`Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold your King is coming to you; He is just & having salvation, lowly & riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey.` (Zechariah 9: 9)

`And it came to pass, ….that He (Jesus) sent two disciples, saying, “Go into the village opposite you, where as you enter, you will find a colt tied,….bring him here…..Then, as He was now drawing near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice & praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works they had seen, saying –

“Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord!...` (Luke 19: 28 – 38)

Messiah cut off.

We know this is the time that the Lord was crucified. Then there is a `gap` period while the Body of Christ comes to maturity. When that is completed then the focus will be on Israel`s final 7 years of chastisement.

`And after 62 weeks (62 X 7 years) Messiah shall be cut off, ….` (Dan. 9: 26)


The Final 7 years.[SIZE=14pt] One week. ( 1 X 7 years).[/SIZE]

This is the completion of God`s dealings with Israel in regards to their national rebellion. It is the time when the final Gentile Rulership tries to annihilate Israel.

`And the people of the prince (leader) who is to come shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) & the sanctuary …He shall confirm a covenant with many for one `week` (1 X 7 years). But in the middle of the week ( 7 years) he shall bring an end to sacrifice & offering…` (Dan. 9: 26 & 27




Marilyn.
 

Marilyn C

Active Member
Mar 16, 2016
492
161
43
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Here is a diagram of how I see the 69 weeks ( 69 X 7 years).

_____I________________________________________________I______
Mar. 5, 444BC……………………..(69 x 7)……………………………………Mar. 30, 33AD…….


March 5, 444 BC – Neh. 2: 1 – 5. Artaxerxes Longimanus of Persia gives edict to rebuild Jerusalem & Temple.
March 30, 33 AD – Zech. 9: 9 & Luke 19: 29 – 44. Messiah appears as Prince. (Palm Sunday)

Prophetic
70 x 7 = 490 years (Sabbatical years)
7 x 7, & 62 x 7 = 69 x 7 = 483 years. (7 years still to come)
483 years of 360 days = 173,880 days.


Calendar
476 X 365.242 + 25 days = 173,880 days

Thus the Prophetic & Calendar times match.
(P) 483 years (of 360 days) = (C) 476 (X 365.242 + 25 days) = 173,880 days.


Marilyn.
 

ATP

New Member
Jan 3, 2015
3,264
49
0
U.S.A.
Marilyn C said:
Messiah cut off.

We know this is the time that the Lord was crucified. Then there is a `gap` period while the Body of Christ comes to maturity. When that is completed then the focus will be on Israel`s final 7 years of chastisement.

`And after 62 weeks (62 X 7 years) Messiah shall be cut off, ….` (Dan. 9: 26)
Correct. There is a gap because the six tasks are not complete yet in Dan 9:24. Very good M.C.
 

Marilyn C

Active Member
Mar 16, 2016
492
161
43
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
ATP said:
Correct. There is a gap because the six tasks are not complete yet in Dan 9:24. Very good M.C.
Hi ATP,

Thank you for your encouragement. Now as to `make an end of sin,` & `bring in everlasting righteousness,` let`s look at what God`s word says concerning those points.

  1. `to make an end of sin.` In context we see that God is referring to Israel.
`Seventy weeks are determined for your people & for your holy city,..` (Dan. 9: 24)
Thus this refers to Israel`s national rebellion against God. It is not talking about `sin` with regard to the Body of Christ or the nations. God is referring to `your people…` Israel. This national rebellion will end when Christ connects again with Israel. (Zech. 12: 7 – 14)

2. `to bring in everlasting righteousness.` Again in context with Israel we know that Christ will set up His rulership through Israel in Jerusalem.
  • The people of the nations will go up to Jerusalem to learn the ways of the Lord. (Micah 4: 1 – 3) If they don`t go up to worship then no rain will come upon their land. Thus no rain, leads to famine, disease & death.
  • People will die in the millennium. (Isa. 65: 20)
  • Note that it is only on God`s holy mountain that the presence of the Lord dwells. (Isa. 65: 24 – 25)
  • People of the nations are still carnal & eventually Satan has them go against Jerusalem, but God sends fire down to consume them. (Rev. 20: 7 – 10)
  • The last enemy we know is death. ( 1 Cor. 15: 26)

Israel will rule with Christ`s righteousness in the millennium & then on in to the new earth.

Marilyn.
 

Jun2u

Well-Known Member
Mar 6, 2014
1,083
362
83
75
Southern CA.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Is Nehemiah a Candidate?

One of the most commonly accepted beginning points for the 70 weeks is the year 445 B.C., when Nehemiah, who was the cupbearer for the Persian King Artaxerxes, asked the king for permission to go to Jerusalem to rebuild the walls. In a period of 52 days, he did indeed rebuild the walls of Jerusalem. Nehemiah, however, is not a possible answer to our question of when the 70 sevens began. First of all, while King Artaxerxes gave Nehemiah permission to build the walls, he did not command the re-building of the walls. Moreover, nowhere do we read that God gave such a command either to the Persian king or to Nehemiah. There-fore, Nehemiah cannot be related to Daniel 9:25, where God states that a command was given. Furthermore, no matter how we try, we cannot go through the 70 sevens from a time standpoint and arrive at anything that properly relates to the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is one solution, beginning with Nehemiah, that has been suggested; namely, that we take all the days between 445 B.C. and A.D. 32, assuming 365¼ days in a year, and then divide this product by 360 days. By following this computation, we get exactly 69 sevens, or 483 years of 360 days, from 445 B.C. to A.D. 32. One can read about this in almost any study on the 70 weeks of Daniel 9.
While this solution may seem interesting, it does not appear at all valid. There is no place in the Bible where this kind of computation, wherein time is first calculated on the basis of 365¼ days in a year and then divided by 360 days, is utilized. Therefore, we have no Biblical authority for it.
Christ was Crucified in A.D. 33 Moreover, Christ was not crucified in A.D. 32. We know from the Bible that He was crucified in A.D. 33. In Luke 3:1, as God describes the preaching of John the Baptist at the time Jesus was baptized, we read: Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene . . .
This piece of information give us an historical time clue. We know from very accurate secular records that Tiberius Caesar began to reign alone in the year A.D. 14. His fifteenth year, therefore, was A.D. 29.
We also know from carefully reading the Gospel of John, that Jesus actually preached for about 3½ years. Since He was crucified at the Passover, which was observed in the spring of the year, His baptism would have been in the fall of a previous year. Thus, 3½ years following A.D. 29 brings us to A.D. 33, when He was crucified. Furthermore, because of the moon phases which governed the timing of the Jewish feasts, the year A.D. 32 could not possibly have been the year He was crucified. The timing of the Passover Feast was related to the full moon. Only A.D. 30 or A.D. 33 were possible years that would agree with the timing of the Passover observed at the time Jesus was crucified. (See paragraph 459, page 296, “Handbook of Biblical Chronology,” by Jack Finegan, Princeton University Press, 1964.)
Therefore, the Biblical evidence appears to point to the year A.D. 33 as the year that Christ was crucified. When we understand the 70 sevens of Daniel 9, we will see that it also shows us that A.D. 33 was the year of His crucifixion.
For all of the foregoing reasons, therefore, we must reject Nehemiah’s activity in Jerusalem as being a solution to our problem.

Is King Cyrus a Possibility?

A second solution has been suggested by some. While it appears to be attractive in some ways, it, too, will not meet all the criteria demanded by Daniel 9. This solution involves a predecessor of Artaxerxes, a king named Cyrus, who defeated Babylon in 539 B.C We read about him in II Chronicles 36:22-23:
Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath the LORD God of heaven given me; and he hath charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? The LORD his God be with him, and let him go up.
Indeed, in 537 B.C., about 50,000 Israelites who had been captives in the land of Persia, as a result of the command given by God to Cyrus to rebuild His house in Jerusalem, did return to Jerusalem; and they did lay the foundation of the temple. Significantly, this activity of Cyrus was predicted almost 200 years earlier by Isaiah, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, when he declared in Isaiah 44:28:
That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.
Thus, we see that Cyrus meets two qualifications demanded by Daniel 9:25; namely, that the command was of the Lord and that the command concerned itself with the rebuilding of Jerusalem.
Unfortunately, there is one fatal flaw to his candidacy being considered the beginning of the 70 weeks. There is no possible way to relate the year 537 B.C., on a 70-week basis, to the Lord Jesus, who was baptized in the year A.D. 29 and crucified in the year A.D. 33.
Thus, Cyrus, as well as Nehemiah, must be reluctantly set aside as a solution to Daniel 9:24-27.

Now we must consider a third possibility, which, we shall see, meets all the requirements of Daniel 9 but I must reserve my answer to let you good folks out there search out the scriptures for your answers just as the Bereans did.

To God Be The Glory
 

Marilyn C

Active Member
Mar 16, 2016
492
161
43
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Hi Jun2u,

Ok, seems you have studied this also. Now you said - `First of all, while King Artaxerxes gave Nehemiah permission to build the walls, he did not command the re-building of the walls.

So let`s look at Nehemiah.

`And it came to pass in the month of Nisan in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was before him, that I (Nehemiah) took the wine & gave it to the king......the king said, "Why is your face sad,...? (Nehemiah said) " Why should my face not be sad, when the city, the place of my father`s tombs, lies in waste, & its gates are burned with fire?"

Then the king said to me, "What do you request?" .....(Nehemiah) "If it pleases the king,....that you send me to Judah, to the city of my father`s tomb, that I MAY REBUILD IT." (Neh. 2: 1: 5)

Seems pretty straight forward to me.


Also regarding the 360 days, that refers to Israel`s months of 30 days. God is very precise when giving us measurements. Note Zechariah`s prophecy concerning `messiah the prince.`

`Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! behold, your King is coming to you; Hi is just & having salvation, lowly & riding on a donkey, the colt, the foal of a donkey.` (Zech. 9: 9)

And that we know was precisely fulfilled on Palm Sunday when Jesus, Israel Messiah the Prince rode into Jerusalem on a colt. (Dan. 9: 25 & Matt. 21: 1 - 11)


Marilyn.
 

Phoneman777

Well-Known Member
Jan 14, 2015
7,391
2,594
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
ATP said:
What else could "chatham" mean here...

Make an end of sins - "To make an end" is translated "chatham" which means to seal, affix a seal, seal up. Sin is the violation of God's law. If there is no sin, there cannot be a violation. Therefore, whatever will happen during this prophecy has the ability to put an end to the violation of God's law.
Yes, there will be a "chatham" EVENTUALLY. Why can't the 70 Weeks end before the end of sin?
 

Phoneman777

Well-Known Member
Jan 14, 2015
7,391
2,594
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
ATP said:
You're seriously asking this? :rolleyes:
Yes, please explain exactly what in verse 24 leads you to conclude that sin and transgression must end before 34 A.D., which is 490 years from the beginning of the prophecy in 457 B.C.
 

Phoneman777

Well-Known Member
Jan 14, 2015
7,391
2,594
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Marilyn C said:
Hi Phoneman777, ATP & Dan75,

WHY did God say 70 weeks.

Always good to start with `why` God does something as then the details make more sense, I believe.

Seven, 7 – the Hebrew `shibah` the number seven, the sacred full one. From the Hebrew `shaba,` meaning to be complete.

Thus I see that when God rested on the seventh day that He was showing the complete cycle for a week of days – a unit of seven. Now we know that God told Israel to also rest on the 7th day. Then when Israel was in their own land He told them to give the land a rest every 7 years. However Israel did not obey the Lord & eventually they went into exile so that the land could fulfil its Sabbaths. God said –

`And those who were escaped from the sword he (King Nebuchadnezzar) carried away to Babylon, where they became servants to him & his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia, to fulfil the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her Sabbaths. As long as she lay desolate she kept Sabbath, to fulfil seventy (70) years.` (2 Chron. 36: 20 & 21)

Then when Daniel was in Babylon he read the prophecy of Jeremiah & realised that the 70 years was nearly up. (Jer. 25: 12)

`In the first year of his reign (Darius the Mede) I, Daniel, understood by the books the number of the years specified by the word of the Lord, given through Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish 70 years in the desolations of Jerusalem. ` (Dan. 9: 2)

So Daniel gets to prayer, humbles himself & seeks God for his nation. God replies telling Daniel that it is not only 70 years for the land`s Sabbath`s rest but that there are `70 X 7` years for the people of Israel & Jerusalem, to bring an end to the national rebellion against God. (Dan. 9)
I fully agree with the Historicist view that the verse has to do with 490 consecutive years pertaining to ancient Israel, where the last week is fulfilled by Jesus Christ, not Antichrist, because it specifically says it has to do with "thy people and thy holy city."

Our confused Jesuit Futurist friends who insist that the 70 Weeks are not ended - thus the need for a "gap theory" - b/c transgression and sin still exist in the world are imposing their own flawed, subjective view, because the "transgression and sin" that the verse refers to can just as easily refer to that which was "finished" and "ended" in the lives of any first century Jewish convert believers (and anyone else thereafter for that matter) by faith in the One to Whom the entire prophecy points to: Jesus Christ, not Antichrist. The verse does not necessarily refer to, as Jesuit Futurists insist, the existence of transgression and sin in the entire world, hell, purgatory, or wherever else these Jesuit sympathizers choose to look.
 

Phoneman777

Well-Known Member
Jan 14, 2015
7,391
2,594
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Marilyn C said:
Mar. 5, 444 BC – the king of Persia gives edict to rebuild Jerusalem & Temple.

Marilyn.
Of what significance is 444 B.C.? It is merely the end of Artaxerxes' moratorium (prompted by the lies and false reports of Israel's enemies) on his own comprehensive command that he had already given in 457 B.C. that Israel rebuild Jerusalem, which included the unprecedented setting up of a government and the supply of materials for a wall and streets and supervision for their construction.

http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/457.html
 

ATP

New Member
Jan 3, 2015
3,264
49
0
U.S.A.
Phoneman777 said:
Yes, there will be a "chatham" EVENTUALLY. Why can't the 70 Weeks end before the end of sin?
Because the six tasks including the end of sin are a part of the 70 weeks.

Dan 9:24 NIV “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
 

Dan57

Active Member
Sep 25, 2012
510
224
43
Illinois
Faith
Country
United States
ATP said:
Because the six tasks including the end of sin are a part of the 70 weeks.

Dan 9:24 NIV “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
I tend to agree, because it says that the duration is determined at 70 weeks or 490 years, but after "7 weeks & 62 weeks" (69 weeks), Messiah would be cut off 483 years into the prophecy. Then it says the prince (small p, not Messiah the Prince), will bring in the abominations "until the consummation which is determined", meaning its included in the 70 weeks which were pre-determined. Remember Jesus referred to this same prophecy of the end times (Matthew 24:15). So imo, that final week has yet to play out. The anti-Christ will have that final 70th week (7 yr tribulation), which will be cut to 3.5 years.
 

ATP

New Member
Jan 3, 2015
3,264
49
0
U.S.A.
Dan57 said:
I tend to agree, because it says that the duration is determined at 70 weeks or 490 years, but after "7 weeks & 62 weeks" (69 weeks), Messiah would be cut off 483 years into the prophecy. Then it says the prince (small p, not Messiah the Prince), will bring in the abominations "until the consummation which is determined", meaning its included in the 70 weeks which were pre-determined. Remember Jesus referred to this same prophecy of the end times (Matthew 24:15). So imo, that final week has yet to play out. The anti-Christ will have that final 70th week (7 yr tribulation), which will be cut to 3.5 years.
Correct, and we can also see that the antichrist spirit capable of making a covenant of death..

Isa 28:15 NIV You boast, "We have entered into a covenant with death, with the realm of the dead we have made an agreement. When an overwhelming scourge sweeps by, it cannot touch us, for we have made a lie our refuge and falsehood our hiding place."

Isa 57:8-9 NIV Behind your doors and your doorposts you have put your pagan symbols. Forsaking me, you uncovered your bed, you climbed into it and opened it wide; you made a pact with those whose beds you love (Rev 6:8 NIV), and you looked with lust on their naked bodies. 9You went to Moleka with olive oil and increased your perfumes. You sent your ambassadors far away; you descended to the very realm of the dead!

Dan 9:27 NIV He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Rev 6:2 NIV I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

Rev 6:8 NIV I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
 

Phoneman777

Well-Known Member
Jan 14, 2015
7,391
2,594
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
ATP said:
Because the six tasks including the end of sin are a part of the 70 weeks.

Dan 9:24 NIV “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
ATP, for who and for what time duration does the prophecy apply? The Jews and for 490 years unto Jesus' day.

You know full well that by Jesus sacrifice, He finished the transgression and made an end of sin in the life of every Jewish believer of His day. So, why do you insist that the verse can only be interpreted to mean "finish the transgression and make an end of sin that exists in the entire world"? Of course we know why: Because evidence for a "gap theory" is so non-existent that to interpret it any other way than yours is to sweep away a major "proof text" for a "gap theory".

This is your same old tired Jesuit tactic, ATP. First deny all other possible interpretations while subjectively insisting that yours alone is the only true, then build your entire argument on this subjectivity.
 

ATP

New Member
Jan 3, 2015
3,264
49
0
U.S.A.
Phoneman777 said:
ATP, for who and for what time duration does the prophecy apply? The Jews and for 490 years unto Jesus' day.

You know full well that by Jesus sacrifice, He finished the transgression and made an end of sin in the life of every Jewish believer of His day. So, why do you insist that the verse can only be interpreted to mean "finish the transgression and make an end of sin that exists in the entire world"? Of course we know why: Because evidence for a "gap theory" is so non-existent that to interpret it any other way than yours is to sweep away a major "proof text" for a "gap theory".
Because Jesus died for the whole world Phone. There's also five other tasks...
 

ATP

New Member
Jan 3, 2015
3,264
49
0
U.S.A.
If Jesus made an end of sin for the Jewish believers, how can they still lose their salvation? :rolleyes:
 

keras

Writer of Bible study guides
Mar 18, 2014
1,191
52
48
82
New Zealand
www.logostelos.info
Faith
Christian
Country
New Zealand
Phoneman777 said:
ATP, for who and for what time duration does the prophecy apply? The Jews and for 490 years unto Jesus' day.

You know full well that by Jesus sacrifice, He finished the transgression and made an end of sin in the life of every Jewish believer of His day. So, why do you insist that the verse can only be interpreted to mean "finish the transgression and make an end of sin that exists in the entire world"? Of course we know why: Because evidence for a "gap theory" is so non-existent that to interpret it any other way than yours is to sweep away a major "proof text" for a "gap theory".

This is your same old tired Jesuit tactic, ATP. First deny all other possible interpretations while subjectively insisting that yours alone is the only true, then build your entire argument on this subjectivity.
Phoneman, your preterist beliefs lead you to make ridiculous comments and disgusting accusations against those who put forward a genuine case for a gap after the 69 'weeks'.
ATP is quite correct: There HAS been a gap - of nearly 2000 years since Jesus lived and died. There is no proof of that last 'week' having been fulfilled in 1AD and the prophesies in Revelation about 3.5 year, 42 month and 1260 day periods in the last days, are evidence of it's fulfilment then.
Saying that only ATP holds that belief, is quite wrong, I do and all the people I know who study prophecy do too. YOU are in the minority and your beliefs simply 'leave you in the dark' about what God has planned for our future.
 

Marilyn C

Active Member
Mar 16, 2016
492
161
43
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Phoneman777 said:
ATP, for who and for what time duration does the prophecy apply? The Jews and for 490 years unto Jesus' day.

You know full well that by Jesus sacrifice, He finished the transgression and made an end of sin in the life of every Jewish believer of His day. So, why do you insist that the verse can only be interpreted to mean "finish the transgression and make an end of sin that exists in the entire world"? Of course we know why: Because evidence for a "gap theory" is so non-existent that to interpret it any other way than yours is to sweep away a major "proof text" for a "gap theory".

This is your same old tired Jesuit tactic, ATP. First deny all other possible interpretations while subjectively insisting that yours alone is the only true, then build your entire argument on this subjectivity.
Hi Phoneman777,

Where is the scripture to say `in the life of every Jewish believer of His day?` (as you say) It is quite clear from God`s word (throughout) that He is desiring the whole Nation of Israel to turn to Him, & that has never happened. It will come about though, as God tells us through the prophet Zechariah -

`And I will pour on the house of David & on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace & supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced; they will mourn for him as one mourns for his only son, & grieve for him as one grieves for a first-born.` (Zech. 12: 10)

National repentance is what God is after. Yes Jesus died for all, but they have to turn to him individually. Israel is God`s nation destined to rule the other nations righteously, thus their needs to be a national repentance.

Marilyn.



 

Phoneman777

Well-Known Member
Jan 14, 2015
7,391
2,594
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Marilyn C said:
Hi Phoneman777,

Where is the scripture to say `in the life of every Jewish believer of His day?` (as you say)

Marilyn.



This principle that Jesus came to "finish the transgression and to make an end of sins" in the life of the believer is taught throughout Scripture, such as Hebrews 10:12-14 KJV; Isaiah 53:5 KJV; and Romans 8:1 KJV:

"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

"But He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed."

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit."

None of us will argue that Jesus died on the Cross to give us a license to keep on sinning, but rather to give forgiveness of sin and power to be victorious over sin to all who come to Him in repentance and faith.
 

Phoneman777

Well-Known Member
Jan 14, 2015
7,391
2,594
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
keras said:
Phoneman, your preterist beliefs lead you to make ridiculous comments and disgusting accusations against those who put forward a genuine case for a gap after the 69 'weeks'.
ATP is quite correct: There HAS been a gap - of nearly 2000 years since Jesus lived and died. There is no proof of that last 'week' having been fulfilled in 1AD and the prophesies in Revelation about 3.5 year, 42 month and 1260 day periods in the last days, are evidence of it's fulfilment then.
Saying that only ATP holds that belief, is quite wrong, I do and all the people I know who study prophecy do too. YOU are in the minority and your beliefs simply 'leave you in the dark' about what God has planned for our future.
If I've offended you, I apologize, but if the truth I speak offends you, then that cannot be helped. BTW, I am not a Jesuit Preterist, I am a Protestant Historicist, which cannot in any way be confused with Jesuit Preterism or the Jesuit Futurism to which you subscribe.

Furthermore, there is no gap in the 70 Weeks of Daniel, just as there was no gap in any other numerically specific time prophecy.
  • The 120 years before the Deluge was 120 years.
  • The 7 years of plenty in Egypt was 7 years.
  • The 7 years of famine were also 7 years.
  • The 40 years of wilderness wandering was 40 years.
  • The 70 years of Babylonian captivity was 70 years.
  • The 7 years insanity of Nebuchadnezzer was 7 years.
  • The 3 1/2 years of Elijah's famine was 3 1/2 years.
  • And the 70 Weeks of Daniel are 70 weeks, period.
I have shown that you have no Biblical precedent to insert a "gap" into the 70 Weeks. The burden of proof is on you, brother, to find just one numerically specific time prophecy in all of Scripture where a gap has been inserted to prove me wrong, or abandon Jesuit Futurism and join me in Protestant Historicism.