David Wilkerson's "The Vision"
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Prayer Warrior
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Changed the video in the OP. That insert in the original vid about vilification of Christians by associating them with the Christian Identity movement is interesting, but not really part of the original prophecy. I just posted that original video because it was the first one I came across when searching for the sermon on Youtube.
My apologies.
My apologies.
Do they teach on the Spirit-filled church receiving great supernatural empowerment to not only overcome but move in great signs and wonders during the end-times? : ) That was who he was talking about.
Yet another funny-fail!I don't know what you mean that you don't know what I mean.:
BTW, I am in the U.S.A.
Lame attempt at humor.
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No, not CB, LoL. Everything's fine here. Just personal stuff.
It's gonna be fine, but I can always use prayer, so thank you, sister : )
I just thought you meant Spirit filled teaching, not that it has to be this topic.
Care to discuss this topic?
Will there be a great end times awakening restoring the Church to like it was in the Apostolic era? Will there be a renewed flood of signs and wonders? And if so, what will those wonders signify?
Entirely up to you. I'm certain we have different views. When the Son of Man comes, will He even Find faith on the earth???
Much love!
By some definitions, you might still be considered a prophet, but, I guess that ultimately would make no difference.
Thank you!
Bobby Jo
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Disappoint? Yeah, some guy had nothing to say, but said it anyway. It's kind of like an AMAZON "Question" where someone asks about a specific performance/characteristic and an IDIOT responds with "I don't know". Did he/she add to the conversation? Did YOU add to the conversation?
How about re-thinking your response with something -- what's the word -- INTELLIGENT. Maybe asking: WHERE is the U.S. in Bible Prophecy? -- And of course I'd reply with: In the Psalms, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation, and maybe others.
And then you might ask: In what regards, and I'd reply with: In the context of WWII (including the use of atomic weapons); regarding our near future Middle East war; in context with events of the 1900's; and in context with the sequence of world empires and the one-world-government, -- respectively.
And then you'd say: Is Trump mentioned? And I'd reply: Maybe as one of the two Prophets, but Obama is specifically addressed for his hatred against Israel, for his impoverishment over his future legal bills, for his early death, for his children begging in the streets, and for the sins of his parents.
And you'd say: That's impossible. And then you'd miss what GOD has for YOU and for the CHURCH! :)
But you didn't ask,
Bobby Jo
People can and do believe almost anything. They frequently confuse believing with knowing. For me the knowledge is God's and sometimes He shares parts of His knowledge with you and me. Our problem is that often we cannot really tell the difference between what we believe and what we know. What we need to do is follow God carefully, listening and watching, all along the highway of holiness. Our eyesight and hearing will be improving if we are not too often quenching the Holy Spirit in us. As our perceptions are improving the errors and misunderstandings are being corrected within us.
Bobby Jo
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"Prophets" typically either pronounce or teach something from GOD. And it should be closer to 90/10 versus 10/90 (Nathaniel made a mistake).
But then again, some people's "definitions" are not always in agreement with the rest of GOD's creation.
Bobby Jo
Yes. But there are always two ways to look at everything, and the way Wilkerson presented the prophecy is the same way with every major vision I've read (and I truly wish I had time to put together a comparative on how many similarities exist between them, but I may not have that time. It would be a lot of work). Anyway, the measure to which the false church descends into spiritual corruption and sin will be matched by the measure to which the Spirit-filled church grows in empowerment. And THAT is the day I long for : ) I wish it would come NOW actually, and let the chaff blow where it may. But then, I'm not as caring and thoughtful of others as God is, and He is likely delaying things to wait for as many as possible before the real show starts.
But some people pine about the good old days when the US was a far more moral nation. I don't really miss it myself. Yes, we were more moral, but I don't see us as having been very spiritual. I don't give a hoot about a moral church with no power in it. In the NT, true Christianity was empowered by the Spirit of God to prove that Jesus Christ was God by manifesting great signs and wonders. And in the end-times, all believers will need to understand that they have to make a choice; that they will have to "come out from among them and be separate." I think Wilkerson referred to that in the video as well.
Apparently not! At least, not in a way that was appreciated!
Why?
Were you looking for intelligence?
I don't expect anyone to be able to respond intelligently to this post.
I guess it's true . . . he who seeks, finds.
As stated in the OP, marks, almost all of the vision is still set in the future. The only thing we can see at present are the trends, which appear to be going in the directions prophesied.
Yes, we need to be careful as I said on my other post to you, listening and watching, as the Holy Spirit enables us. The power of the Holy Spirit in us, I believe, is limited by what we have consumed of the Word to correctly direct us. Deciding not to read our Bible or listen to an anointed preacher/teacher is limiting God in us. When a person does not read or study or listen to the scriptures, the Holy Spirit in him [presuming he has received the Holy Spirit] has nothing to bring to Life within him understanding so that he will neither accept nor reject everything a person says to us. Rather the Holy Spirit will use the Living Word in us to sift what some other person presents... For any believer desirous of growing closer to God consuming the Word and drinking His blood are not optional. If we do not grow, like standing water, we will eventually stagnate because we are limiting the work of God within us.
Bobby Jo
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You cite a reference to the FAITHFULNESS of GOD, as though men were faithful. But even so, first you have to be a man. So man up.
Bobby Jo
I agree!
Certainly one who is really in touch with God at all should definitely moving away from such a lower ratio and toward a higher one and beyond. Jesus was beyond and as each of us gets to know Him better, we should also be doing better with prophecies or whatever work God has given us to do.
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