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The bible is not necessary for Christians. It is valuable and contributes to spiritual growth, but not necessary. The Bible was not sacrificed on a cross for our sins.
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Amen Aspen,The bible is not necessary for Christians. It is valuable and contributes to spiritual growth, but not necessary. The Bible was not sacrificed on a cross for our sins.
Without the Bible, you would not know that Jesus was sacrificed on the cross for sins. The proclamation of that marvellous message comes through Scripture.aspen said:The bible is not necessary for Christians. It is valuable and contributes to spiritual growth, but not necessary. The Bible was not sacrificed on a cross for our sins.
He also gave us the Bible for several reasons (see 2 Tim 3:16-17 ESV).mjrhealth said:Amen Aspen,
Christ is the only necessity to Life.
He did give us teh Holy Spirit for a reason.
In All His love
Really? So all the eye witness accounts had to be in written form or they are not considered valid? Bad news for the illiterate! I think you are confusing Christianity with Protestantism - if you were claiming that the Bible is necessary for Protestantism and Sola Scriptura then I would have to agree with you, but since both concepts were introduced 1500 years after Christ, neither are relevant to your question.OzSpen said:Without the Bible, you would not know that Jesus was sacrificed on the cross for sins. The proclamation of that marvellous message comes through Scripture.
Your view about the Bible not being necessary for Christians is proven false by considering the content of 2 Tim 3:16-17 (ESV): 'All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work'.
The Bible - Scripture - is NEEDED for teaching, reproof, correction and training in righteousness to complete and equip every Christian (people of God) for every good work.
I don't know where you are obtaining the information that the Bible is not necessary for Christians. Is that what your church is teaching?
Luke tells us in Luke 1:1-4 (ESV) that his narrative Gospel (written document) included information from others who had compiled narratives and those who were eyewitnesses had delivered information to him. Of course there was oral tradition in the beginning, BUT it became written narrative to pass on the Gospel and the teachings of Christ and the apostles.aspen said:Really? So all the eye witness accounts had to be in written form or they are not considered valid? Bad news for the illiterate! I think you are confusing Christianity with Protestantism - if you were claiming that the Bible is necessary for Protestantism and Sola Scriptura then I would have to agree with you, but since both concepts were introduced 1500 years after Christ, neither are relevant to your question.
Why didn't you respond to the information I provided that the issue of scriptural authority is NOT a Reformation doctrine? It was an issue long before the Reformation as Augustine's writings demonstrated - and I only chose example from one of Augustine's compositions.aspen said:If the Bible remained in oral form only, it would be just as authoritative, OZ - pretending that I've written anything else is intellectually dishonest. Jesus was the Word in flesh because He was and is the living form of the word. The Bible is a snapshot of the reality of the Gospel. Jesus alone is enough to communicate the gospel completely.
Also, you know as well as I do the word "sufficient" does not, in any manner communicate "exclusive" or "alone". Safeway may be sufficient to supply me with groceries, but that does not exclude other grocery stores.
Do you understand the meaning of theopneustos in 2 Tim 3:16-17 (ESV)? '16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work'mjrhealth said:Can some one explain to me How one God with one truth turened into 46 variations of teh truth.
The scriptures as Jesus said, tells you of Christ than just like He told teh people, than you are supposed to go to Christ. a bit like a GPS shows you your destnation. Problem is Christians have made the bible equal to God, some even elevate it above God, far to many have made it an idol and so never know God they just simply know about Him, There is a big difference.
In all His Love
Who are you saying is promoting God is a liar in this thread?mjrhealth said:Oh so God is a liar, what part of 46 different version of a truth can all be true. Either one is true ot they are all lies. God is true. Is the bible greater than God??
And so we know some of teh bible is scripture, which part.
In All His Love
I guess they are the versions where I'm able to discern the meaning in spite of disparate spelling and statements:mjrhealth said:Well Ozpen, whcih version would you like, the KJV, the MKJV teh New KJV teh amplified, teh inrernational NIV, should I go on, or is it the protestans version, teh catholic version teh Jehovah version which would you like,.
a house divided against itself cannot stand, is Christ didvided against Himself how can that be. There is a reason why God gives us teh holy spirirt, theer is a reason why Christ calls all men to Himself. Pity as He said so few find Him.
In All His Love
Why then did Jesus bother to refer to the Old Testament Scriptures?mjrhealth said:Interesting, our God who is infallible makes mistakes, only men could draw that reasoining,
Even the bible states that Jesus was the word of God come in the flesh, never ever did the bible make the claim that it was scripture nor did jesus ever say He would give us a book, He seems to have this strange claim about a Holy Spirit sent to show men the truth. But I guess if we have teh bible we dont need Him.
In ALl His :Love
Wow! Where did that come from? So let me understand, you are presuming that a certain percentage of the Christian community only read the Bible and don't give themselves over to Christ? That is entirely true, but try to tie your argument in with what you are originally getting at. Your responses seem to be a bit unorganized. And please, for the love of all that is holy, turn spell-check on.mjrhealth said:Interesting, our God who is infallible makes mistakes, only men could draw that reasoining,
Even the bible states that Jesus was the word of God come in the flesh, never ever did the bible make the claim that it was scripture nor did jesus ever say He would give us a book, He seems to have this strange claim about a Holy Spirit sent to show men the truth. But I guess if we have teh bible we dont need Him.
In ALl His :Love
No, I have the Holy Spirit, Jesus and God as an authority, there is no mention of any other... I would venture a guess that you see the KJV as an authority?
Have you not read,Wow! Where did that come from? So let me understand, you are presuming that a certain percentage of the Christian community only read the Bible and don't give themselves over to Christ?
Then say, "Which version of the truth is true?"Even the bible states that Jesus was the word of God come in the flesh, never ever did the bible make the claim that it was scripture nor did jesus ever say He would give us a book, He seems to have this strange claim about a Holy Spirit sent to show men the truth.