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BreadOfLife

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It is clear to all that the current and recent Popes are devotedly socialist. And how does the following description of facism not mirror Catholic dogma and practise down through the centuries?

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

That it came to prominence in 20th century Europe is somewhat of a miss. However...
Nonsense.
Whereas the current Pope has some leftist leanings - to claim that recent Popes were "devout Socialists" is just more manure.

As for the definition o Facism - you are again, reaching.
There is no "dictatorial power", nor is there "ultranationalism" forced on anyone. The fact that the Pope is Christ's representative does NOT mean that he "invents" or "imposes" his own doctrinesdoctrine.
He simply clarifies and defines doctrine that already exists.

Your ignorance is noted.
 

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Nonsense.
Whereas the current Pope has some leftist leanings - to claim that recent Popes were "devout Socialists" is just more manure.

As for the definition o Facism - you are again, reaching.
There is no "dictatorial power", nor is there "ultranationalism" forced on anyone. The fact that the Pope is Christ's representative does NOT mean that he "invents" or "imposes" his own doctrinesdoctrine.
He simply clarifies and defines doctrine that already exists.

Your ignorance is noted.
Spoken like a true warrior of the realm. How can there be no dictatorship or ultranationalism when you have a king with absolute power? And your , quote...He simply clarifies and defines doctrine that already exists.... Supports... Quote...- or misrepresenting it as YOU routinely do
 
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Perhaps you can clarify that statement?
Or are you content to simply lie and run?
Are you seriously suggesting that you never mislead anyone regarding either Catholicism or Protestantism? Really? There are entire threads going back years that testify to the opposite. I have no need to go into detail.
 

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Jesus never said it was going to be easy.
He said just the opposite . . .

Matt. 5:11-12

“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Matt. 16:24
Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

What do the Catholics believe "deny himself, take up the Cross, and follow me, means exactly?

Not a book please just short order BOL.
 

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It is clear to all that the current and recent Popes are devotedly socialist. And how does the following description of facism not mirror Catholic dogma and practise down through the centuries?

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

That it came to prominence in 20th century Europe is somewhat of a miss. However...
Pope Benedict was not a Socialist lefty at all, nor was Pope JP2. but within the RCC from what I have seen is their was plenty of lefty's that totally hated both of them Popes.
In Australia about 1972 the political left changed it's spots completely, they undermined the conservative values and ran with communist goals as a foundation.
With the creation of Vatican 2 was the start of a faction that was cunningly devised in peddling and going down the track of a worldly religion devoid of Christ Jesus and this is when the Satanist got more of a foot hold in undermining Christ Jesus and they worked to get poofters into the Priesthood and kick out anyone who was truly worthy of putting Jesus Christ first in their life, the Satanist within the RCC wanted only loyalty to the Pope first before Christ Jesus, but even tho they may push the Pope as a God, it's the corridors of power that they really are on about, now Popes may not play along with the powers that truly control the Church.
Pope JP2 tried to lead the Church but he was kicked in the face by them around him that he could not control that were beyond of his control and it's the same with Pope Ben, the Popes all warned of such powers within that were so evil, even Pope Paul warned of them within, Pope Ben when he was installed pleaded for people to pray for him, due to all the Satanist and poofters within the powers of the RCC.

The Same Satanist are and have been hard at work in undermining all Christian Churches for many years.

When Pope Frances came in all the Satanic Socialist in the RCC loved this idiot, that the MSM call the peoples Pope :rolleyes: that means, The Carnal Pope or Godless Pope or The Socialist Pope.
The rules once were that a Jesuit should never be a Pope.

What I have seen over the years is that the majority of people in the RCC are ignorant, as it is within all Churches ? and the ignorant idiots gain power with in a church in many ways, ether the Priest is a Satanist or Carnal dupe that is not born again and the rot sets in from their peddling worldly works.
I have talked to such Priest and clearly they do not know Jesus Christ and nor do the majority in the Church, they are into worldly works that any carnal fool can see is good, but such can be deceptions or such a one can be deceived by the workings because carnal people are under delusions. Because they have no depth in them they have only shallow roots and ignorance, they do not know God and they are idolising their own carnal gods in fact, like Socialism for one ? that is why you see fools who swallow trinkets of deceit, statues crying and such stupid superstitious nonsense and do not truly have respect for the Bible. sure they have a spirit but it's not the Holy Spirit.
 
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It is clear to all that the current and recent Popes are devotedly socialist. And how does the following description of facism not mirror Catholic dogma and practise down through the centuries?

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

That it came to prominence in 20th century Europe is somewhat of a miss. However...
Fascism is Communism as well far left authoritarian world domination characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

The Key is Socialism, without Socialism you have no Nazi or Communist, Socialism always uses Political Correctness to undermine the people, that's the Key to it's power, without Political Correctness the bastards have no power base to dominate over people and that's a fact.

Once Freedom of speech is gone, that's Fascism in a nut shell regardless, socialism works to slowly erode people rights to freedom of speech buy using Political Correctness, it's at war with such a concept as freedom, it's Anti-Christ !

Now I grew up in a society that strongly held that anyone could say what ever they want regardless, no one dared to say you can't say this or that, one respected all peoples right to freedom of speech, they were not worried if it offended anyone and if it was right or wrong what they were saying, that's what the person believes and he is entitled to his own views and not to mention, just because one is saying something that does not mean that people are going to swallow what he is saying at all, but to the Socialist powers such a one sure as hell fears such a one, because they may be a threat to their pack of delusions and yellow belled lies.
 

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Actually, your entire point circles the drain because I have repeatedly stated the criteria for what makes a person an "anti" Catholic.

LOL, "YOUR criteria" is clear... Disagree with your self-imposed authority on Catholism, IS repeatedly YOUR QUE, to CALL another person "anti-Catholic".

[ QUOTE] It is a person who resorts to LYING about what Catholic believe and teach - or misrepresenting it as YOU routinely do [/QUOTE]

LOL, Me repeating "comments" on what a person who "claims" to be Catholic has said, does not make me a "liar"!
(But then I can not EXPLAIN "common sense" to you.)


For the record - I haven't lied about or misrepresented ANY Protestant teaching or practice - ...

LOL - You admittedly a Catholic from cradle....(and Obviously an "authority" on Protestant Teaching)....Sounds like Catholic Teaching, includes Protestant Teaching...(as an Opposite to AVOID).... but not anti-Protestant.... LOL :p
 

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Spoken like a true warrior of the realm. How can there be no dictatorship or ultranationalism when you have a king with absolute power? And your , quote...He simply clarifies and defines doctrine that already exists.... Supports... Quote...- or misrepresenting it as YOU routinely do
Throughout much of history, countries like Spain and England were in conflict with one another.
Ummmmm . . .exactly WHICH side did the Pope "demand" that Catholics pledge their undying "ultranationalism" to?
 

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LOL, "YOUR criteria" is clear... Disagree with your self-imposed authority on Catholism, IS repeatedly YOUR QUE, to CALL another person "anti-Catholic".

LOL, Me repeating "comments" on what a person who "claims" to be Catholic has said, does not make me a "liar"!
(But then I can not EXPLAIN "common sense" to you.)

LOL - You admittedly a Catholic from cradle....(and Obviously an "authority" on Protestant Teaching)....Sounds like Catholic Teaching, includes Protestant Teaching...(as an Opposite to AVOID).... but not anti-Protestant.... LOL
Like I said - I've caught MOST of you in lies regarding what Catholics believe and/or teach - and not ONE of you has caught ME lying about a single Protestant teaching.

And that's the difference, son . . .
 

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What do the Catholics believe "deny himself, take up the Cross, and follow me, means exactly?
Not a book please just short order BOL.
The very act of denying one's own will in order to do the will of God is denying oneself.
Taking up your "cross" to follow Him can be something as easily explained as enduring persecution for your faith on a "Christian" Forum . . .
 
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It is clear to all that the current and recent Popes are devotedly socialist. And how does the following description of facism not mirror Catholic dogma and practise down through the centuries?

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

That it came to prominence in 20th century Europe is somewhat of a miss. However...

I don't study Catholicism...but listen to Catholics speak their POV...even beyond the "Catholic authority; BreadofLife"

Some of the things they "claim", is "utterly" bizarre.
And "viewing" their "supposed" Biblical Support "for their claims"...appears moreso as a circle of "therefore MUST BE'... then "factual Scriptural Verification".
And the Backup, "reasoning" ... is well, their "conclusion" IS FACTUAL, "Because sola-Scripta" is NOT a necessary means of "Verification".
THAT ^ simply ends in a "useless circular discussion".

As much as BOL, can say, "some Catholics are ignorant" of Catholic teaching...it is OBVIOUS, not "ALL" Catholics are Believing "THE SAME THINGS"...
BUT... if it is Protestants, "NOT BELIEVING ALL the SAME things"....according to BOL...
"They are splintered"...LOL...:D
* The Fact is PEOPLE are INDIVIDUALS... regardless of "denomination" different ages, different hearing, reading, study habits... OF course they are at "uneven" distances on the straight and narrow path.
* I hardly think that MAKES people Liars!

AS far as the Catholic Popes (260+? Excluding the "unknowingly "supposed" Pope Peter" ...they are individuals too...with Personal "ideas", "views", that did not parallel "other Popes", but become "Factual" Teachings.
TOO MUCH, hanging on One mans Opinion, and a handful in submission to One mans Opinion discussed in a Council.
Agree...the current Catholic Pope, leans with advocacy toward secular views.
 
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Like I said - I've caught MOST of you in lies regarding what Catholics believe and/or teach - and not ONE of you has caught ME lying about a single Protestant teaching.

And that's the difference, son . . .

Ya, Ya, so YOU claim.
Apparently you are have difficulty comprehending, YOU "speaking FOR" others and YOUR "claims FOR" others;
have been NOTED extensively...AS Irrelevant...and brushed aside AS that's YOU, tooting your own horn and DEFLECTING.
 

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I don't study Catholicism...but listen to Catholics speak their POV...even beyond the "Catholic authority; BreadofLife"

Some of the things they "claim", is "utterly" bizarre.
And "viewing" their "supposed" Biblical Support "for their claims"...appears moreso as a circle of "therefore MUST BE'... then "factual Scriptural Verification".
And the Backup, "reasoning" ... is well, their "conclusion" IS FACTUAL, "Because sola-Scripta" is NOT a necessary means of "Verification".
THAT ^ simply ends in a "useless circular discussion".

As much as BOL, can say, "some Catholics are ignorant" of Catholic teaching...it is OBVIOUS, not "ALL" Catholics are Believing "THE SAME THINGS"...

Yes, those are known as dissidents - not faithful Catholics.

You can find dissidents in just about EVERY denomination of Protestantism. That's why there are tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines based on the opinions of various dissidents.
 

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Ya, Ya, so YOU claim.
Apparently you are have difficulty comprehending, YOU "speaking FOR" others and YOUR "claims FOR" others;
have been NOTED extensively...AS Irrelevant...and brushed aside AS that's YOU, tooting your own horn and DEFLECTING.
Tell you what, next time I lie - point it out.
Good luck . .
 

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Yes, those are known as dissidents - not faithful Catholics.

You can find dissidents in just about EVERY denomination of Protestantism. That's why there are tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines based on the opinions of various dissidents.

LOL - "Protestants are soooo splintered and disjointed...."?
That's funny...Pretty confident, a Free Will-ing man Converted in Christ ALL belong to Christ's "ONE" Church.
THAT is the whole ball of wax, that IS Christ's teaching.
If you are "disjointed" because some "Protestant Denominations"....don't dance, don't cut their hair, only wear dresses, meet on Saturday, Receive the Holy Spirit BY "their" heartful confession of Belief, Don't uphold an earthly man with a Title Reserved for God, and on and on....NO ONE CARES, if that is your PEEVE, that YOU try to MAKE "derogatory" with your whacky "name calling".

Best you get busy with what you call "ignorant Catholics", and get them all on the same "in-DOCTRINATION" page, of what they are "supposed to Believe".

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LOL - "Protestants are soooo splintered and disjointed...."?
That's funny...Pretty confident, a Free Will-ing man Converted in Christ ALL belong to Christ's "ONE" Church.
THAT is the whole ball of wax, that IS Christ's teaching.
If you are "disjointed" because some "Protestant Denominations"....don't dance, don't cut their hair, only wear dresses, meet on Saturday, Receive the Holy Spirit BY "their" heartful confession of Belief, Don't uphold an earthly man with a Title Reserved for God, and on and on....NO ONE CARES, if that is your PEEVE, that YOU try to MAKE "derogatory" with your whacky "name calling".

Best you get busy with what you call "ignorant Catholics", and get them all on the same "in-DOCTRINATION" page, of what they are "supposed to Believe".
"Name-calling"??

Did I call you something?
Been there, Done that....when "caught", you DEFLECT. Yawn!
Actually - you haven't been there OR done that because I've never lied about what Protestants believe or teach.
I leave the lying up to YOU guys . .
 

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The very act of denying one's own will in order to do the will of God is denying oneself.
Taking up your "cross" to follow Him can be something as easily explained as enduring persecution for your faith on a "Christian" Forum . . .

lol, is it that bad, the persecution? Catholics usually do a pretty good job of just letting it go, from what I've seen anyway.

I have a slightly different take on that.

"deny oneself" is to deny ones own strength and ability, will-power, depending totally on Christ.

"take up the Cross" looking to what Christ did on the Cross as the source of meeting all my needs.

"following Him" lol, not so much enduring persecution, but a dedicated life of faith in Him.
 

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lol, is it that bad, the persecution? Catholics usually do a pretty good job of just letting it go, from what I've seen anyway.

I have a slightly different take on that.

"deny oneself" is to deny ones own strength and ability, will-power, depending totally on Christ.

"take up the Cross" looking to what Christ did on the Cross as the source of meeting all my needs.

"following Him" lol, not so much enduring persecution, but a dedicated life of faith in Him.
And apparently, you can't read . . .

Go back and actually R*E**A*D my post and you'll see that you pretty much just repeated what I said.
 

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And apparently, you can't read . . .

Go back and actually R*E**A*D my post and you'll see that you pretty much just repeated what I said.

No my friend, it's not the same. Your "denying ones own will, is not the same as mine!

My self-will is denied in the sense of being led by the Spirit, denying my strength and ability to lead my life in a pleasing way before the Lord. I don't do anything to save myself, or keep myself saved, or to sanctify myself. It's all done by Him through my faith.

The believer of Catholicism cannot say that!