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Discussion in 'Christian Spirituality Forum' started by Webers_Home, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    I have not accused you of anything. I have simply told you that Mother Teresa is none of your business.
     
  2. tzcho2

    tzcho2 Well-Known Member

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    Well, ya you did actually , you said there is no point in berating mt and you quoted my post.
     
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    Phoneman777 Well-Known Member

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    ARE YOU INSANE???!!!

    It is the PAPACY, not Protestantism, which exalts tradition over the Word of God and concocts human precepts to supplant the precepts of God, like Sunday sacredness in place of God's seventh day Sabbath, the abolition of the Second Commandment which forbids bowing and praying to images so that the statue of Jupiter the "god of death" renamed "St. Peter" could have his toe kissed off (through centuries of lying, pedophile papists leading the poor catholic faithful to venerate these monuments to papal error), and the splitting up of the Tenth Commandment into two separate commandments so that we can bring the number back up to Ten.

    To suggest that Matthew 15 applies to Protestantism is perhaps the most asinine thing I've ever seen you post, DB.​
     
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  4. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Once again, your total ignorance of ALL things Catholic is at the root of your asinine posts.

    However - it IS funny how you keep pointing fingers at the Catholic Church and “pedophile priests” when this filth is going on in your OWN SDA backyard . . .

    https://dumaslawgroup.com/finding-justice-for-victims-of-sexual-abuse-in-the-seventh-day-adventist-church/
    Like other religious organizations and institutions of trust, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has a long and disappointing history of child sex abuse . . .
    https://atoday.org/abuse-is-a-challenge-for-the-adventist-church-new-campaign-is-launched-to-counter-it/
    Although the number of cases has not reached the crisis level that it has in some denominations, the Seventh-day Adventist Church does face an incidence of abuse suffered by its children and teens sufficient to result in the launch of a new, world-wide campaign . . .

    https://www.crewjanci.com/sda-abuse/
    The Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church . . . SDA pastors, elders, teachers, and Pathfinder leaders have taken advantage of children within the Church’s care, violating their positions of trust and authority in order to exploit vulnerable parishioners who look to the Church for protection and support.


    Your hypocrisy is disgusting . . .
     
  5. Webers_Home

    Webers_Home Well-Known Member

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    "The Scriptures are sacred and canonical because: Having been written by
    inspiration of the Holy Ghost, they have God for their author, and as such
    have been handed down to the Church"
    (Vatican Council; Sess. III, c. ii)

    "In its pages we recognize His voice, we hear a message of deep significance
    for every one of us. Through the spiritual dynamism and prophetic force of
    the Bible, the Holy Spirit spreads His light and His warmth over all men, in
    whatever historical or sociological situation they find themselves."
    (Paulus PP
    VI, from the Vatican, September 18, 1970)


    According to that Vatican Council and to Paulus PP VI; when people listen to
    the Bible; they are listening to the voice of God, and also listening to that
    which the Holy Spirit utilizes to spread His light and His warmth over all men
    in whatever historical or sociological situation they find themselves.

    Now the tragedy is: Teresa's counselors didn't turn to the Holy Bible to
    analyze her spiritual problems; as a result, they were just as baffled as
    she was and no help at all. It's awful to think that the very people that the
    poor woman depended upon so heavily might just as well been oil field
    roughnecks and shipyard welders because they were utterly incompetent as
    shepherds.

    You know; when your ship is sinking and another sinking ship is sent to your
    rescue; you're in really big, big trouble because at that point, no amount of
    prayer and sympathy will keep you from going to Davy Jones.
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  6. Phoneman777

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    Papist Dead Bread, no one denies sexual deviancy is a problem in all areas of life, including God's remnant church.

    But, for you to equate that with the global, epidemic, systematic child sex abuse and cover up of such abuse that has taken place in Satan's flagship organization which is headquartered in Rome is incredible.

    For years, the Catholic church has systematically, institutionally worked with attorneys who have turned catholic clergy child sex abuse into a cottage industry while operating under the supposed auspices of "God's true church". Keeping rapists priests under their watchful care instead of under the jail, handing out hush money instead of handing these sick individuals over for prosecution, REWARDING CARDINAL LAW WITH THE PRESTIGIOUS APPOINTMENT AS ARCHPRIEST OF THE BASILLICA DI SANTA MARIA MAGGIORE IN ROME when he fled his Diocese in Boston just after the wheels of justice began turning in his path so that this twisted freak of nature could escape prosecution via the Vatican citizenship that appointment conveys...

    Now that's what's disgusting.
     
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    By members of most denominations there have been horrible violent sins/crimes committed, not in the same quantity as the Baptists and Catholics, yet at the worst levels of iniquity. Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, a member of Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas, an elected president of the church council and Cub Scout Leader, murdered ten woman.

    John List of Westfield, NJ, a Lutheran, ran a car pool for shut-in church members and shot to death his entire family of five members.

    Graham Caphill, a former leader of Christian Heritage New Zealand was sentenced to nine-year imprisonment term in 2005 after multiple charges of child sexual abuse against girls younger than twelve.

    And there are more.
     
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    I believe that could very well be the case for many who have profoundly experienced disenchantment, disillusionment and hopelessness. We've been taught to command our souls to "hope thou in God" as David did, to take authority over our imaginations. Perhaps spiritual warfare, as we understand it in these days, was not well understood by Mother Teresa. Charismatic Catholics are learning to fight the good fight of faith, to rebuke the devil, to fast, and all those things that are demanded if we want to see not only our own souls set free from deep burdens, but for devils to come out of those being demonized.
     
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    Matt 27:46 . . And about three o’clock Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli,
    Eli, lema sabachthani?
    ” which means, “My God, my God, why have you
    forsaken me?”

    Jesus resided in the land of Israel for roughly 33 years. Other than six hours
    on the cross, he was connected to God the whole time.

    John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me
    alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

    Jesus was deserted for a special purpose; which he fully understood.

    John 11:27 . . I am troubled now. Yet what should I say? ‘Father, save me
    from this hour’? But it was for this purpose that I came to this hour.

    Whereas Teresa could not see any discernable purpose in her own situation.

    "Sometimes-- I just hear my own heart cry out-- "My God" and nothing else
    comes-- the torture and pain I can't explain"

    Jesus' abandonment didn't last even one whole day; whereas Teresa's lasted
    nigh to five decades, i.e. 18,250 days; viz: their respective abandonments
    are not even close to a reasonable comparison.

    In addition: Jesus' prayers are always heard, even the ones he prayed on
    the cross.

    John 11:41 . . Jesus raised his eyes and said, “Father, I thank you for
    hearing me. I know that you always hear me

    Teresa's prayers were pings.

    "When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting
    emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my
    very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."

    Jesus eventually went to heaven. In point of fact, Jesus knew his afterlife
    destination before it came to pass.

    John 17:11 . . And now I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the
    world, while I am coming to You.

    Teresa wasn't even confident that a God exists, let alone confident about her
    afterlife destination.

    "The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment
    with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I
    feel that God does not want me, that God is not God; and that He does not
    really exist."

    Jesus was confident that God loved him.

    John 17:24 . . Father, you loved me before the foundation of the world.

    Teresa was not so sure about it.

    "I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
    emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."
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  10. JohnPaul

    JohnPaul Well-Known Member

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    The sad thing is that when she died, which was a month after Princess Diana died, the Princess of Wales got more coverage and praise than did Mother Teresa.
     
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    I always wondered what Jesus meant by the above words, if he willingly died on the cross for our sins, why would he question God the Father about being forsaken?
     
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    :p
    For the record the westboro church were not "baptists" they were a hate-filled cult group that called themselves a "baptist church" , which they were able to do because it is not like other denominations like lutherans or anglicans or pentecostals etc... that have an authority that "baptist" churches submit to . Unlike other denominations they can be completely independent , unrelated and and have no controlling collective authority over them.
     
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    Hi JP,
    I've always thought it was His humanity crying out like that. God cannot look upon sin
    "Your eyes are too pure to look on evil; you cannot tolerate wrongdoing. Why then do you tolerate the treacherous? Why are you silent while the wicked swallow up those more righteous than themselves?"
    Habakuk 1:13
    And, Jesus took on ALL sin at once so...God had to look away for that period of time? Just my thoughts on why He cried out like that... :)
     
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    Who is writing of only the Westboro group? Have you seen the latest figures from within the SBC? Sex abuse crisis tops agenda as Southern Baptists convene
     
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    Jesus was not questioning the Father. He was crying out in His indescribable agony because there was indeed a temporary forsaking of the Son by the Father. He knew the "why" but He had not experienced that depth of suffering until that time.
     
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    Thank you Enoch111, now I understand.
     
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    Didn't know you were referring to sexual attacks in churches. The male sexual predators seek places of authority to prey on their victims, though it happens from hollywood to churches, but the powerful RCC is notorious for hiding their decades long , wide spread problem & moving the priests out of an area. The problem the rcc seems to spring from their so called celibate priesthood, which has been a haven for the homosexual problems with abuse.
     
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    My guess is that his question wasn't direct, rather, quite possibly soliloquy
    because there's more to it in Psalm 22.

    Jesus instructed his followers that the Psalms speak of him. (Luke 24:44-46)
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    Thank you Webers_Home.
     
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    Rom 8:16 . .The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are
    children of God.

    The Greek word for "bears witness" means to corroborate; which Webster's
    defines as: to support with evidence. So then genuine children of God know
    so because the Spirit has gone to the trouble of proving it to them beyond a
    shadow of sensible doubt. In other words: the real children of God are
    confident that their names are written in heaven.

    Here's an item of interest that isn't talked about much.

    Rom 8:15 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery again to fear;
    but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out: Abba,
    Father!

    Abba is an Aramaic word. It refers to one's male parent but not as an
    ordinary noun. It's a filial vocative.

    For example: When my son points me out to one of his friends and says
    "That's my dad over there." he's not using dad as a vocative. But when he
    shouts "Hey dad, I'm over here!" then he's using dad to get my attention.
    That's a vocative.

    Rom 8:15 is saying that the spirit of adoption compels "we" to call out to a
    father rather than a mother. So then, people in the habit of calling out to
    Jesus' mom instead of his Father, are not the Father's children because the
    spirit of adoption would never compel them to do that.

    The spirit of adoption, as it turns out, is the spirit of God's son.

    Gal 4:6 . . As proof that you are children, God sent the spirit of His son
    into our hearts, crying out: Abba, Father!

    The spirit of His son compels the children to pray to Jesus' Father, never to
    his mother because Jesus never prayed to his mother. So then, people
    compelled by the spirit of His son will address their prayers to Jesus' Father
    same as he did.

    What does that tell us about Mother Teresa and her devotion to Jesus'
    mother? Well obviously the reason she was comfortable addressing prayers
    to Mary was because didn't have the spirit of His son in her heart; and she
    knew it too.

    "The place of God in my soul is blank-- There is no God in me-- He is not
    there-- God does not want me"

    People lacking the spirit of His son are not His son's sheep.

    Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
    belong to Christ.
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