Did God create Adam AFTER the first week of Creation?

[Renniks]

Does this make it sound like there is more than one Adam or not? "the last Adam,"

No! In context, it obviously means the second Adam is Jesus. Which you would know if you read Corinthians 15.

 

[Renniks]

Does that semicolon mean it is now talking about a different Adam?

Yes, the first is Adam, the second is Jesus.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

No! In context, it obviously means the second Adam is Jesus. Which you would know if you read Corinthians 15.

You're not getting what it would mean if we have been misinterpreting it this whole time. We would have a reason for the evolution bones ..and kill the excuse.

 

[Renniks]

You're not getting what it would mean if we have been misinterpreting it this whole time. We would have a reason for the evolution bones ..and kill the excuse.

There are no evolution bones. There are bones that can be interpreted in different ways depending on what the person interpretation thinks happened in unrecorded history. And the whole chapter that I gave you is obviously about Jesus, not about chimps or half-humans or whatever.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I would gladly admit to it being Jesus if you could show me. You tried but it didn't fit the bill.

 

[101G]

First of all, Genesis 1:9-13 does not correspond to Genesis 2:4-7.

what's wrong? cannot comprehend? just READ.

The weird thing is that in Genesis 1, the plants are created in the 3rd day, and man is created in the 6th day.

ERROR, Mankind was created on Day 6, male and female, the sexes. MAN the one and First man was "formed" on day 3.
Genesis Chapter 2 gives us a detailed account of Chapter 1. example, you alway believe that the animales was formed before man.. correct... WRONG, listen, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."
HOLD IT, Adam was here before the animals. even the wing fowl of the air, which was on day 5, Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."
Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth."
Genesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."
Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."
NOTICE VERSE 23, on day 5 the winged fowl was made, but back to Chapter 2 verses 18 & 19, listen,
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."
BINGO, the fowl was made on Day 5, so Adam the Man was here before day 5.... read the scriptures.
see when one read the Bible, I highly suggest you read with the Holy Ghost. see the information in chapter 2 that destroys the wisdom teaching of man.
I suggest you re-read Genesis Chapter 1,2,3,4,5 and 6, closley.


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[pittsburghjoe]

There are no evolution bones. There are bones that can be interpreted in different ways depending on what the person interpretation thinks happened in unrecorded history. And the whole chapter that I gave you is obviously about Jesus, not about chimps or half-humans or whatever.

• 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

Did the fall of Adam and Eve cause all other existing animal Humans to be granted souls? Or was it only through their offspring?

• Roman's 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned

 

[Renniks]

• 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

Did the fall of Adam and Eve cause all other existing animal Humans to be granted souls? Or was it only through their offspring?

• Roman's 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned

That's some far out crap. Better quit smoking that stuff

 

[pittsburghjoe]

That's some far out crap. Better quit smoking that stuff

Does suggesting that the last Adam is the man God formed with a soul and put in the Garden ..somehow take something away from Jesus?

 

[Renniks]

Does suggesting that the last Adam is the man God formed with a soul and put in the Garden ..somehow take something away from Jesus?

Yes, because it's nonsense, and the Bible never claims such a thing.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

• For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
• (Romans 8:20-21)

"For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly,"
Creation became pointless with satan causing it to fall because no one could be saved.

"but because of Him who subjected it in hope;"
God forced hope into it by introducing a man with a soul.

"because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."
Satan caused the bondage of corruption and we are being delivered away from it.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

• For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

The whole creation became fallen?

 

[Cooper]

If so, would that mean He started humans without souls in the first week?

God created man on the sixth day ..but does that have to mean Adam? Could Adam be the first man with a soul and placed in the safe-zone Garden? That would mean when Adam and Eve fell they had other humans (without souls) to procreate with. The other animal humans were already fallen when satan brought his corruption to Earth.

• Roman's 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned

Is the above saying there were other humans besides Adam and Eve?

• And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Adam and Eve didn't multiply until after the fall ..so was this about the soulless humans?

Did the following happen after the first week of Creation?

• And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
• 8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Did God create Adam with fallen Earth? Is it similar in that Jesus was "made Him to be sin"? Adam was made of fallen Earth, but it didn't give him the knowledge of the Tree because he was innocent.

• Genesis 3:19 (King James Version): In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

When satan fell, did he take the Earth down with him? Did God then decide to start humans that had souls this time?

How does a good God give a morality test to humans unless they are able to sin?
God swapped the problem of satan into a solution to find worthy souls for infinity.
It doesn't matter if God knew Adam and Eve would eventually fall because we are given a way to be saved. We became about ourselves here, we got the ability to sin ..separated from God. This morality test is about picking Jesus or the sins that are possible here. The test only matters because of what Jesus did.

God doesn't create evil, but is there a rule that says He can't create something out of fallen Earth if the finished object ends up innocent?
Was the rest of the Garden made of fallen Earth, but in God's good grace? Was the Garden a weird mix of physical and physics that didn't have decay, death, and entropy?

Did satan highjack wave collapse causing corrupted physical history for soulless humans that were already here? Was evolution put in place? Would that mean evolution can't be used as an excuse anymore?

In the beginning God created man, male and female he made them. The Hebrew word for man is adamah and the translators rendered it as Adam. It was not his name. There wasn't anyone to christen him. The First man we know called Adam was the father of Cain and Able. They were living in the Bronze Age about 5,000 years ago. Pre-historic man had been around a long time before the Jews wrote their history in the Bible. Quill pens, ink, and papyrus had not been invented, come to think of it neither had the alphabet.

 

[Cooper]

First of all, Genesis 1:9-13 does not correspond to Genesis 2:4-7.

If it corresponds to anything, it corresponds to Genesis 2: 8-9.

The weird thing is that in Genesis 1, the plants are created in the 3rd day, and man is created in the 6th day. But in Genesis 2, man is seemingly formed before there was plants on the earth. Interesting, man is formed in Genesis 2:4-7 and then plants in Genesis 2:8-9.

Can you explain this difference in order between Genesis 1 and 2?

Chapters one and two were written by different people. Four people were involved in the writing of the OT, more than four wrote the New Testament as you will know.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Could the last Adam be man with Jesus inside him? Does having a soul mean to have Jesus inside us?

 

[Cooper]

Could the last Adam be man with Jesus inside him? Does having a soul mean to have Jesus inside us?

If you invite Jesus into your heart and life according to Revelation 3:20 this is what happens

8 Verses that Show Jesus Christ Lives in You | Bibles for America Blog

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[pittsburghjoe]

If you invite Jesus into your heart and life this is what happens.

8 Verses that Show Jesus Christ Lives in You | Bibles for America Blog

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I don't think we have to invite Him to be there. If we want infinite peace we do.

 

[Cooper]

I don't think we have to invite Him to be there. If we want infinite peace we do.

Well, natural man has a heart of sin, but where Jesus is, Satan flees away. So, if you want to be a sinner don't ask Jesus into your heart and life, but if you want to be cleansed of all sin, then repent of your wrong doing, ask Christ's forgiveness as we do when we say the Lord's Prayer, and invite Jesus into your heart. He is already knocking at your heart's door.
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[pittsburghjoe]

Well, natural man has a heart of sin, but where Jesus is, Satan flees away. So, if you want to be a sinner don't ask Jesus into your heart and life, but if you want to be cleansed of all sin, then repent of your wrong doing, ask Christ's forgiveness as we do when we say the Lord's Prayer, and invite Jesus into your heart. He is already knocking at your heart's door.
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So was it only the last Adam that automatically had Jesus in his heart? Or is Jesus our soul, but it isn't worth anything unless we open the door?

 

[Cooper]

Could the last Adam be man with Jesus inside him? Does having a soul mean to have Jesus inside us?

By the way, Jesus is the First and the Last, He is the altogether lovely, and he is the Alpha and the Omega.
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