Ok. I guess that would mean, "Yes", I am also a recipient of a 'negative' reaction to anticipating more Christians being saved than not.
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Hello @Harvest 1874
Not being able to sleep tonight, I have been reading through your posts throughout the thread, and have enjoyed your clarity: but forgive me, for I have to ask you directly if you are a Universalist? You appear to be so, for you maintain that 'all' will be saved.
Also, you say that you are not affiliated to any denomination or body of people, but you speak in terms of 'we': 'we' being 'Bible students' like yourself I have presumed, yet, you must be part of a body of like-minded people, to be able to speak so confidently in terms of 'we'.
I am wary, for I am drawn to your clarity, but I do not believe that it is the testimony of scripture that 'all' will be saved, and recent exchanges reveal differences in our understanding.
This is sad, for I feel you have much to offer, but when I get alarm signals sounding, I generally retreat, and go back to, 'my Bible and me,' in isolation. I too am not affiliated to any denomination, or company of people, though my influence has been the written and audio ministry of the 'Berean Publishing Trust', in London, through such writers as Dr E.W. Bullinger, Mr Charles Welch, and Mr Stuart Allen, to which I owe a debt of gratitude.
Thankfully, we are all God's workmanship,
Praise His Name!
Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
i would say 'yes,' with the understanding that Jesus is referring to our desire there, not reality, "when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man..." ("but you will not be able to")Whereas it is His bodily presence that is being referred to in Luke 17:20-22, isn't it?
Ok. I guess that would mean, "Yes", I am also a recipient of a 'negative' reaction to anticipating more Christians being saved than not.
In regards to the reference of my usage of the term "we" and "our" I (myself) am speaking as a Bible Student, that is those who believe in the Divine Plan of the Ages, this of course does not imply that all the brethren share the same opinions on every issue, all are free to believe or to interpret the text as they please, this is our liberty which we have received in Christ Jesus, however on most of the fundamental teachings of the scriptures we are in agreement. Note it was never our intention to misled anyone.
As for your question concerning Universalism, the following should suffice for now, I will be posting a further explanation to my blog shortly, entitle "A Life for a Life", I believe once you have examined it you will better understand where we are coming from.
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; who will have (unconditionally) ALL MEN to be saved (from the original Adamic curse), and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom FOR ALL, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim 2:3-6)
Understand that we are not Universalist, God having saved (redeemed) all men from the original curse which was upon Adam and his race does not guarantee everlasting life to any, he merely releases us from the original sentence, brought upon us by Adam’s sin. Eternal salvation will be determined upon the conclusion of the trial (a new trial) of each individual, the Church presently during this the Gospel Age as each prospective member of the body passes beyond the Vail of death, and the remainder of the world by the end of the Mediatorial reign at the end of the millennial age.
Thank you for responding, @Harvest 1874,
I hope you were not offended by me.
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris
Many prophecies have already been fulfilled (such as the beginnings and endings of previous dispensations and ages, specific events such as the, flood, the beginning of the Law dispensation, Israel’s “seventy years” of desolation, the First Advent and etc.) it’s not all that hard to find specific dates on these events (not exact days, but specific years now that’s possible), a good beginning would be through study of the True Bible Chronology which will greatly aid in this endeavor.
then why destroy those who destroy the earth? Why pray "on earth as it is in heaven?"
ah. Capital t huh?The "Lord's Prayer" is a prayer for Tribulation Saints -
um, you mean literal bread?For instance - give us this day our daily bread...when would we, in the age of Grace, require this?
ah. Capital t huh?
um, you mean literal bread?
Hello @Harvest 1874
(Ref:#64. P.4)
Would you please be kind enough to tell me where to look for what you term, 'the True Bible Chronology', so that I can see for myself what you are referring to.
Also, I would be interested to learn to what your references in (#2. P1.) to (SITS Vol.1, page 65-75) and (Harvest Gleanings 3. Page 252) refer, so that I too can make reference to these works, if possible.
In, #13, in response to @Stranger you explained the meaning of 'SITS', but I would value a link to these works online if that is possible.
Thank you,
In Christ Jesus
Chris
hmm, imo the symbology of bread is pretty plain, but for all i know you might get wool from the Lamb of God i guess. Plenty of ppl hungry in developed countries too thoughDid the nation need literal bread when in the wilderness? Will the nation need bread again in the tribulation...when they can't take the mark, buy or sell? Does bread not mean bread in English? Why pick and choose which verses to spiritualize - God spoke simply to us via the word, so we could understand, not guess - otherwise there would be thousands of made up meanings to what should be plainly read.
So yes - bread.
Sorry I have not gotten back to you sooner, work has kept me busy of late, and I got behind on the discussions. By the time I got back most of my alerts were for another thread and I just about forgot about this one until someone posted something new.
As for the True Bible Chronology and the Studies in the Scriptures series they can be found on numerous Bible Student web sites, this is one which might prove helpful (Volumes Index) they have a lot of useful content. I linked you right to the pages with the SITS studies, but there's a lot more information to be found on the site.
Presently I am working on a bit by bit presentation of the True Bible Chronology on my blog here, you go to the site presented and find the whole thing, but some find it hard to read large blocks of information so I'm breaking it down in simple segments which I hope are much easier to digest.
Your servant, Harvest 1874
"Manna"Did the nation need literal bread when in the wilderness? Will the nation need bread again in the tribulation...when they can't take the mark, buy or sell? Does bread not mean bread in English? Why pick and choose which verses to spiritualize - God spoke simply to us via the word, so we could understand, not guess - otherwise there would be thousands of made up meanings to what should be plainly read.
So yes - bread.
hmm, you know this is a curse right, not related to manna i don't think; good for contrast if that's what you were shooting for?14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
I don't see a curse that you claim, I see the tribulation church actually in a literal wilderness being fed literal manna from heaven as the tribuation takes place.hmm, you know this is a curse right, not related to manna i don't think; good for contrast if that's what you were shooting for?
ok, then we might approach this from the "feed them the rod" thing, or reflect on the fact that the Wanderers complained about the manna lolI don't see a curse that you claim, I see the tribulation church actually in a literal wilderness being fed literal manna from heaven as the tribuation takes place.
I don't see a curse that you claim, I see the tribulation church actually in a literal wilderness being fed literal manna from heaven as the tribuation takes place.
We will disagree, I see that Revelation 12:6 & Micah 7:11-16 applying to physical geographical locations around present Israel, and a physical future tribulation that will be fed in future wilderness locations identified, as the world watches astounded, I don't believe it's symbolic, but a future literal event.ok, then we might approach this from the "feed them the rod" thing, or reflect on the fact that the Wanderers complained about the manna lol
Micah is using the symbology of feeding in "Bashan and Gilead" there to mean as applying to "them that dwell therein," "which dwell solitarily in the woods," iow they have a bad dogma, bad food, not good food; or at least they have "made the land desolate" right. "As in the days of old" is an indicator, and the locations of Bashan and Gilead, "east," is another clue there. As is the association with "oaks," which imply "inferior school of thought."
"thy rod, the flock..." can even be associated with quail for that i guess.
Now, will they nonetheless be shown marvellous things, after the pattern of the coming out of Egypt?
sure, but now the subject has changed; or if it remains the same, we have to see that the marvellous things were shown in the eating of the quail, at least for those who...had an inferior school of thought @ "manna." so to speak
(the most extreme of them died, for anyone unfam with the story; so 'marvellous' might not be the best translation there lol)