Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[reformed1689]

I know they were quoted accurately because I know the Bible doesn't lie.

Yet you question parts of the Bible? You aren't making any sense.

 

[Bob Estey]

Yet you question parts of the Bible? You aren't making any sense.

I know the writings of Peter and Paul are genuine - that doesn't mean they wrote down exactly what God told them to write down 100% of the time.

There is a lot to learn from Peter and Paul - they were great men. That doesn't make them perfect. Your pastor might be a great man, but that doesn't make him perfect.

 

[reformed1689]

I know the writings of Peter and Paul are genuine - that doesn't mean they wrote down exactly what God told them to write down 100% of the time.

There is a lot to learn from Peter and Paul - they were great men. That doesn't make them perfect. Your pastor might be a great man, but that doesn't make him perfect.

So why do you not add that same scrutiny to Matthew, Mark, Luke or John? You are being inconsistent. So they are 100% correct but Peter and Paul not so sure? Why?

 

[Bob Estey]

So why do you not add that same scrutiny to Matthew, Mark, Luke or John? You are being inconsistent. So they are 100% correct but Peter and Paul not so sure? Why?

There are certain things I have faith in. I have faith that God is perfect. I have faith the Bible doesn't lie.

 

[reformed1689]

There are certain things I have faith in. I have faith that God is perfect. I have faith the Bible doesn't lie.

Again, yet you question parts of the Bible. You are inconsistent. How do you decide what is Bible and what isn't Bible?

 

[MatthewG]

Everyone is equal in the aspect of - No material religion exist today -, however no one is better than the other.

God made Adam, and the rib taken from Adam was given to create - Life (Eve).

I believe if people believe they are better than other people just because they are a man, or just because they are a women need to realize...

Both die the same way, when the blood flow ceases to continue moving forward.

I got a sick(cool) post number lol (666)

 

[Bob Estey]

Again, yet you question parts of the Bible. You are inconsistent. How do you decide what is Bible and what isn't Bible?

You aren't listening.

I believe those are the genuine letters of Paul - the Bible doesn't lie. However, though I've learned a lot from Paul, I don't agree with 100% of what he says.

 

[reformed1689]

You aren't listening.

I believe those are the genuine letters of Paul - the Bible doesn't lie. However, though I've learned a lot from Paul, I don't agree with 100% of what he says.

Exactly, and yes I am listening. I think it is actually you who doesn't listen to what you say. So the letters of Paul, Bible, yes or no?

 

[Bob Estey]

Exactly, and yes I am listening. I think it is actually you who doesn't listen to what you say. So the letters of Paul, Bible, yes or no?

I don't understand your question, "So the letters of Paul, Bible, yes or no?"

Women work in our churches seven days a week. They conduct ministries locally and all over the world. They raise money for worthy causes through hunger walks, bake sales, rummage sales, and the like. They cook dinner for us at church suppers. Do you really believe God told Paul to tell the churches that women aren't allowed to talk while they perform these ministries? And so it is I don't agree with Paul when he says women can't speak when they are in a church, though I've learned a great deal from him.

The men who put the New Testament together in the early centuries A.D. chose to put Paul's letters into the Bible, and I'm glad they did. I don't think the Bible is lying by sharing these letters, even though I don't agree with Paul about women speaking in church.

 

[reformed1689]

o you really believe God told Paul to tell the churches that women aren't allowed to talk while they perform these ministries? And so it is I don't agree with Paul when he says women can't speak when they are in a church, though I've learned a great deal from him.

I don't think ANYONE is arguing that. Especially since they didn't have church buildings when Paul was writing.

 

[reformed1689]

I don't think the Bible is lying by sharing these letters, even though I don't agree with Paul about women speaking in church.

You think it is ok for a woman to preach in a church? Paul's writings are either scripture or they are not. Which is it?

 

[MatthewG]

You think it is ok for a woman to preach in a church? Paul's writings are either scripture or they are not. Which is it?

Hello Brother reformed 1689,

I do not care personally.

Unless we live in the Apostolic Age and we need to conform, but the last time I heard brother reformed 1689: John the beloved is dead.

In the context of what Paul was writing had a historical reasoning -> As the women would be come loud and wouldn't stay quiet during times of when preaching was occurring.

Personally having an experience of speaking up in church during a message -> I had got told I do not need to do that anymore.

It is what it is, some says yes some say no.

What do you believe should be done? Because other people are going to express different opinions.

Love you!

 

[MatthewG]

Just as long as it is not a cult, and people are getting ready to take out the congergation through poison drank.


Know what I am saying? Cults are real, and that can happen. As long as the person is using the Bible, and being lead by the spirit I do not think it should matter.

From what I heard in Judges got so bad, a woman had to stand up to take charge cause the other men would not.

 

[Grailhunter]

You think it is ok for a woman to preach in a church? Paul's writings are either scripture or they are not. Which is it?

Do you think that it is ok for a black person to be free? Do you believe in slavery?
Bible only....can you understand the Bible with Bible only? No. Why? Because there are time period beliefs and time period cultures. And I say cultures....how many cultures can we count in the Bible? Bible only does not teach what is going on in the cultures. And if you do not think that time periods do not effect the meanings of what is said....you wrong.

2000 years of Christian history of a very active God....who taught us many things.

 

[reformed1689]

Do you think that it is ok for a black person to be free? Do believe in slavery?

This is completely irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[reformed1689]

Unless we live in the Apostolic Age and we need to conform

Be not conformed to this world.

In the context of what Paul was writing had a historical reasoning -> As the women would be come loud and wouldn't stay quiet during times of when preaching was occurring.

Except it was not cultural. He appealed to Eve being the one that was deceived. It's about women in general, not just 1st Century women.

What do you believe should be done?

What the Bible says.

 

[Waiting on him]

This is completely irrelevant to the conversation.

You do have too admit, this totally shows your partial.

unless you are condoning slavery today.

 

[reformed1689]

You do have too admit, this totally shows your partial.

unless you are condoning slavery today.

I don't have to admit that at all because it is not true.

 

[Grailhunter]

This is completely irrelevant to the conversation.

Turn brain on!
Because you are Bible only, you are likely not to know what is going on during that time period.
Women were still considered property back then. Their fathers choose who they married. Christianity did not change that for another 1000 years. Polygamy was practiced for another 1000 after the biblical era. So was concubinage...just in a different form.

Christianity condoned slavery....England abolished slavery in 1807 and the United States in 1865. The church took no official stand on it.

The Bible never stated a requirement for a wedding ceremony and it was the Protestants that first required it, 1500's. The first documented Christian wedding occurred in the 9th century, but at the time not required by the church.

The Bible says that there is no male or female in Christ....not everyone got that memo.
There were a lot of things that God taught us after the biblical era. One of those things is that women are our equals partners in everything. In family, in marriage, in society, and in the church....Praise the Lord!

 

[reformed1689]

Because you are Bible only, you are likely not to know what is going on during that time period.

That's not what sola scriptura means.