Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[Lifelong_sinner]

Do you consider everyone who disagrees with you to be a heretic?

no, only those who say the Bible is wrong.

 

[Bob Estey]

absolutely!!! Every single word in the Bible is complete truth. RC Sproul once said that if you disagree with something in the Bible, the problem isnt with the Bible, its with you.
You have repeatedly said heretical things, this isnt the first. The mere thought that something in the Bible could be wrong, is unfathomable to me. Yet not only do you believe paul was wrong, you double down on it. Who else said something wrong? Who else do you disagree with in the Bible??

It's going to be hard for women to get any work done in our churches if they aren't allowed to talk while they work.

 

[Bob Estey]

no, only those who say the Bible is wrong.

I think there are very few who think women shouldn't be allowed to talk in churches while they work. In your view, I guess most of us are heretics.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I think there are very few who think women shouldn't be allowed to talk in churches while they work. In your view, I guess most of us are heretics.

i would hope the majority dont think like you. I dont think you understand how big of an issue this is. If someone were to disagree with a particular church decree, say baby baptisms, that in itself isnt inherently worthy of church discipline. But to have a member outright say paul was wrong, as in something in the Bible is wrong, i gotta say, some people might agree that church discipline be in order.

when you say the Bible is wrong, you are setting up so many problems with what is written in the confessions and catechisms, you are setting up part of the 5 solas as wrong, you are setting up yourself because now others will ask, rightly so, what else do you think is wrong with christianity?

 

[Bob Estey]

i would hope the majority dont think like you. I dont think you understand how big of an issue this is. If someone were to disagree with a particular church decree, say baby baptisms, that in itself isnt inherently worthy of church discipline. But to have a member outright say paul was wrong, as in something in the Bible is wrong, i gotta say, some people might agree that church discipline be in order.

when you say the Bible is wrong, you are setting up so many problems with what is written in the confessions and catechisms, you are setting up part of the 5 solas as wrong, you are setting up yourself because now others will ask, rightly so, what else do you think is wrong with christianity?

So you forbid women from talking while they are working in church?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So you forbid women from talking while they are working in church?

women working… if you mean women mentoring younger women or the nurseries or even the little kids Sunday school class, then they can do what they need to. That is their role. But if a woman is acting as an elder or pastor, then no. That is so blatantly wrong.

 

[bbyrd009]

No I think that is just idiotic.

ha, well, ya never know, might be a God's nonsense/man's sense thing :)

 

[Bob Estey]

women working… if you mean women mentoring younger women or the nurseries or even the little kids Sunday school class, then they can do what they need to. That is their role. But if a woman is acting as an elder or pastor, then no. That is so blatantly wrong.

If you found a group of women in a room in your church planning how to raise money to feed people in a poor neighborhood, would you tell them to be quiet?

 

[bbyrd009]

If you found a group of women in a room in your church planning how to raise money to feed people in a poor neighborhood, would you tell them to be quiet?

personally, i do not allow my "woman" to express "herself" in matters pertaining to Living Stones; but i also dont expect anyone else to think the same way

 

[amadeus]

personally, i do not allow my "woman" to express "herself" in matters pertaining to Living Stones; but i also dont expect anyone else to think the same way

LOL... I have at least an idea of where you are coming from with that. I wonder if anyone else does?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

If you found a group of women in a room in your church planning how to raise money to feed people in a poor neighborhood, would you tell them to be quiet?

no. That would be fine. If i went into that room and there were men and women in there, and a woman was directing that group, i might inquire why the men werent leading it.

 

[reformed1689]

ha, well, ya never know, might be a God's nonsense/man's sense thing :)

Or it might just be idiotic.

 

[reformed1689]

Paul's letters are in the Bible. I know that.

It sounds like you don't know much of or believe anything. Get some grounding.

 

[reformed1689]

I've learned a lot from Paul, but I think he was wrong to tell women they can't speak while they are working in churches.

Yeah because of your stupidly ASININE interpretation of that passage.

 

[reformed1689]

No, I just think he was wrong, like if I thought the Cubs would beat the Mets, but they didn't, I'd be wrong - not a liar.

So God was wrong? Remember all Scripture is inspired by God. So if Paul in his letters was wrong it is not Paul you are disagreeing with it is God. That's some pretty dangerous territory Bob!

 

[reformed1689]

Yes, he said that. I just don't think God told him to say that.

So Bob gets to decide what is Bible based on what he agrees with.

 

[bbyrd009]

“Bees dont waste their time telling flies that honey is better than poop”

 

[bbyrd009]

LOL... I have at least an idea of where you are coming from with that. I wonder if anyone else does?

well, its a Book about the spiritual realm, huh? And i dont know why, but for whatever reason it started with the Esau/Jacob thing for me, with Jacob “inheriting,” but Esau getting all the material stuff, and Jacob being the one who had to leave? It kinda forced a perspective change in me

you might try yourself as Adam and Eve, fwiw (divided, and the two shall become one)
of course im not “married” (little joke there) to any of these, even seek passages that reject them as analogies, but when i cant find any after a while…

 

[Bob Estey]

It sounds like you don't know much of or believe anything. Get some grounding.

I believe that we should obey the Lord, and when we do, we have peace of mind. Check out Matthew 4:17.

 

[Bob Estey]

Yeah because of your stupidly ASININE interpretation of that passage.

Paul tells women not to speak in churches. I can only think of one way to interpret that.