ok well fwiw the passage that is translated as "hell" to you there invokes the concept of "hell" that you have come to believe, and Muslims do not mean that ok. Their concept is much more in line with Meshak, Shadrak, and Abed-nego in the furnace, like that.
Prove it when the Quran teaches that the enemies of Allah will stay in it and burn forever. Can't be like in line with Meshak, Shadrak. ad Abed-nego.
Ask them to explain how Allah can decreed something but it is not Allah pulling them out of it. If Allah decreed something, then only Allah can pull them out.
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our (current) belief in salvation is surely one of some altar works that you did in the past, that now qualifies you to consider yourself "saved," unless i am mistaken there please correct me;
You are mistaken. I have done no altar works. Jesus had done it. No man took away His life; He gave His life as a ransom for many so that when anyone believes in Him, they are saved.
and salvation just does not work like that, so again we will be talking at cross-purposes, wadr.
Salvation works like that because God saved us; not we did not save ourselves. Our assurance from God is His resurrection. We believe Him at His Word. That pleases God.
well, or Nehushtan worship, but you do not know who Nehushtan even is, so again anything i could say in response to this would surely be misconstrued. You currently believe that heaven and hell are like "places," when they are not, and this will lead to misunderstanding at...all your other points, i guess.
Nehushtan worship was some Jewish believers that went astray, taken the graven image of the serpent and turned it into an idol of worship, breaking one of the ten commandments.
The point about Jesus being lifted up was so that the symbology of looking to Him for eternal life just as those that were bitten by poisonous snake looked to the raised brazen image of the serpent on the post to be cured of that poisonous snake bite. That is how sinners are saved by Him.
Fwiw nothing is "going" anywhere, at least until you overcome them; yes, evil exists in the world, which is why you are advised to leave it, not be reporting about it like you are.
Trying to imagine you in WW2. Nope. can't do it.
And further, Christ has already done everything that needed doing, ok, and He is not coming back to save you again, sorry to disappoint you.
I did not say He was coming back to save me "again" as if in the same way. Once saved is always saved, but not every one will be ready nor willing to leave when the Bridegroom comes for the abiding bride of Christ to be taken to the Marriage Supper above.
Saved believers should be seeking the Lord Jesus Christ in trusting them as their Good Shepherd to be abiding in Him to save them from what is coming on the earth. Peter in his two epistles, had written about that.
2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
That is why my hope is in Him as my Good Shepherd.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
So if there is some self destructive sin in your life that you just can't overcome... go to the Overcomer.
1 John 5:15 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him......
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?....
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.