Do you believe in aliens?

[brakelite]

First, the first humans would have all been giants, compared to us. Skeletons have been found to confirm this. Second, the dragon was cast down to the earth. There is no suggestion he has jurisdiction or access to anywhere else. So sin is restricted to this planet. Third, I believe there are populated worlds elsewhere. The council Satan attended in Job suggests he was among leaders from other worlds...perhaps. Fourth, if this world is the only world wherein there was rebellion, which I am convinced of, (being the showcase of the universe) then "aliens", for want of a better word, would not want to come here...and would not be permitted if they did. What have we to offer an unfallen race?

 

[friend of]

That's interesting brake light. I don't believe in other alien races on other planets because Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Human. So unless there are other humans on planets far away, I don't know why Christ would claim to be their God if they aren't even human.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes. I do believe in Aliens.

 

[CoreIssue]

But aren't they still active in some way? Don't demons get their marching orders from the fallen Angel's?

No.

 

[Helen]

Sons of god are those in a relationship with God. Daughters of man are those not in relationship with God.

Angels cannot reproduce nor are they male or female.

As for nephelim, Goliath was a nephelim.

Since that fallen angels were already chained in the pit, it also eliminates that thinking.

Think about it, it smells completely of human invention.

GOOD...glad that you said that...I have never ever believed it from day one..

I have always believed the the sons of God 'came down' from being in spiritually mind real and close followers of the Lord...to the carnal world realm. Or something like that.

spirits cannot reproduce... so the silly mating idea is stupid. A non starter.

 

[Enoch111]

spirits cannot reproduce... so the silly mating idea is stupid. A non starter.

I can understand an unbeliever making such a remark. But the Bible makes it perfectly clear that evil angels mated with human women and produced giants and men of renown. (Genesis 6:1-8) They are called "the angels which kept not their first estate" and "the angels that sinned", and in both references the context is sexual immorality.

JUDE 1
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

So what is the Holy Spirit revealing to us through Jude?
1. That a certain group of angels violated their normal boundaries and are therefore imprisoned in Tartarus at this time. (Peter mentions Tartarus).
2. "Even as" is comparative, and compares these angels to the wicked men in Sodom and Gomorrah, who committed fornication and went after "strange flesh" (abnormal and unlawful sexual unions).
3. "Likewise" is again comparative and compares the false prophets of Jude's day to those angels and to the Sodomites, all of which "defiled the flesh" through unlawful sexual unions.

2 PETER 2
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, [TARTARUS] and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:...
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Again, Peter makes the same comparisons between the angels that sinned, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the false prophets who are enmeshed in "the lust of uncleanness". It is significant that Peter mentions the Flood of Noah, since the Flood was a result of the wickedness which was generated by these evil angels among humans. Angels can and do take human form, angels are always males, and angels can -- in human form -- have sexual intercourse. That is why those angels are in prison, in chains of darkness, awaiting their final judgment in the Lake of Fire.

 

[Helen]

I can understand an unbeliever making such a remark. But the Bible makes it perfectly clear that evil angels mated with human women and produced giants and men of renown. (Genesis 6:1-8) They are called "the angels which kept not their first estate" and "the angels that sinned", and in both references the context is sexual immorality.

Well, you so often say in many of your posts..."Bible makes it perfectly clear "
But what you really mean is - or should mean is " from where I am sitting, my bible makes it perfectly clear."
It sounds less arrogant.

Just because you happen to believe that 2 Peter was talking about Genesis 6 does not make it so. You have chosen to believe that..and that is fine...but don't put other people down just because they don't believe what you choose to believe. You always write as if everything that you believe and quote from the bible is perfectly accurate ...
You do not have " perfect vision"...none of us do!!

1 Corinthians 13 10 "But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

Like it or not , we are all still in the in part realm.

Bless you...Helen

 

[CoreIssue]

I can understand an unbeliever making such a remark. But the Bible makes it perfectly clear that evil angels mated with human women and produced giants and men of renown. (Genesis 6:1-8) They are called "the angels which kept not their first estate" and "the angels that sinned", and in both references the context is sexual immorality.

No it does. It never calls them fallen angels.

• Read Jude. Fallen angels are chained in the Pit until judgment day. ,..

JUDE 1
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

. Exactly'
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
Jude 7 New International Version (NIV)
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire

Homosexuality

You truly need to get away from the KJV

an ensample, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

So what is the Holy Spirit revealing to us through Jude?
1. That a certain group of angels violated their normal boundaries and are therefore imprisoned in Tartarus at this time. (Peter mentions Tartarus).

They tried to overthrow God.
2. "Even as" is comparative, and compares these angels to the wicked men in Sodom and Gomorrah, who committed fornication and went after "strange flesh" (abnormal and unlawful sexual unions).

No.

No it does not.
3. "Likewise" is again comparative and compares the false prophets of Jude's day to those angels and to the Sodomites, all of which "defiled the flesh" through unlawful sexual unions.

No it does not

2 PETER 2
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, [TARTARUS] and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:...
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Again, Peter makes the same comparisons between the angels that sinned, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the false prophets who are enmeshed in "the lust of uncleanness".

No he did not.

It is significant that Peter mentions the Flood of Noah, since the Flood was a result of the wickedness which was generated by these evil angels among humans.

There were that that no fallen angels among man. They were chained in the Pit.
Angels can and do take human form, angels are always males,

Angels are neither male or female. God is not male. Masculine usage is a linguistic device, not a gender declaration.
and angels can -- in human form -- have sexual intercourse. That is why those angels are in prison, in chains of darkness, awaiting their final judgment in the Lake of Fire.

They were already there. The war in heaven took place between Gen 1 and 2.

 

[Enoch111]

Just because you happen to believe that 2 Peter was talking about Genesis 6 does not make it so.

Here is Gaebelein's commentary (from Bible Hub) on this passage, which says exactly the same thing:

"The question is who are the sons of God who took the daughters of men. The general view is that the sons of God were the pious descendants of Seth and the daughters of men, the Cainitish offspring. However, there are strong arguments against it.

1. There is no proof in the text that the daughters of men were only the descendants of the Cainites. The text supports the view that in “daughters of men” the natural increase of the whole human family is meant, and not a special class.

2. The theory that “sons of God” must mean pious people can likewise not be sustained. The term sons of God is never applied in the Old Testament to believers. Isaiah 43:6 refers to the future gathering of the godly remnant of Israel. That the believer is a son of God, predestined to the son-place, with the spirit of sonship in him, crying, “Abba, Father,” is exclusively a New Testament revelation.

3. The result of the marriage of the sons of God with the daughters of men were children, who were heroes, men of the Name. If the sons of God were simply the pious Sethites, who mixed with the Cainites, it is hard to understand why the offspring should be a special race, heroes, men of the Name. The giants were Nephilim, which means “the fallen ones.”

“Sons of God” is the term applied in the Old Testament to supernatural beings, both good and evil. Angels good and fallen are termed sons of God in the Old Testament. Satan himself is reckoned among the sons of God in Job 1:6; Job 2:1. The term sons of God must mean here supernatural evil beings. These evil beings came down out of the air and began to take possession of such of the daughters of men as they chose.

“For if God spared not the angels which sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them unto chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; and spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly” (2Peter 2:4-5).

Here we have a New Testament hint on Genesis 6:1-5. The Scripture declares that the fallen angels are still loose; here, however, are angels, which sinned and God did not spare them. Another passage in Jude’s Epistle is still more significant: “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” This statement in Jude is linked with the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.

We stand not alone in this exposition. “The sons of God, in my judgment, mean the same beings in Genesis as they do in Job. This point will suffice to indicate their chief guilt in thus traversing the boundaries which God appointed for His creatures. No wonder that total ruin speedily ensues. It is really the basis of fact for not a few tales of mythology which men have made up.” (W. Kelly, Lectures on the Pentateuch.) God has veiled the awful corruption and we dare not intrude into the secret things."

 

[Blueberry]

Sons of god are those in a relationship with God. Daughters of man are those not in relationship with God.

Jesus referred to himself as "Son of Man".
Ezekiel is referred to as "son of man".

It just distinguishes their humanity. Unless you are meaning to suggest the two above were not in relationship with God?

 

[CoreIssue]

Here is Gaebelein's commentary (from Bible Hub) on this passage, which says exactly the same thing:

3. The result of the marriage of the sons of God with the daughters of men were children, who were heroes, men of the Name. If the sons of God were simply the pious Sethites, who mixed with the Cainites, it is hard to understand why the offspring should be a special race, heroes, men of the Name. The giants were Nephilim, which means “the fallen ones.”

“Sons of God” is the term applied in the Old Testament to supernatural beings, both good and evil. Angels good and fallen are termed sons of God in the Old Testament. Satan himself is reckoned among the sons of God in Job 1:6; Job 2:1. The term sons of God must mean here supernatural evil beings. These evil beings came down out of the air and began to take possession of such of the daughters of men as they chose.

“For if God spared not the angels which sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them unto chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; and spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly” (2Peter 2:4-5).

Here we have a New Testament hint on Genesis 6:1-5. The Scripture declares that the fallen angels are still loose; here, however, are angels, which sinned and God did not spare them. Another passage in Jude’s Epistle is still more significant: “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” This statement in Jude is linked with the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.

We stand not alone in this exposition. “The sons of God, in my judgment, mean the same beings in Genesis as they do in Job. This point will suffice to indicate their chief guilt in thus traversing the boundaries which God appointed for His creatures. No wonder that total ruin speedily ensues. It is really the basis of fact for not a few tales of mythology which men have made up.” (W. Kelly, Lectures on the Pentateuch.) God has veiled the awful corruption and we dare not intrude into the secret things."

The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 05303 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
lypn from (05307)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
N@phiyl TWOT - 1393a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
nef-eel' Noun Masculine
Definition

1. giants, the Nephilim

Nowhere in the bible says the fallen angels are still lose. They are chained in the pit now and have been since the war in heaven between genesis 1:1 and 2.

Goliath was a nephelim. As were some families, cities and nations. Which blows you're thinking of the water.

You seriously me to stop using the KJV. You are struggling with the archaic English.

 

[friend of]

Daughters of man are those not in relationship with God.

Where is this in scripture? I've never heard of this before.

 

[CoreIssue]

Where is this in scripture? I've never heard of this before.

Genesis 6:1-5 New International Version (NIV)
Wickedness in the World
6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend witha]">[a] humans forever, for they are mortalb]">[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

 

[friend of]

That doesn't say "Daughters of man are those not in relationship with God."

Not sure how you're inferring that.

 

[Blueberry]

Are demons fallen angels?

I don't necessarily consider gotquestions to be the final word on understanding less obvious biblical matters, but it is often a good place to start.

When exactly God created angels is open for debate, but what is known for sure is that God created everything good because God, in His holiness, cannot create something sinful. So when Satan, who was once the angel Lucifer, rebelled against God and fell from heaven (Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28), one third of the angelic host joined his insurrection (Revelation 12:3-4,9). There is no doubt these fallen angels are now known as the demons.

We know that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, according to Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’” Jesus, by using the possessive word his makes it clear that these angels belong to Satan. Revelation 12:7-9 describes an end-times angelic battle between Michael and "his angels" and the devil and "his angels." From these and similar verses, it is clear that demons and fallen angels are synonymous.

Some reject the idea that the demons are the fallen angels due to the fact that Jude verse 6 declares the angels who sinned to be "bound with everlasting chains." However, it is clear that not all of the angels who sinned are "bound," as Satan is still free (1 Peter 5:8). Why would God imprison the rest of the fallen angels, but allow the leader of the rebellion to remain free? It seems that Jude verse 6 is referring to God confining the fallen angels who rebelled in an additional way, likely the "sons of God" incident in Genesis chapter 6.

The most common alternate explanation for the origin of the demons is that when the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were destroyed in the Flood, their disembodied souls became the demons. While the Bible does not specifically say what happened to the souls of the Nephilim when they were killed, it is unlikely that God would destroy the Nephilim in the Flood only to allow their souls to cause even greater evil as the demons. The most biblically consistent explanation for the origin of the demons is that they are the fallen angels, the angels who rebelled against God with Satan.

Whether this explains where demons originate or not, alleged 'aliens' could be spirits manifesting as such. Making such claims as travelers from another solar system or galaxy that are not easily disproven by humans limited, for the most part, to this earth physically and by our limited ability to peer into the cosmos. Or a manifestation of being one of 'the Ancients' or some such. Unenlightened people can be fairly gullible. Especially to any supposed 'wisdom' that does not also hold them morally accountable. Their ears itch too.
.

 

[CoreIssue]

That doesn't say "Daughters of man are those not in relationship with God."

Not sure how you're inferring that.

God does not call anyone not in relationship with him a son of god.

Daughter of man, literally daughter of Adam, is how sin nature is passed generation to generation. If not relationship to God, then in relationship to who?

Remember, son of god does not mean male. Male is used for more than gender in ancient Hebrew.

 

[CoreIssue]

Commentaries by CoreIssue

 

[CoreIssue]

Are demons fallen angels?

I don't necessarily consider gotquestions to be the final word on understanding less obvious biblical matters, but it is often a good place to start.

When exactly God created angels is open for debate, but what is known for sure is that God created everything good because God, in His holiness, cannot create something sinful. So when Satan, who was once the angel Lucifer, rebelled against God and fell from heaven (Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28), one third of the angelic host joined his insurrection (Revelation 12:3-4,9). There is no doubt these fallen angels are now known as the demons.

We know that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, according to Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’” Jesus, by using the possessive word his makes it clear that these angels belong to Satan. Revelation 12:7-9 describes an end-times angelic battle between Michael and "his angels" and the devil and "his angels." From these and similar verses, it is clear that demons and fallen angels are synonymous.

Some reject the idea that the demons are the fallen angels due to the fact that Jude verse 6 declares the angels who sinned to be "bound with everlasting chains." However, it is clear that not all of the angels who sinned are "bound," as Satan is still free (1 Peter 5:8). Why would God imprison the rest of the fallen angels, but allow the leader of the rebellion to remain free? It seems that Jude verse 6 is referring to God confining the fallen angels who rebelled in an additional way, likely the "sons of God" incident in Genesis chapter 6.

The most common alternate explanation for the origin of the demons is that when the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were destroyed in the Flood, their disembodied souls became the demons. While the Bible does not specifically say what happened to the souls of the Nephilim when they were killed, it is unlikely that God would destroy the Nephilim in the Flood only to allow their souls to cause even greater evil as the demons. The most biblically consistent explanation for the origin of the demons is that they are the fallen angels, the angels who rebelled against God with Satan.

Whether this explains where demons originate or not, alleged 'aliens' could be spirits manifesting as such. Making such claims as travelers from another solar system or galaxy that are not easily disproven by humans limited, for the most part, to this earth physically and by our limited ability to peer into the cosmos. Or a manifestation of being one of 'the Ancients' or some such. Unenlightened people can be fairly gullible. Especially to any supposed 'wisdom' that does not also hold them morally accountable. Their ears itch too.
.

Commentaries by CoreIssue

 

[farouk]

I'd always thought they were one and the same.
I don't see anything in scripture that shows their beginning...so where did demons come from, and why? They do the bidding of Satan...so they are his army. We are actually told very little..right?

I think that Hebrews 1's reference to ministering spirits is important; and we know that some ministering spirits are good and some are not: but the Lord is omnipotent.

 

[Blueberry]

Daughter of man, literally daughter of Adam, is how sin nature is passed generation to generation.

No. Else Christ would have not been sinless. The sin nature is passed down by the males.

EDIT: Its the 'seed' that is corrupted.