Do you believe the lie?

[Zao is life]

You told us that you would not be responding to me anymore.
Then you did, and that is your first lie.
Now you've done it again, and that is Lie #2.




Post where i have made a false accustion, and when you can't and dont, that is lie #3. @Zao is life.



THe way i correct religious pretenders is designed to reveal them so that the members here can see you as you are........vs your religious performance/

See it yet? @Zao is life



I dont think that Pride can be "betrayed" as you posted.... but it can be exhibited....and you are the one for the job.

And, correcting your "stumbing through the NT" theology, is not me being a "Bigot".., its just me doing what is necessary to try to help you.

I have no anger or hostility towards you...... Im just a very direct person, who does not play with words or gloss coat them for effect.
Think of a Baseball pitcher who throws the ball right down the middle, every time......a fastball.
That is how i teach, and how i correct.



If you own a bible.......you'll note that the Hebrews 10 Apostle is angry.......and that is why He is warning them........not exhorting them.
He's warning them, in Chapter 6 and 10, that they are just like their fathers......= Christ Rejectors..... and now they are "doing despite" and "trampling underfoot" and "stompimg on the blood".....and he is warning them.......HOTLY>.........that this willful Christ rejection, is going to end up with them "having no more sacrifice for their sin"....... and that means....."you will die unpardoned and go to Hell" You JEWS.

So. get a bible and read now, Acts 28:28, and you'll see that Its Paul......and He's telling these Hebrews that same......and then he tires of them in anger, and tells them....."i'll take this message this Gospel to the Gentiles, and THEY WILL BELIEVE IT".

See that?.. These HEBREWS didnt BELIEVE......>yet.......they are not Chrisitans..........as i told you.

Now do some study... learn some bible and stop lying.

I'm not answerable to you. Your problem is, you don't stop coming with your insults, insinuations that I'm not saved (which is against this forum's rules) etc etc,

But whether or not I said I'm not going to respond to your posts and then respond anyway is not something I'm answerable to you about.

You can call me a liar all you like. It just adds to the way you have been showing yourself up. Your posts and your choice of words are your witness or testimony to your claim to be abiding in Christ, the Vine of eternal Life, and as such it's a joke (which is a nice word for disgrace, of course).

 

[Zao is life]

Was it your intention when you created this thread for it to become a NOSAS vs. OSAS debate? I don't think it was, but I'll let you clarify that. If that was the intention, wouldn't it be better to create such a thread in the Soteriology forum instead of in the Eschatology forum?

Thanks. It is about the thousand years of Revelation 20 and who those are who join the Gog-Magog rebellion. It's Premil but not Premil in the way Premils understand that coming millennium.

But you could hit the report button for me and ask for the thread to be moved out of this forum if you feel it should be, because it turned into a NOSAS / OSAS circus instead. (I wouldn't call this circus @Behold has created by his posts a "debate").

If I had enough self-disciple to, I would have left off even responding to the NOSAS posts containing more insults and insinuations or even blatant accusations about me "not being saved at all" or "not believing in Jesus" etc etc.

Unfortunately though, having the self-discipline not to respond in those circumstances is not something I always manage to do when being maligned and personally attacked.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thanks. It is about the thousand years of Revelation 20 and who those are who join the Gog-Magog rebellion. It's Premil but not Premil in the way Premils understand that coming millennium.

That's what I thought it was about because you've said similar things in relation to that before. Just wanted to make sure. But, no one is really addressing what you were intending to address, it seems. I have talked to you about this topic before enough already and I know we'll likely never agree on that, so I will bow out of this thread unless I feel the desire to join you in supporting the NOSAS view that we agree on. We'll see.

But you could hit the report button for me and ask for the thread to be moved out of this forum if you feel it should be, because it turned into a NOSAS / OSAS circus instead. (I wouldn't call this circus @Behold has created by his posts a "debate").

No, it's fine. But, you may want to either edit your original post or make a new post clarifying what you were intending to discuss in this thread, which was not NOSAS vs. OSAS. That's up to you, of course.

If I had enough self-disciple to, I would have left off even responding to the NOSAS posts containing more insults and insinuations or even blatant accusations about me "not being saved at all" or "not believing in Jesus" etc etc.

Haha. Yeah. I know how hard it is to just let those posts go, so I can't blame you for responding to them. I can't be sure that I can keep from responding to them myself. For now, I don't feel like it, but that could change.

Unfortunately though, having the self-discipline not to respond in those circumstances is not something I always manage to do when being maligned and personally attacked.

I completely understand. As I'm sure you know. You've seen me being unable to avoid responding myself in those type of circumstances in the past. I'm trying to be better about that, but I don't always succeed. Especially in the case of certain posters here. You probably can guess who I mean (not you) based on recent "discussions" I've had with them.

 

[Behold]

You can call me a liar all you like.

Would you like to prove it again? @Zao is life

 

[Behold]

those are who join the Gog-Magog rebellion.

These 5 :

Russia
China
Iran
Turkey
Syria

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Would you like to prove it again? @Zao is life

 

[Behold]

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Here is the thing.
You didnt read what they posted to me, that defined me as not being led of the the Spirit of God....ect, ect...X5......only because i didn't agree that Heb Chapter 10 is directed at CHRISTIANs.
So, im not going to sit quietly when some arrogant bible noob cult member posts something like that.. so, ive made them "think".
And i'll do it more, if they need it, and apparently they do.

So, be smarter @Spiritual Israelite ...... and read both sides, next time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here is the thing.
You didnt read what they posted to me, that defined me as not being led of the the Spirit of God....ect, ect...X5
So, im not going to sit quietly when some arrogant bible noob cult member posts something like that.. so, ive made them "think".
And i'll do it more, if they need it, and apparently they do.

So, be smarter @Spiritual Israelite ...... and read both sides, next time.

Grow up. He clearly indicated that he doesn't want to talk to you anymore and you are childishly begging for him to do so by trying to bait him. Are you that lonely, insecure and starved for attention that you need to try to bait him to talk to you despite him clearly not wanting to talk to you anymore?

 

[Behold]

Grow up. He clearly indicated that he doesn't want to talk to you anymore

Listen little one.

This member and i were having a conversation......until they posted the heresy that Heb Chap 10 proves that a Christian can lose their Salvation.
I disagreed, and showed them Acts 28:28, that is the same verses but found in the Acts of the Apostles..., and shows that those verses in Hebrews...are only dealing with unsaved .Jews........not Christians.
So, Zao, decided to then come and post that i was not lead of the Spirit..... and then i change my posts to them, and you only read those.......i see.
So, after they posted a couple of those to me, they then stated they were finished corresponding with me......and then they continued to send me more posts......so, i helped them understand that when you dont do what you say, you are not being honest.
Now, run along, and find someone else who is worth your time, if you continue to feel the need to be someone's forum cheerleader, @Spiritual Israelite .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Listen little one.

This member and i were having a conversation......until they posted the heresy that Heb Chap 10 proves that a Christian can lose their Salvation.
I disagreed, and showed them Acts 28:28, that is the same verses but found in the Acts of the Apostles..., and shows that those verses in Hebrews...are only dealing with unsaved .Jews........not Christians.
So, Zao, decided to then come and post that i was not lead of the Spirit..... and then i change my posts to them, and you only read those.......i see.
So, after they posted a couple of those to me, they then stated they were finished corresponding with me......and then they continued to send me more posts......so, i helped them understand that when you dont do what you say, you are not being honest.
Now, run along, and find someone else who is worth your time, if you continue to feel the need to be someone's forum cheerleader, @Spiritual Israelite .

Look here, little guy. If someone doesn't want to talk to you, then that is his choice. There's no need for you to beg him like an attention starved little boy to keep talking to you.

 

[Behold]

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Look here, little guy. If someone doesn't want to talk to you,

Yes, they said they had finished talking to me,.......no more correspondence, and then they have continued and continue and continued, so, i have continue to reply.
Now..Even somone like you can figure this out, i hope.
So..........Let see what they do next.

- See you there... @Spiritual Israelite

 

[Zao is life]

Immortality for CREATED human beings does not mean we cannot be destroyed - soul and body - by the God who created us. Only God has life that is indestructible in Himself and only the Son of God possesses in Himself His own immortality, according to scripture.

The churches often misconstrue what it means to be immortal. To be immortal simply means your body is alive forever - UNLESS you stop abiding in the Vine of life - the source of life of all creation, and sin, and the God who CREATED you, destroys you - soul and body - by fire.

Immortality - which is associated with being alive in a human body that does not die - is dependent upon having eternal life,

and it's extremely important to carefully consider this, because firstly, life exists IN God alone, and only because God exists. Without the existence of God there is no life. Paul said, "In Him (God) we live | are alive [zao], and move, and have our being; For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28).

Life is in God alone - and in the Logos:

"The Logos of God was in the beginning with God. In Him was life [zōḗ], and the life [zōḗ] was the light of men." (John 1:2 & 4).

"And the Logos became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we (John the apostle and his companions) beheld his glory (the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.)" (John 1:14).

Secondly, among human beings, only the Son of God has life in Himself:

"For as the Father hath life [zōḗ] in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life [zōḗ] in himself." (John 5:26).

Eternal life is in Christ alone.

The eternal life in Christ that God has given to CREATED human beings who do not have eternal life in ourselves, is in Christ alone, and He alone possesses eternal life in Himself:

"God has given to us eternal life [zōḗ], and this life [zōḗ] is in His Son: He that has the Son has (eternal) life; and he that has not the Son of God has not (eternal) life [zōḗ]." (1 John 5:11-12).

No CREATED human being has eternal life in himself. The eternal life of any created human being who has been given eternal life is in Christ: Jesus told those who believed in Him:

"I am in my Father, and ye (will be) in me, and I in you."
(John 14:19b-20b)

In Colossians 1:27 Paul talks about "the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints, which is Christ IN you, the hope of glory."

So if anyone - any CREATED human being - has been given eternal life by God, your eternal life is not in yourself, but IN CHRIST, who alone has life IN HIMSELF. Christ in you = eternal life in you.

Jesus said, "The kingdom of God does not come with external evidence that can be observed. Nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For take heed, be discerning, and perceive this: The kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21).

Jesus also told us that unless we are born of the Spirit of God we cannot see or experience the Kingdom of God.

Paul said, "When Christ, who is our life [zōḗ], shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory." (Colossians 3:4).

IMPORTANT: This explains why, even though (BEFORE he sinned, and BEFORE death came to mankind), Adam was alive, had eternal life, and was able to eat of the tree of life freely (he was immortal), yet he died the moment he sinned.

Satan had said to him, "You will not surely die".

Thirdly, just ike Adam (BEFORE he sinned and BEFORE death came to mankind), though we be immortal following the resurrection of our bodies, yet because we will never possess eternal life in ourselves (only God does), CREATED human beings can never possess our immortality in ourselves:

Immortality: To live | be alive [zao] forever (never dying).

"He (Christ) alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen." (1 Timothy 6:15-16).

"For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself" (John 5:26).

So part of the New Covenant is that CREATED human beings will once again have immortal bodies when our dead bodies have been resurrected from the dead, but since Adam sinned and died - and forever - the death of CREATED human beings is the evidence of the fact that only Christ possesses (His own) immortality because only Christ has eternal life in Himself.

No created human being possesses eternal life in itself. Only Christ possesses eternal life in Himself.

No created human being who does not possess (eternal) life [zoe] in itself can of itself live | be alive [zao] forever, without dying (possess its own immortality).

Satan told mankind: "You will not surely die".

"For this reason Christ died [apothnesko] and rose again from the dead [anistemi], and lived again [anazao: lived again in a body that is not dead], so that he may be the Lord of both the dead [nekros] and living [zao: those who are alive in a body that is not dead]." (Romans 14:9).

Jesus said, "Do not fear, I am the First and the Last, and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hades and of death." (Revelation 1:17-18)

"God has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us IN Christ Jesus before the world began, but is now made visible by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ,
who has broken the power of death, and has brought life (zoe) and immortality to light through the gospel." (2 Timothy 1:9-10).

Jesus the Messiah is the Vine of (eternal) life [ZOE]. Eternal life is in Christ, who alone has life [zoe] in Himself. Only God has life [zoe] in Himself (John 1:2 & 4; John 5:26; 1 John 5:11-12); and He said:

--- I am the vine, ye are the branches. Abide in me, and I in you, because if a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned, and as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. --- (John 15:4-6, verses rearranged).

There is no validity of the argument regarding CREATED human beings who are alive in human bodies that do not die, not being capable of being destroyed both soul and body in the fire by the CREATOR who created us. I.O.W, there is no such thing as OSAS either now, or when we have become immortal.

 

[Behold]

The churches often misconstrue what it means to be immortal. To be immortal simply means your body is alive forever -

Nonsense... @Zao is life

The Bible teaches that the "body is dead because of sin", and is not Immortal.

Thje NEW body that the Christian will receive will be eternal.

Now.......Here is the reality.

Man is a Tri-part being., because we are this.....""""""let us make man in OUR Image (likeness).""

So, as God is a Triune being.......Father -Son - Holy Spirit, = 3 as One

Man is : Body - Soul- Spirit. = 3 as One.

And as "God is A Spirit", .....we understand that this is the "eternal".

Therefore its the spirit in a person, that lives in the body, that is the eternal situation, and that is why after your body dies, your spirit does not., as its eternal, being made in the "image" of God.

God's Salvation through CHRIST's CROSS..... is the eternal restoration of our spirit having become born ... again.........as "in Christ",.. and "ONE with God".

This is permanently restored = "SPIRITUAL union" with God, that 1st Adam lost for all of us, and 2nd Adam restores to you, if you will give God your faith in Christ, and become : Born......again...... Spiritually.