Do you believe the lie?

[Zao is life]

You told us that you would not be responding to me anymore.
Then you did, and that is your first lie.
Now you've done it again, and that is Lie #2.




Post where i have made a false accustion, and when you can't and dont, that is lie #3. @Zao is life.



THe way i correct religious pretenders is designed to reveal them so that the members here can see you as you are........vs your religious performance/

See it yet? @Zao is life



I dont think that Pride can be "betrayed" as you posted.... but it can be exhibited....and you are the one for the job.

And, correcting your "stumbing through the NT" theology, is not me being a "Bigot".., its just me doing what is necessary to try to help you.

I have no anger or hostility towards you...... Im just a very direct person, who does not play with words or gloss coat them for effect.
Think of a Baseball pitcher who throws the ball right down the middle, every time......a fastball.
That is how i teach, and how i correct.



If you own a bible.......you'll note that the Hebrews 10 Apostle is angry.......and that is why He is warning them........not exhorting them.
He's warning them, in Chapter 6 and 10, that they are just like their fathers......= Christ Rejectors..... and now they are "doing despite" and "trampling underfoot" and "stompimg on the blood".....and he is warning them.......HOTLY>.........that this willful Christ rejection, is going to end up with them "having no more sacrifice for their sin"....... and that means....."you will die unpardoned and go to Hell" You JEWS.

So. get a bible and read now, Acts 28:28, and you'll see that Its Paul......and He's telling these Hebrews that same......and then he tires of them in anger, and tells them....."i'll take this message this Gospel to the Gentiles, and THEY WILL BELIEVE IT".

See that?.. These HEBREWS didnt BELIEVE......>yet.......they are not Chrisitans..........as i told you.

Now do some study... learn some bible and stop lying.

I'm not answerable to you. Your problem is, you don't stop coming with your insults, insinuations that I'm not saved (which is against this forum's rules) etc etc,

But whether or not I said I'm not going to respond to your posts and then respond anyway is not something I'm answerable to you about.

You can call me a liar all you like. It just adds to the way you have been showing yourself up. Your posts and your choice of words are your witness or testimony to your claim to be abiding in Christ, the Vine of eternal Life, and as such it's a joke (which is a nice word for disgrace, of course).

 

[Zao is life]

Was it your intention when you created this thread for it to become a NOSAS vs. OSAS debate? I don't think it was, but I'll let you clarify that. If that was the intention, wouldn't it be better to create such a thread in the Soteriology forum instead of in the Eschatology forum?

Thanks. It is about the thousand years of Revelation 20 and who those are who join the Gog-Magog rebellion. It's Premil but not Premil in the way Premils understand that coming millennium.

But you could hit the report button for me and ask for the thread to be moved out of this forum if you feel it should be, because it turned into a NOSAS / OSAS circus instead. (I wouldn't call this circus @Behold has created by his posts a "debate").

If I had enough self-disciple to, I would have left off even responding to the NOSAS posts containing more insults and insinuations or even blatant accusations about me "not being saved at all" or "not believing in Jesus" etc etc.

Unfortunately though, having the self-discipline not to respond in those circumstances is not something I always manage to do when being maligned and personally attacked.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thanks. It is about the thousand years of Revelation 20 and who those are who join the Gog-Magog rebellion. It's Premil but not Premil in the way Premils understand that coming millennium.

That's what I thought it was about because you've said similar things in relation to that before. Just wanted to make sure. But, no one is really addressing what you were intending to address, it seems. I have talked to you about this topic before enough already and I know we'll likely never agree on that, so I will bow out of this thread unless I feel the desire to join you in supporting the NOSAS view that we agree on. We'll see.

But you could hit the report button for me and ask for the thread to be moved out of this forum if you feel it should be, because it turned into a NOSAS / OSAS circus instead. (I wouldn't call this circus @Behold has created by his posts a "debate").

No, it's fine. But, you may want to either edit your original post or make a new post clarifying what you were intending to discuss in this thread, which was not NOSAS vs. OSAS. That's up to you, of course.

If I had enough self-disciple to, I would have left off even responding to the NOSAS posts containing more insults and insinuations or even blatant accusations about me "not being saved at all" or "not believing in Jesus" etc etc.

Haha. Yeah. I know how hard it is to just let those posts go, so I can't blame you for responding to them. I can't be sure that I can keep from responding to them myself. For now, I don't feel like it, but that could change.

Unfortunately though, having the self-discipline not to respond in those circumstances is not something I always manage to do when being maligned and personally attacked.

I completely understand. As I'm sure you know. You've seen me being unable to avoid responding myself in those type of circumstances in the past. I'm trying to be better about that, but I don't always succeed. Especially in the case of certain posters here. You probably can guess who I mean (not you) based on recent "discussions" I've had with them.

 

[Behold]

You can call me a liar all you like.

Would you like to prove it again? @Zao is life

 

[Behold]

those are who join the Gog-Magog rebellion.

These 5 :

Russia
China
Iran
Turkey
Syria

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Would you like to prove it again? @Zao is life

 

[Behold]

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Here is the thing.
You didnt read what they posted to me, that defined me as not being led of the the Spirit of God....ect, ect...X5......only because i didn't agree that Heb Chapter 10 is directed at CHRISTIANs.
So, im not going to sit quietly when some arrogant bible noob cult member posts something like that.. so, ive made them "think".
And i'll do it more, if they need it, and apparently they do.

So, be smarter @Spiritual Israelite ...... and read both sides, next time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here is the thing.
You didnt read what they posted to me, that defined me as not being led of the the Spirit of God....ect, ect...X5
So, im not going to sit quietly when some arrogant bible noob cult member posts something like that.. so, ive made them "think".
And i'll do it more, if they need it, and apparently they do.

So, be smarter @Spiritual Israelite ...... and read both sides, next time.

Grow up. He clearly indicated that he doesn't want to talk to you anymore and you are childishly begging for him to do so by trying to bait him. Are you that lonely, insecure and starved for attention that you need to try to bait him to talk to you despite him clearly not wanting to talk to you anymore?

 

[Behold]

Grow up. He clearly indicated that he doesn't want to talk to you anymore

Listen little one.

This member and i were having a conversation......until they posted the heresy that Heb Chap 10 proves that a Christian can lose their Salvation.
I disagreed, and showed them Acts 28:28, that is the same verses but found in the Acts of the Apostles..., and shows that those verses in Hebrews...are only dealing with unsaved .Jews........not Christians.
So, Zao, decided to then come and post that i was not lead of the Spirit..... and then i change my posts to them, and you only read those.......i see.
So, after they posted a couple of those to me, they then stated they were finished corresponding with me......and then they continued to send me more posts......so, i helped them understand that when you dont do what you say, you are not being honest.
Now, run along, and find someone else who is worth your time, if you continue to feel the need to be someone's forum cheerleader, @Spiritual Israelite .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Listen little one.

This member and i were having a conversation......until they posted the heresy that Heb Chap 10 proves that a Christian can lose their Salvation.
I disagreed, and showed them Acts 28:28, that is the same verses but found in the Acts of the Apostles..., and shows that those verses in Hebrews...are only dealing with unsaved .Jews........not Christians.
So, Zao, decided to then come and post that i was not lead of the Spirit..... and then i change my posts to them, and you only read those.......i see.
So, after they posted a couple of those to me, they then stated they were finished corresponding with me......and then they continued to send me more posts......so, i helped them understand that when you dont do what you say, you are not being honest.
Now, run along, and find someone else who is worth your time, if you continue to feel the need to be someone's forum cheerleader, @Spiritual Israelite .

Look here, little guy. If someone doesn't want to talk to you, then that is his choice. There's no need for you to beg him like an attention starved little boy to keep talking to you.

 

[Behold]

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Look here, little guy. If someone doesn't want to talk to you,

Yes, they said they had finished talking to me,.......no more correspondence, and then they have continued and continue and continued, so, i have continue to reply.
Now..Even somone like you can figure this out, i hope.
So..........Let see what they do next.

- See you there... @Spiritual Israelite

 

[Behold]

The churches often misconstrue what it means to be immortal. To be immortal simply means your body is alive forever -

Nonsense... @Zao is life

The Bible teaches that the "body is dead because of sin", and is not Immortal.

Thje NEW body that the Christian will receive will be eternal.

Now.......Here is the reality.

Man is a Tri-part being., because we are this.....""""""let us make man in OUR Image (likeness).""

So, as God is a Triune being.......Father -Son - Holy Spirit, = 3 as One

Man is : Body - Soul- Spirit. = 3 as One.

And as "God is A Spirit", .....we understand that this is the "eternal".

Therefore its the spirit in a person, that lives in the body, that is the eternal situation, and that is why after your body dies, your spirit does not., as its eternal, being made in the "image" of God.

God's Salvation through CHRIST's CROSS..... is the eternal restoration of our spirit having become born ... again.........as "in Christ",.. and "ONE with God".

This is permanently restored = "SPIRITUAL union" with God, that 1st Adam lost for all of us, and 2nd Adam restores to you, if you will give God your faith in Christ, and become : Born......again...... Spiritually.

 

[ewq1938]

Immortality means you are alive forever.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

G110
ἀθανασία
athanasia
ath-an-as-ee'-ah
From a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and G2288; deathlessness: - immortality.
Total KJV occurrences: 3


G110
ἀθανασία
athanasia
Thayer Definition:
1) undying, immortality, everlasting
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and G2288

 

[Hiddenthings]

Immortality means you are alive forever.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

G110
ἀθανασία
athanasia
ath-an-as-ee'-ah
From a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and G2288; deathlessness: - immortality.
Total KJV occurrences: 3


G110
ἀθανασία
athanasia
Thayer Definition:
1) undying, immortality, everlasting
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and G2288

That's correct, immortality is "put on", meaning it is something granted or applied to us by an external power (resurrection). It is qualitative, referring to a change in the nature of our being. In contrast, eternal life is quantitative, it refers to the duration of life. As a result of being made immortal, we are given life that is unending. By His Grace of course!

 

[Aunty Jane]

What I think is being missed here on this thread, that has descended into childish name calling and gaslighting….is that there are two forms of life that the Bible speaks of that never end….

1) “Immortality” (“athanasia”) literally means living forever under “the power of an indestructible life”….deathlessness…. a life self-sustained forever, needing nothing external to perpetuate life, and having no means to be put out of existence.

So who has such a life? Initially Paul wrote to Timothy that God alone possessed such an existence, being immortal means that God has always existed, he alone is without beginning or end.
When God grants immortality to Christ’s elect it is not the same as the immortality that God has, for the simple reason that only God had no beginning……all other creatures did.

2) The other form of ”everlasting life“ is what God gave all his intelligent children both in heaven and on earth…

Angels have a self-sustaining existence as spirit beings, as they have no external means of life support (that we know of) but can still be eliminated from existence if they abuse their free will and sin against God like satan and his demons have done. Their destiny is final….having disqualified themselves by their inexcusable conduct in opposition to God, they will have their lives taken from them….and only God can destroy them.

God’s earthly children were offered “everlasting life” which was also conditional…..being material creatures, they are dependent upon external means to continue living, and their lives would have continued indefinitely as long as they obeyed God and were granted access to “the tree of life”.
All other forms of life support….food, water and oxygen were abundantly supplied in unlimited quantity, but “the tree of life“ is what would be the means for them to live forever. (Gen 3:22-24) That is what they lost when they were evicted from the garden….and that is why we die. (Rom 5:12)

If we can discern the difference between “immortality” and “everlasting life”, we will see a much bigger picture that what is being squabbled over here.…IMO.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Angels have a self-sustaining existence as spirit beings, as they have no external means of life support (that we know of) but can still be eliminated from existence if they abuse their free will and sin against God like satan and his demons have done.

This is concerning! Mark 12:25

 

[ewq1938]

What I think is being missed here on this thread, that has descended into childish name calling and gaslighting….is that there are two forms of life that the Bible speaks of that never end….

I see zero difference between the two terms. God has always been immortal, never having a beginning or ending. Angels having a creation and a possible ending if they rebel against God and humans who have an ending and a death, but if faithful believers can be saved and have a resurrection unto a newly provided immortality...ie: no ending, no additional death. All will eventually be eternal life/immortality. The terms have the same meaning.

 

[ewq1938]

This is concerning! Mark 12:25

and:

Luk_20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

[Aunty Jane]

This is concerning! Mark 12:25

What is concerning about God being able to eliminate rebels from his universal family?….as the Creator of life, he also has the right to dictate its terms.

His terms in Eden were clear….obey me and live…or disobey me and die. Those were the only choices they had. Adam was told that at death, he would return to the dust…nothing more.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I see zero difference between the two terms. God has always been immortal, never having a beginning or ending. Angels having a creation and a possible ending if they rebel against God and humans who have an ending and a death, but if faithful believers can be saved and have a resurrection unto a newly provided immortality...ie: no ending, no additional death. All will eventually be eternal life/immortality. The terms have the same meaning.

The difference is important. An immortal cannot die, whereas a mortal can. Everlasting life is conditional in an ongoing way….immortality is not…..it is granted as a one off gift to those whom God has called to rule with his son in heaven. (Rev 20:6)

Like humans, Angels can keep living as long as they obey God. But unlike us material beings, they cannot kill one another. Nor can they die of natural causes. Have you ever read about demons killing other demons…or angels killing other angels? Only God can eliminate spirit creatures from existence.

Mortal humans have killed each other from the time Cain killed his brother.
Mortality is a very human thing shared by all the mortal beings who share this planet with us. (Eccl 3:19-20)
When you speak of resurrection, do you understand that there are two different kinds of resurrection?
One is to immortal spirit life in heaven for Christ’s elect…..and the other is for the general resurrection of the dead that Jesus will perform by calling them from their graves to a restoration of life here on earth, rather than a continuation of it somewhere else. (John 5:28-29)

Luk_20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Angels have no natural cause of death….we humans didn’t either until our first parents disobeyed and were evicted from the garden. Access to the “tree of life” was denied. (Gen 3:22-24) Dearh was inherited by all of Adam’s children.

Those humans who are resurrected to heaven will be given spirit bodies like the angels….they have to be, to dwell in the presence of God. No mortal human would survive the experience.