Do you believe the lie?

[Hiddenthings]

@PS95 look if you want to try and prove hypostasis I'll certainly entertain your attempts, but please know every theologian who has attempted draws to the conclusion its an unknowable mystery.

• The belief contradicts the clear purpose of Scripture, which is to make God and Jesus knowable.
• It obscures the true understanding of Christ’s nature and identity.
• Believing in a dual nature deflects from the true accountability of the atonement, which rests entirely on Christ being like us “in every respect” a foundation principle of his priesthood "taken from among men".
• It elevates tradition above the original Gospel, even though (oddly) you affirmed Jesus was a descendant of David according to the flesh.

Overall, it's a disappointing place to be when you consider the clarity and insight the true, original gospel offers.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Zao is life @Spiritual Israelite @marks

I hope you guys don't mind me butting in here. I have to say it truly breaks my heart when I see believers treat each other this way. Our Lord suffered so much for us on that cross, and what He asks is that we treat others the way we want to be treated and LOVE one another. Is not obedience to the Lord's command worth much?
False teachers- are those such as JWs, SDA etc..
YOU 3 are believers.- we are one body- Christ's body -and this way of behaving toward each other disrespects the Lord's body.
We all agree on the foundational salvational issues! Some things we will not all agree on but is it salvational? Do we tear apart Christ's body over non-essentials? I can't do it! We are all at varying places in our walk with the Lord. WE need to exhibit patience with each other and try to walk in the Spirit of love and gentleness, This is just not right. WE are ONE standing against the other spiritual forces here that love when you fight. Please reconcile? If not for my sake, that's fine- then do it for Jesus.
Kiss and make up people..!

I'm not sure why you included me here. Can you not see that I went out of my way to try to not make things personal with marks? I don't think there's anything personal between us. We agreed to disagree.

 

[Zao is life]

@Dan Clarkston 's Post #140 suffices for my view about that.

I'm not really reading his posts . . . just FYI

By who's choice? There is the new creation, who we are in spirit, and there is the flesh which is already condemned, and remains hostile to God. The new creation spirit would not depart from God. The flesh remains hostile to God.

If we walk in the Spirit, we won't do the works of the flesh. Included such things as "rejecting God", that is clearly a work of the flesh. The flesh is already condemned.

Notice how this part is contrasted against this part?

Personally I prefer the King James, I find it a better translation,

Hebrews 6:4-9 KJV

8) But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9) But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

This shows the contrast more clearly, Things that accompany salvation, which are better things, the writer says, than those things said above.

Notice in verses 4 and 5 how the writer gives a list of things, but does not include any reference to rebirth? Or being baptized into Christ? Or being in the body of Christ? None of the ways salvation in the NT is spoken of are used here.

However, everything said can be applied to the Jews who saw Jesus.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened,

They heard Jesus, they saw Jesus, the true light, that enlightens every man. But not every man is saved.

and have tasted of the heavenly gift,

They received a taste, being healed, demons cast out, bread and fish multiplied . . .

and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

in the simple aorist tense, not like the perfect tense used of those who hold their confidence to the end (Heb 10), Jesus sent out the 12, and then the 70, doing all the same miracles Jesus did by the power of the Holy Spirit.

5) And have tasted the good word of God,

He taught them all the Father commanded

and the powers of the world to come,

lit. the age to come. A glimpse into the future of Israel with Jesus reigns.

At the end of this part, the writer says that he's convinced of better things than what he's written about, things that accompany salvation. The preceding part therefore is not "things that accompany salvation".

So rather than saying a saved person may be permanently unsaved, which conflicts with much Scripture, he's saying that these who saw Him, heard Him, were healed by Him, some of whom even did the same works as Him, these cannot be brought back to repentance.

These are the ones who could commit blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, claiming Jesus' works (which proved His identity) were satanic in origin. All sins would be forgiven men except this one. This one sin, where the rulers of the people blasphemed the Holy Spirit so the people would not believe.

Think about it.

Much love!

Sorry but I don't agree with the way you're dissecting that passage. Smacks to me of trying to make what it's saying comply with your view, or with what you prefer it to be saying. Nobody is made a partaker of the Holy Spirit unless that person has been born of the Spirit. You're ignoring the fact that they are falling away from something.

That's a rather light view of the years I've spent considering all the different ways these words might be understood, on something so integral to a correct soteriology.

So, you don't know me, and you don't know me to be this way, or that way. Right? Forget about me. I'm just some guy typing on the internet. Best used for cat videos and arguing with strangers.

The one thing I ask you, consider what I say, whether it may be true. My goal isn't to show you my interpretations, rather to show what the words say for themselves.

Much love!

I'm sorry I don't want to offend you knowing your years of research. See my Post #162.

Years of research beginning with attempting to find proof of a premise that's false can do that to a person. Not meaning to minimize your work but just being honest.

I think the way you're explaining the plain meaning away is convoluted. Maybe because my years of research and prayerful study - asking God for understanding of the scriptures - has led me to an entirely different conclusion.

And that's the problem with the human mind that the teaching of the Spirit has to pass through. It's no different for any of us.

We should agree now to disagree because I'm too straight-forward and you've taken offense.

We are all being compared to branches in that passage. And Jesus is being compared to a vine. So cast forth as a branch simply means cast away like a dead branch would be cast away.

Yes, let's be honest. You don't know me so you'll have to take my word for it. That's not me. I'm a lover of truth. That's why I became Christian in the first place. I've spent years examining every possible relevant verse to see what it was the Bible teaches about our salvation. I'll be happy to look through each one with you.

You impugne my motives, only because my conclusions don't match yours.

Much love!

I believe you but I also believe me when I place myself and yourself in the same category of human beings whose minds and intellect have an interfering effect on the teaching that the Holy Spirit is giving us.

Just because I believe you are wrong (which I truly do - I don't disagree for the sake of debate) doesn't mean either you or I are necessarily correct.

But I'm also a lover of the truth and I truly do not believe that the way you are dissecting the passage is accurate.

Ok, but I do appreciate if you can stick to the topic, and I'm not the topic. Just sayin'.

It's a way to disregard what I'm telling you. But I'm totally serious, if you look, you will see what I'm saying is correct. John's Greek is very simple, very plain. That's why they start first year Koine Greek students on translating John. It's beginner level.

Much love!

No, I've not taken offense, I want to keep the conversation on track. There is no fruitfulness, imo, to each of us sharing our opinions of each other base on our perceptions of this brief exchange. There is much fruitfulness to discussing the Scriptures.

Much love!

(But @marks you did take offense because I was not agreeing with you and "you love the truth" and "have done years of study") so despite the hundreds of years of the study of others and the many years of my study or anyone else's, you are right and everyone who disagrees with you does not love the truth - that's what it implies - about everyone who does not agree with you:

Carried away to where? According to verse 6, they are taken away and burned in the fire.


Your argument about this verse does not make any sense. All references to people who are in Christ in John 15 compare them to being like branches. He's never referring to literal branches there. The branches figuratively represent those who are in Christ, so in that way all of those who are in Christ are like branches whether they are fruitful or not.

Verse 2 shows that Jesus contrasted branches who are in Him and are fruitful with those branches who are in Him and are not fruitful. He does the exact same thing in verses 5 and 6.

It continues like this. The more I ask @marks that we should stop because we are not going to agree, the more he insists he needs to teach me why I'm wrong and he's right.

@marks why did you not simply start your own thread about the subject when it's plain we do not agree and we have both given reasons why we do not agree?

I'll tell you why - it's because you were determined to "prove" to me why I'm wrong and you are right, and it means that I do not love the truth "do not hear His voice" etc etc or believe scriptures.

You imply things as you go along - NICE things about yourself and NASTY things about the person you're talking to. Then you take offense at the slightest thing, and act as though the person you're talking to is "unkind" or "nasty" (whatever).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

(But @marks you did take offense because I was not agreeing with you and "you love the truth" and "have done years of study") so despite the hundreds of years of the study of others and the many years of my study or anyone else's, you are right and everyone who disagrees with you does not love the truth - that's what it implies - about everyone who does not agree with you:



It continues like this. The more I ask @marks that we should stop because we are not going to agree, the more he insists he needs to teach me why I'm wrong and he's right.

@marks why did you not simply start your own thread about the subject when it's plain we do not agree and we have both given reasons why we do not agree?

I'll tell you why - it's because you were determined to "prove" to me why I'm wrong and you are right, and it means that I do not love the truth "do not hear His voice" etc etc or believe scriptures.

You imply things as you go along - NICE things about yourself and NASTY things about the person you're talking to. Then you take offense at the slightest thing, and act as though the person you're talking to is "unkind" or "nasty" (whatever).

I have to agree. I don't know how he can deny that telling someone "I love the truth" doesn't come across as him implying that the person he is talking to doesn't love the truth. Or telling someone he has done years of study doesn't come across as him implying that he thinks the person he is talking to hasn't also done years of study. Whether that was his intention or not, that is how it comes across.

 

[Zao is life]

Hebrews 3:14 YLT
14) for partakers we have become of the Christ, if the beginning of the confidence unto the end we may hold fast,

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This gets back to the grammar.

"we have become" is in the perfect tense, that is, an action with enduring effect. Something that is done that remains done. It's like an unrung bell. Until you ring it, that's what it is. Then you ring it. It will never again be an unrung bell. That's the sense of the perfect tense.

This passage is saying that some have become partakers of Christ, and remain that way, but it's only true IF they actually hold their confidence to the end.

Your way of interpreting the tenses is completely faulty.

The Hebrews passage is another way of saying if you do not abide in the Vine you will wither and die and be cast forth as a branch and be burned.

Jesus is the source of eternal life - the only source. The reason He gave us illustrations from nature is so that we can understand - like the illustration of living water is given to us so that we can understand that just like if we do not continually drink water, we will DIE OF THIRST, so we must continually drink the living water or we will die

It's plain to see that the reason why you choose your way of interpreting the tenses, is because you have begun with an OSAS premise and so need to make the passage comply with OSAS.

It's very obvious to all except those who believe in OSAS.

 

[PS95]

I'm not sure why you included me here. Can you not see that I went out of my way to try to not make things personal with marks? I don't think there's anything personal between us. We agreed to disagree.

ahh dont take it personally. I didn't read all of this thread. It was a general statement. I am really bothered by the way people treat fellow believers on this forum overall. WE all need to remember that even when provoked by another believer to step back before replying. That's all I was saying. That includes me. I probably should have just started a thread on it instead. haha Can you imagine that?

 

[PS95]

(But @marks you did take offense because I was not agreeing with you and "you love the truth" and "have done years of study") so despite the hundreds of years of the study of others and the many years of my study or anyone else's, you are right and everyone who disagrees with you does not love the truth - that's what it implies - about everyone who does not agree with you:



It continues like this. The more I ask @marks that we should stop because we are not going to agree, the more he insists he needs to teach me why I'm wrong and he's right.

@marks why did you not simply start your own thread about the subject when it's plain we do not agree and we have both given reasons why we do not agree?

I'll tell you why - it's because you were determined to "prove" to me why I'm wrong and you are right, and it means that I do not love the truth "do not hear His voice" etc etc or believe scriptures.

You imply things as you go along - NICE things about yourself and NASTY things about the person you're talking to. Then you take offense at the slightest thing, and act as though the person you're talking to is "unkind" or "nasty" (whatever).

Well you didn't ask me but I will offer how I see this- It's simple.
If we are truly saved, born again- God keep us and no one can snatch us. That is security!!! Do we have free will so that we can choose to walk away? I think we do-- BUT I also believe that God's Spirit in us will convict us and remind us to come home when we stray. I am convicted all day long every time I have a brief mean thought toward another. So, do I think I would be reminded if I was falling away- YES. In that sense I see OSAS.
I do not accept it the way some people do. That we can sin all we like and still be saved. Oh please. Either that person was never saved- or they are grieving the Spirit in total rebellion. I lean toward the former, but I don't know for sure. My job would be to gently warn that person a time or two and be done.
I will not include myself with people who actually fight over this and act superior toward the other person's view.
But I do have a real problem with teaching licentiousness/salvation. That's just plain ridiculous.

am I a heretic now? lol

 

[Zao is life]

Well you didn't ask me but I will offer how I see this- It's simple.
If we are truly saved, born again- God keep us and no one can snatch us. That is security!!! Do we have free will so that we can choose to walk away? I think we do-- BUT I also believe that God's Spirit in us will convict us and remind us to come home when we stray. I am convicted all day long every time I have a brief mean thought toward another. So, do I think I would be reminded if I was falling away- YES. In that sense I see OSAS.
I do not accept it the way some people do. That we can sin all we like and still be saved. Oh please. Either that person was never saved- or they are grieving the Spirit in total rebellion. I lean toward the former, but I don't know for sure. My job would be to gently warn that person a time or two and be done.
I will not include myself with people who actually fight over this and act superior toward the other person's view.
But I do have a real problem with teaching licentiousness/salvation. That's just plain ridiculous.

am I a heretic now? lol

I see it like this: This earth is a desert where there is absolutely no water except in the only oasis in the desert. One person owns the only oasis where there is water, and offers that water freely to all who desire it .

But you have to remain near to the oasis and continually drink of the water there, because if you stray away too far you will get lost and will die of thirst, and may never find your way back even if you want to come back.

And the owner of the oasis is not forcing anyone to stay in the oasis, and there are a lot of exciting things going on in the desert, far away from the oasis.

 

[PS95]

I see it like this: This earth is a desert where there is absolutely no water except in the only oasis in the desert. One person owns the only oasis where there is water, and offers that water freely to all who desire it .

But you have to remain near to the oasis and continually drink of the water there, because if you stray away too far you will get lost and will die of thirst, and may never find your way back even if you want to come back.

And the owner of the oasis is not forcing anyone to stay in the oasis, and there are a lot of exciting things going on in the desert, far away from the oasis.

I agree-abiding- but I will add God Spirit in us changes us so we want to abide.

 

[Hiddenthings]

So if anyone - any CREATED human being - has been given eternal life by God, your eternal life is not in yourself, but IN CHRIST, who alone has life IN HIMSELF. Christ in you = eternal life in you.​

If you believe that Jesus already possessed life within himself, that he had a divine, eternal nature then how could that life be something that was given to Him? You can’t be given something you already inherently have. If Christ always possessed life in himself, then it couldn’t have been granted to him.

To maintain this belief, you would almost have to align with the Jehovah's Witnesses’ view: that Jesus existed in some pre-human form, such as an angel or some immortal being, before being given life in himself. But this contradicts Trinitarian doctrine, which teaches that Jesus was eternally equal with God and always had this divine life.

So, your statement seems to undermine the Trinity itself since if life was given to Christ, he couldn’t have always had it, nor could he have been equal with the Father from eternity. The logic simply doesn’t hold unless you reinterpret or reject one of these positions.

Would you like to know how trinitarian theologians have handled this issue?

 

[Hiddenthings]

In fact, the only logical response to your comment is that Jesus was a created being who, because of something unique about him, was granted Life (within himself).

The question then becomes: what was this unique quality or attribute about Christ that the Father bestowed upon Jesus to give him Life?

Philippians 2:5-11 Jesus taking on the form (character) of a servant and becoming obedient “to the point of death, even death on a cross.” Because of this humility and obedience, God highly exalted him and gave him the name above every name.

So, this is interesting...not only was Jesus given Life within himself but also a name and exalted to a position not previously held otherwise how could it be given?

 

[Zao is life]

I agree-abiding- but I will add God Spirit in us changes us so we want to abide.

I agree, but in Luke 8:13-14 and Matthew 24:9-10 Jesus talks about reasons why human beings may decide "this isn't worth it", forgetting that the oasis is the only oasis in the desert in which the water is found.

The difference is between knowing that in nature we will die if we do not continually drink water on one hand, and not fully believing that if we fall away and stop drinking continually of the living water, we will die, on the other hand.

Depth of faith / believing and depth of commitment varies among human beings - Jesus said so in Luke 8:13-14. He will not lose any that are truly His because He gives the water of life freely to all who choose to abide in Him. But God does not override human choices for those who decide for whatever reason, "this isn't worth it" (Luke 8:14-14).

 

[Zao is life]

If you believe that Jesus already possessed life within himself, that he had a divine, eternal nature then how could that life be something that was given to Him?

The Son of God is the word of God who became a human being. God gave to the human being who is the Son of God to possess eternal life in Himself. No other human being - no created human being - possesses eternal life in himself, or ever will. The human being who is the Son of God is begotten of the Father, not created.

-- "I am the First and the Last, and the Living One,
and I became dead, and behold, I am alive to the ages of the ages, Amen.
And I have the keys of hades and of death." -- Revelation 1:17-18.​

Christ alone can possess the keys of hades and of death, because He died, and rose again from the dead because death could not hold Him. He is the Word of God in Whom is life [zoe], made flesh (John 1:4,14).

 

[Hiddenthings]

The Son of God is the word of God who became a human being. God gave to the human being who is the Son of God to possess eternal life in Himself. No other human being - no created human being - possesses eternal life in himself, or ever will.

-- "I am the First and the Last, and the Living One,
and I became dead, and behold, I am alive to the ages of the ages, Amen.
And I have the keys of hades and of death." -- Revelation 1:17-18.​

Christ alone can possess the keys of hades and of death, because He died, and rose again from the dead because death could not hold Him. He is the Word of God in Whom is life [zoe], made flesh (John 1:4,14).

You've got things mixed up there, Zao. Keep looking, and you'll see that Christ is the firstborn from the dead, just as it says in Revelation 1:5

“And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood...” (ESV)

If you focus your attention on the meaning of "firstborn" and how it relates to Christ as the first created human to receive immortality, you'll see that it was because of his sinlessness that he was granted Life within Himself, declared to be the Son of God with power.

Also, your post did not deal with the word "granted"...this is a problem for you.

 

[Zao is life]

In fact, the only logical response to your comment is that Jesus was a created being who, because of something unique about him, was granted Life (within himself).

The question then becomes: what was this unique quality or attribute about Christ that the Father bestowed upon Jesus to give him Life?

Philippians 2:5-11 Jesus taking on the form (character) of a servant and becoming obedient “to the point of death, even death on a cross.” Because of this humility and obedience, God highly exalted him and gave him the name above every name.

So, this is interesting...not only was Jesus given Life within himself but also a name and exalted to a position not previously held otherwise how could it be given?

The bold parts are JW doctrine. Jesus Himself spoke about the glory He had with the Father before the world began, before He humbled Himself to take human flesh upon himself by becoming a human being.

@Spiritual Israelite @PS95 - just so you're aware of possible reasons why this "hidden things" person is a troll.

 

[Zao is life]

You've got things mixed up there, Zao. Keep looking, and you'll see that Christ is the firstborn from the dead, just as it says in Revelation 1:5

“And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood...” (ESV)

If you focus your attention on the meaning of "firstborn" and how it relates to Christ as the first created human to receive immortality, you'll see that it was because of his sinlessness that he was granted Life within Himself, declared to be the Son of God with power.

Also, your post did not deal with the word "granted"...this is a problem for you.

Christ is not a created human. He is begotten of God the Father.

I'm not debating your JW doctrine with you because debating JW doctrine with someone who believes it, is fruitless and pointless.

Besides this, before deciding to be more respectful in the way you say things, you've been nothing but a troll.

You do not understand the Trinity. How can you assume to teach me or anyone else what Trinitarian doctrine teaches?

For the reader: The word "Trinity" is not found in the scriptures. Trinitarian doctrine - which "hidden truth" purports to be an expert in by implying that he is able to teach others about it - exists only to attempt to explain something that can only be spiritually understood: The fact that God reveals Himself as Father, Word and Holy Spirit in His creation, as well as in the scriptures, and the fact that the Word is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Word, and the Father is not the Word of the Holy Spirit, but there is only ONE God, who is ONE LORD.​

God is a Spirit

The Living God. Psalm 33:6 By the word of YHVH were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath (Hebrew: ruach, i.e Spir...

god-of-the-living.blogspot.com

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You've got things mixed up there, Zao. Keep looking, and you'll see that Christ is the firstborn from the dead, just as it says in Revelation 1:5

“And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood...” (ESV)

If you focus your attention on the meaning of "firstborn" and how it relates to Christ as the first created human to receive immortality, you'll see that it was because of his sinlessness that he was granted Life within Himself, declared to be the Son of God with power.

Also, your post did not deal with the word "granted"...this is a problem for you.

If you don't allow for the possibility of Jesus being both God and man at the same time, you will never understand. Scripture clearly teaches that He is both God and man and you have no excuse for not believing that.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Christ is not a created human. He is begotten of God the Father.​

So the source of his life in not in himself as you rightly state God granted him life within himself. To mean it was not in him prior to his resurrection.

I'm not debating your JW doctrine with you because debating JW doctrine with someone who believes it, is fruitless and pointless.​

You don't listen all that well do you Zao? I am not a JW - JW's believe Jesus pre-existed but I do not.

Besides this, before deciding to be more respectful in the way you say things, you've been nothing but a troll.​

Calling me a troll because you are unable to overcome the arguments and teachings I'm presenting is not a good look for you, as it was not for PS95.

You do not understand the Trinity. How can you assume to teach me or anyone else what Trinitarian doctrine teaches?​

Like I said, you say one thing and a quoted verse but the verse it teaching something entirely different. How can Christ have life within himself "before" his Father granted it to him?

Simple question.

For the reader: The word "Trinity" is not found in the scriptures. Trinitarian doctrine - which "hidden truth" purports to be an expert in by implying that he is able to teach others about it - exists only to attempt to explain something that can only be spiritually understood: The fact that God reveals Himself as Father, Word and Holy Spirit in His creation, as well as in the scriptures, and the fact that the Word is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Word, and the Father is not the Word of the Holy Spirit, but there is only ONE God, who is ONE LORD.

God is a Spirit

The Living God. Psalm 33:6 By the word of YHVH were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath (Hebrew: ruach, i.e Spir...

god-of-the-living.blogspot.com

Everyone in the forum understands the above.

You misrepresented 1 Timothy 6, and that was addressed and corrected. Then you went on to misrepresent John 5:26 as well. Instead of correcting that, I’ve asked you several questions, none of which you’ve responded to.

Name calling and appealing to the wider audience is not going to help you.

The Bible teaches plainly that Jesus isn't God, he is the son of God and of a woman.

Let me show you how the OT believers understood this subject:

For you (Yahweh) are the one (person) who gives and sustains life. Ps 36:9.

Jesus is stating exactly the same ideas in John 5:26

The source of Life and its access is what both David and Christ are speaking to with clarity and conviction. For mankind, Christ is the source of life, according to conditions established by God.

As David wrote, “He asked life of You, and You gave it to him—length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35) and, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (for Life) except through me” (John 14:6).

If you are worthy (and I) to be granted life and access to the Sole Giver of Life we must need go through Christ, by faith.

We, including Christ, will have received their life from God, we do not possess it inherently or independently!!!

So:

• God has life inherently (by nature, self-existing).
• Angels and Christ (in his glorified state) have life derivatively—granted to them by the Father.

Now, I'm not concerned if you spit the proverbial dummy, jump up and down, and call me a troll, or whatever tantrum you wish to demonstrate. These truths come from John 5:26, John 14:6, Psalm 21:4, and Psalm 36:9.

You know this to be true which is why you will not and cannot answer my post with a true and honest heart. Your heart must be pruged of these false teachings and accept what you have been posting is false.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Everyone, do not be deceived by the wolves in sheep's clothing. Scripture very clearly teaches that Jesus is God, so don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

John 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Jesus was to be called "the mighty God" and that is what He was called because He is God. All praise to our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ! Our blessed hope is for His appearing when we can bow down to Him as our great God and Savior!

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Everyone, do not be deceived by the wolves in sheep's clothing. Scripture very clearly teaches that Jesus is God, so don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

John 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Jesus was to be called "the mighty God" and that is what He was called because He is God. All praise to our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ! Our blessed hope is for His appearing when we can bow down to Him as our great God and Savior!

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

You can see it can't you Spiritual? @Zao is life

As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35) and, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (for Life) except through me” (John 14:6).

Read it carefully and you will see why and how Jesus is the first fruits of them that sleep. You will also see how high God exalted His Son in raising him from the dead and blessing him with Life Eternal. The first of his brothers!

For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he (Jesus) is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name (God's Name) to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” Hebrews 2:11-12

I'll let you piece it together in your own time.