This identification is found in Isaiah 63:7-14 where all three persons in the Godhead are mentioned doing precisely the same thing. It needs to be remembered that the title “the angel or messenger of Jehovah’s presence” is an appellation which identifies God the Son.
In Isaiah 63:7-8 it is the LORD that is Jehovah who is seen as the savior of the people of God. In verse 9 we are told it is the messenger of His presence that is God the Son. It was He who led them to the place of tranquil rest. And, yet in verses 13-14 we read that it was the Spirit of God who caused the chosen people to rest.
There can be no doubt that the Hebrew Old Testament taught the plurality of persons subsisting in the unity of the Godhead. This, of course, is quite reasonable in as much as the same Author wrote both the Old and the New Testaments.
This is a short version to show one of many doctrines of the Trinity.
In fact, there is a big problem among Christendom today who it is that wrote the Bible. Had they known, all would have listened and obeyed what was written.
If Jehovah claimed He is the only Savior and none beside Him in Isaiah 43:11, then Jesus IS Jehovah according to Matthew 1:21!!! As you also affirmed above.
No, it is NOT crystal clear as you make it seem. At least it is foreign to me. I don’t know which Star Wars or Cinderella bible you were quoting.
To God Be The Glory
Jun2u:
The expression of Isaiah 63:9, ‘and the angel of his presence,’ means: I, God Almighty, I am the messenger (angel), of my own/ in my own presence, not an angel that saved Israel. Many Bibles drive this verse meaning home emphatically by placing it in their translations…here are five Bible version examples:
It was no sent one or angel, but he himself who was their saviour: in his love and in his pity he took up their cause, and he took them in his arms, caring for them all through the years. (BBE)
out of all their affliction: not an ambassador, nor a messenger, but himself saved them, because he loved them and spared them: he himself redeemed them, and took them up, and lifted them up all the days of old. (Brenton)
from all their suffering. It was not an angel, but the LORD himself who saved them. In his love and compassion he rescued them. He had always taken care of them in the past, (GNB)
In all their troubles he was troubled, and he was the Messenger who saved them. In his love and compassion he reclaimed them. He always held them and carried them in the past. (GW)
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(Isa 63:9) In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the angel of His presence saved them: in His love and in His pity he redeemed them; and He bore them, and carried them all the days of old.
(Isa 63:10) But they rebelled and grieved His holy spirit: therefore He was turned to be their enemy, and He Himself fought against them. (ALL NEV)
Now in verse 10 we see that the messenger was in fact God Almighty who is the only one with the source of pure and holy spirit. And he fought against Israel.
Now was you are inferring is that Jesus Christ was the savior of Israel and then fought against them. Is this your truth then? It’s not mine.
Moving on to your jubilant discovery where you think I prove your point/belief with my own words.
(Isa 43:11) I Myself am Yahweh; and besides Me there is no saviour. (NEV)
(Mat 1:21) And she shall give birth to a son, and you shall call his name Jesus; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins. (NEV)
Now if one understands that Yahwh conceived Jesus as the instrument for our salvation, then one must understand that God could not be the human sacrifice for our sins. Jesus had to be a human being.
So, it is obvious that both Jesus and his Father were the two separate and unequal personalities that executed the plan of salvation for mankind. The Father was the brains behind it (the true Father of salvation for mankind) all, and the son the humble servant, the son of man that loved his Father and us; and was the lamb of God. What a perfect team eh? Each had to perform their own parts, uniquely. It was Jesus that had to be tested and required his Father’s help all the way to the cross. Without his Father’s help Jesus would have failed.
And so, no, Jesus is not equal to his Father. Again, as I said already, the Father is superior and alone, above all creation, and the son is inferior as the first of the new creation that we as believers will follow him into immortality.
Bless you,
APAK