Does anyone believe in Evolution anymore?

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Willie T

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Sorry for being facetious.

So...how do you, or do you at all, explain the biblical narrative?
Could anyone speak of genes and DNA to the people of the Biblical times? They didn't even know of germs and bacteria. Of course they had to be related to in terms of fairy tales.
 

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In Darwin's time, naturalists had to rely largely on physical appearance to distinguish species, but genetics has revealed a lot of 'surprises' in this area. With Darwin's finches we could well be seeing evolution in progress: species that have begun to diverge (it might be more accurate to call them subspecies) but haven't yet reached the point of being unable to interbreed. There are numerous other examples in nature.
Which is different from Caucasian, Black, and Asian how, exactly? At one time "pop science" claimed they were different species. Then "real science" rebuked that as false nonsense. Now Genetics seems to be bringing us full circle. There are distinct coloration differences and physiological differences among genetically identifiable population groups that are used to attract a mate (just like the finches). So are the "human races" sub-species that have begun to diverge?

The moving of the goalpost to "prove" evolution has opened the door to some very ugly unintended consequences. I suspect that there is a small chance that speciation may be possible and God created Genus as "kind", but I am more inclined to believe that sub-species are the same species and God created the true species.

So far all of the basic ideas about what evolution is and how it works have been proven wrong ... it is not gradual, it is not steady, it is not an incramental change ... it is rapid, it occurs in bursts with long periods of stability between, and we have still never observed it. Where is real evolution, like the birth of a new and higher family than mammalia? Or a new Order evolving?
 

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Could anyone speak of genes and DNA to the people of the Biblical times? They didn't even know of germs and bacteria. Of course they had to be related to in terms of fairy tales.
Fairy Tales, you’re not Christian?
 

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Fairy Tales, you’re not Christian?
Do you believe God "hung" the stars in the sky as the Bible says, or do you think they are there because of gravitational forces, and probably some other effects even we today (let alone, Biblical era people) cannot fully understand.
 

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Could anyone speak of genes and DNA to the people of the Biblical times? They didn't even know of germs and bacteria. Of course they had to be related to in terms of fairy tales.
"fairy tales" is a VERY POOR choice of words.

fairy tale
noun
1 a : a story (as for children) involving fantastic forces and beings (such as fairies, wizards, and goblins
b : a story in which improbable events lead to a happy ending
2 : a made-up story usually designed to mislead​

Genesis 1 is a specific literary form written as a distinct theological polemic against the surrounding polytheistic gods and mythologies. A remarkable work for its date. It was never intended as a geology or astronomy textbook.
 

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Do you believe God "hung" the stars in the sky as the Bible says, or do you think they are there because of gravitational forces, and probably some other effects even we today (let alone, Biblical era people) cannot fully understand.
I believe God created heaven and Earth and everything in between.
 

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Could anyone speak of genes and DNA to the people of the Biblical times? They didn't even know of germs and bacteria. Of course they had to be related to in terms of fairy tales.
Looks like you have fallen under the spell of the evolutionists and unbelievers! Why would anyone need to speak of genes and DNA in biblical times? They certainly knew of germs and bacteria, since God gave Israel very specific instructions to avoid contaminating themselves with germs and bacteria. Read and study the Torah.

What genes and DNA prove is what God has already revealed in the Bible. Every species is distinct from every other species, and all of mankind has the same genetic components.

DNA survey finds all humans are 99.9 pc the same
Whether you hail from Surbiton, Ulan Bator or Nairobi, your genetic make-up is strikingly similar to that of every other person on Earth, an analysis concludes today...

Although scientists have long recognised that, despite physical differences, all human populations are genetically similar, the new work concludes that populations from different parts of the world share even more genetic similarities than previously assumed.

All humans are 99.9 per cent identical and, of that tiny 0.1 per cent difference, 94 per cent of the variation is among individuals from the same populations and only six per cent between individuals from different populations.

DNA survey finds all humans are 99.9pc the same

This is simply a confirmation of what God revealed over 6,000 years ago, and which was confirmed by Paul: And [God] hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation... (Acts 17:26).
 
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Do you believe God "hung" the stars in the sky as the Bible says...
That is simply metaphoric language. We commonly say that the sun rises and sets, but that is not the precise nature of sunrise and sunset. Looks like unbelief is creeping into you.
 
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Do you believe God "hung" the stars in the sky as the Bible says, or do you think they are there because of gravitational forces, and probably some other effects even we today (let alone, Biblical era people) cannot fully understand.
That’s not what I asked you.;)
 

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Could anyone speak of genes and DNA to the people of the Biblical times? They didn't even know of germs and bacteria. Of course they had to be related to in terms of fairy tales.
I get it that when talking to children about mature subjects, all parents, even God, makes adjustments to bring things to their level...and sometimes even fairy tales. But the news of Santa Claus not being real is different than the linage of God's chosen, including the first Adam being a parable to the Last Adam.

I also get it that the natural (which is first) is a far cry from the spiritual, as a prelude example of being born of the spirit of God as His spiritual children, into a spiritual realm we have no more knowledge of than an unborn babe in the womb has of the outside world.

But the exception is God. He is true, regardless...or the whole thing is a fraud, which it is not.

So...one can bring things up to speed, up to the infinitely more complex level, even talk baby-talk. But one cannot make God untrue. Nor can one take away the parable of the natural and replace it with something scientific. No, the parable is the parable [yes] even if "created" out of a "void" of "light" and "energy." That is to say, one can say it is all just like a movie or a written story fabricated for the purpose of conveying a greater truth composed of nothing of the same sort. But within the internal context of the movie or story, the truth is true according to its own context. Whereas, the subject of that created parable context has its own context as well. Thus, it is wrong to say that the object verses the subject of a parable is not true. God is true. In this same way, the story is Noah's ark and the entire parable of creation is true in the context of the "object", even if it is not true in the greater truth of the "subject", which is the spiritual kingdom of God. Neither can be dismissed.

In the end, again, God is the exception. Even if such things may appear to be nonsense, as a tale that is told to children; even if one were to take one of the simple parables and say, "See it is just a story to make a point", the words and the truth cannot be changed. In which case, God being true would come back and say, "It is true, because I said so, even if I made it up...because it was I who said it."
 
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Which is different from Caucasian, Black, and Asian how, exactly? At one time "pop science" claimed they were different species. Then "real science" rebuked that as false nonsense. Now Genetics seems to be bringing us full circle. There are distinct coloration differences and physiological differences among genetically identifiable population groups that are used to attract a mate (just like the finches). So are the "human races" sub-species that have begun to diverge?

The moving of the goalpost to "prove" evolution has opened the door to some very ugly unintended consequences. I suspect that there is a small chance that speciation may be possible and God created Genus as "kind", but I am more inclined to believe that sub-species are the same species and God created the true species.

So far all of the basic ideas about what evolution is and how it works have been proven wrong ... it is not gradual, it is not steady, it is not an incramental change ... it is rapid, it occurs in bursts with long periods of stability between, and we have still never observed it. Where is real evolution, like the birth of a new and higher family than mammalia? Or a new Order evolving?

The genetic variation between the different 'races' of humans is minuscule. Not even reaching the level of 'sub-species' (although it's possible that if global travel had never been invented, a few million years of separation in different areas of the world might allow sufficient genetic divergence for that to happen).

Incremental change is happening all the time, and often doesn't show up at an anatomical level. But then some environmental catastrophe may happen, or one more "incremental" change is sufficient to 'tip the balance', as it were. I'm no expert in either genetics or palaeontology, but I do know that genetics is giving us far more information about the 'mechanics' of evolution than comparing fossils ever did.

The appearance of a new order would be a very very rare event - it's only happened a handful of times in four billion years. So we're unlikely to witness it in our lifetime. That doesn't mean that "real" evolution isn't happening all around us. It's a bit like plate tectonics: the plates are moving all the time, but we are only aware of it when an earthquake happens. Evolution is similar (only on an even longer timescale).
 

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The Bible tells us that in the beginning God created the earth in seven days, not a million years. It seems that the more we learn as scientific and archaeological finds come to light, the less people believe in Evolution. Scientist summarizing Darwinism tell us as follows: “Life on earth evolved gradually beginning with one primitive species — perhaps a self-replicating molecule — that lived more than 3.5 billion years ago; it then branched out over time, throwing off many new and diverse species; and the mechanism for most (but not all) of evolutionary change is natural selection.”(Jerry A. Coyne, Why Evolution Is True (New York: Viking, 2009), p. 3.)

Yet there are no not one piece of evidence found of a gradual change from a "self-replicating molecule" to all the different species. There are no evidence of gradualism or that later species should have traits that make them look like the descendants of earlier ones. We don't find a fish changing to land crawler or a lizard changing to bird, in fact there is no evidence whatsoever of the ancestors or fossils that would show the lineage of any species. People are finding out that Evolution is a empty shell of false ideas and arguments, that is being exposed like the story of the King with no clothes.

There are numerous gradations within a species that are at times almost imperceptible. The problem is that between species there's a "gap", and evolution dictates that there should be numerous false starts to jump these gaps. Some then postulate a link that just hasn't been found, or as Chesterton says, "Their myth is called the Missing Link. They know nothing of their own argument except that it breaks down somewhere."

The Theory of Evolution has immense explanatory power. It just doesn't provide evidence for the theory. Where I think the theory really shines is as an allegory for the gospel message.

Evolutionists refer to "The Mechanism", {sometimes even capitalized!), but they fail to provide any evidence for the mechanism itself other than looking at the effects of the mechanism. The hypocrisy of their claims should be evident to anyone who has ever been asked to provide evidence for God after they've just pointed out all of creation. The Evolutionist simply replaces "creation" with "the observable world".

Regardless, "the Mechanism" blows where it will, you hear its voice, but you don't know where it comes from or where it goes, so it is with everything that is born of the Mechanism".

The gospel points out that "life springs eternal", it picks up the theory of evolution and runs with it. The theory itself points to God, but prefers its more scientifically sounding nomenclature as if that changes anything.
 

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Could anyone speak of genes and DNA to the people of the Biblical times? They didn't even know of germs and bacteria. Of course they had to be related to in terms of fairy tales.

No fairy tales required. Science is actually hundreds if not thousands of years behind the curve when it comes to dealing with germs and bacteria. The Mosaic law clearly points out that washing your hands with water is the best way to remain clean. Those who kept the law were notorious for their obsessive observance of these "rituals", but the fact remains that each and every one of the cleanliness laws kept observant Jews clean and healthy when their neighboring pagans, Christians, etc. were getting sick and dying. One doesn't need an in depth explanation of germs and bacteria to exercise what to an observant Jew is quite simply common sense. A prime example would have to include The Black Death.
 

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I believe in Jesus, I do not believe in evolution in the same way but evolution occurs. The continued denial of this fact by christians does a grave disservice to the faith and can only serve to paint christians in a bad light and make them appear as laughing stocks. The bible nowhere says that God did not use evolution to create living things or even humanity. I am convinced that no denier has ever won an argument with a scientist and inevitably has to resort to lies and deception to maintain his position. The bible tells us that God created all things, science tells us how He did it.
 

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I believe in Jesus, I do not believe in evolution in the same way but evolution occurs. The continued denial of this fact by christians does a grave disservice to the faith and can only serve to paint christians in a bad light and make them appear as laughing stocks. The bible nowhere says that God did not use evolution to create living things or even humanity. I am convinced that no denier has ever won an argument with a scientist and inevitably has to resort to lies and deception to maintain his position. The bible tells us that God created all things, science tells us how He did it.
Hi strobe,

While micro-evolution (change within a kind) is proven to occur, macro-evolution (change from one kind to another kind) has never been shown to occur.

In that many scientists believe in Biblical 6-day creation it would be incorrect to say that one must lie to scientists to make a case.

What evolutionists want to deny is that there was a global flood, because that, not slow processes, formed the fossil layers. But if they deny the flood, they can pretend that God won't judge the world again, and that God won't judge them.

The Bible doesn't say that God didn't hire space aliens to build the earth, but that's not what happened. It does tell us. In 6 days God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them, so on the 7th day, you rest. Not the 7th epoch. The 7th day.

If we can accept and believe these affirmative statements these sorts of questions are answered.

Much love!
 
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The Bible tells us that in the beginning God created the earth in seven days, not a million years. It seems that the more we learn as scientific and archaeological finds come to light, the less people believe in Evolution. Scientist summarizing Darwinism tell us as follows: “Life on earth evolved gradually beginning with one primitive species — perhaps a self-replicating molecule — that lived more than 3.5 billion years ago; it then branched out over time, throwing off many new and diverse species; and the mechanism for most (but not all) of evolutionary change is natural selection.”(Jerry A. Coyne, Why Evolution Is True (New York: Viking, 2009), p. 3.)

Yet there are no not one piece of evidence found of a gradual change from a "self-replicating molecule" to all the different species. There are no evidence of gradualism or that later species should have traits that make them look like the descendants of earlier ones. We don't find a fish changing to land crawler or a lizard changing to bird, in fact there is no evidence whatsoever of the ancestors or fossils that would show the lineage of any species. People are finding out that Evolution is a empty shell of false ideas and arguments, that is being exposed like the story of the King with no clothes.
I knew a man who used to teach evolution in school. One day it dawned on him that it is a total hoax. lol
 

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The Bible tells us that in the beginning God created the earth in seven days, not a million years. It seems that the more we learn as scientific and archaeological finds come to light, the less people believe in Evolution. Scientist summarizing Darwinism tell us as follows: “Life on earth evolved gradually beginning with one primitive species — perhaps a self-replicating molecule — that lived more than 3.5 billion years ago; it then branched out over time, throwing off many new and diverse species; and the mechanism for most (but not all) of evolutionary change is natural selection.”(Jerry A. Coyne, Why Evolution Is True (New York: Viking, 2009), p. 3.)

Yet there are no not one piece of evidence found of a gradual change from a "self-replicating molecule" to all the different species. There are no evidence of gradualism or that later species should have traits that make them look like the descendants of earlier ones. We don't find a fish changing to land crawler or a lizard changing to bird, in fact there is no evidence whatsoever of the ancestors or fossils that would show the lineage of any species. People are finding out that Evolution is a empty shell of false ideas and arguments, that is being exposed like the story of the King with no clothes.
re does anyone believe in evolution anymore ?
Most of the whole world population is already and has been always being deceived. Does it matter what they believe ?
 

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Hi strobe,

While micro-evolution (change within a kind) is proven to occur, macro-evolution (change from one kind to another kind) has never been shown to occur.

In that many scientists believe in Biblical 6-day creation it would be incorrect to say that one must lie to scientists to make a case.

What evolutionists want to deny is that there was a global flood, because that, not slow processes, formed the fossil layers. But if they deny the flood, they can pretend that God won't judge the world again, and that God won't judge them.

The Bible doesn't say that God didn't hire space aliens to build the earth, but that's not what happened. It does tell us. In 6 days God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them, so on the 7th day, you rest. Not the 7th epoch. The 7th day.

If we can accept and believe these affirmative statements these sorts of questions are answered.

Much love!
Nowhere does the bible say that fossils were created by the flood. Chalk cliffs are made from the fossilised skeletons of trillions of tiny sea creatures called coccolithophores laid down over untold eons of time. Within these cliffs can be found other fossilised animals. The process is slow and the Earth is billions, not thousands of years old. None of this conflicts with the bible.
Much love in Christ to you too.
 
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