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Ritajanice

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God can harden (literally strengthen) our heart. If we refuse to repent of a view or of s sin. He ill keep putting the truth in front of us, and force us to continue to deny, or repent of that particular belief or sin.
Not true for a Born Again, we have been Born Again of imperishable seed...you follow religion imo...

God does no such thing, he sees our sins no more.

Now listen, I am now going to put you on ignore, I find your posts written by you and your understanding of God’s word.in your own human understanding.
I’m letting you know because I know you get offended when I have ignored your posts in the past...I will be doing the same with Behold.

Now, have a wonderful day and God Bless,xx
 
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Not true for a Born Again, we have been Born Again of imperishable seed...you follow religion imo...
How would you know? You do not even it appears know what it means to harden ones heart.
God does no such thing, he sees our sins no more.
I never said otherwise. But he still tries to grow us, and we can still resist
Now listen, I am now going to put you on ignore, I find your posts written by you and your understanding of God’s word.in your own human understanding.

I’m letting you know because I know you get offended when I have ignored your posts in the past...I will be doing the same with Behold.

Now, have a wonderful day and God Bless,xx
Typical. Run, When people do not agree with you. you just run.

You fist attack them, then ignore them.

Whats amazing is you used to get mad when people did that to you.. Your just like them.
 

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Ronald, I hear God’s Spirit more and more, he is opening my ears and eyes to hear, to see,i remember when I first became Born Again, I saw Gods creation through my spirit, mind blowing.

What an honour having God showing us his creation through his Spirit to our spirit....

The Holy Spirit helps me to develop those spiritual eyes and ears....once again, Mind blowing and extremely exciting.

“But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;” (Matthew 13:16, NKJV) God gives spiritual sight and hearing to us once we have become born again believers in Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is given to us to develop these senses in our life as we learn to walk in the Spirit (Gal 5:16).

I am possessed by His Living word at the moment, I can’t get enough of hearing his voice.....
 
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The Spirit gives life because we are Born Again,the Spirit gives life to our spirit, because we are in the righteousness of Christ....we don’t have his righteousness, we are in his righteousness.our spirit has been set free from the shackles of spiritual death....we are Alive in Gods Spirit......Praise God...

Spirit gives birth to spirit....the Living Spirit Of God gives birth to our spirit. brings it Alive by the mighty power of His Living Spirit!


Romans 8:10
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But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.

New Living Translation
And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God.

English Standard Version
But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Berean Standard Bible
But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Berean Literal Bible
But if Christ is in you, the body is indeed dead on account of sin, but the Spirit is life on account of righteousness.

King James Bible
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

New King James Version
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
 

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Does God "know" everything?
I'm not sure why you put "know" in quotes. But yes, God knows everything because he creates everything.
This is the "fore-Knowledge" of God... or... God knowing be-fore it happened, what will happen, next.
The foreknowledge of God is not simply knowing what will happen before it happens, which we would call "prescience." Instead, when we talk about God's foreknowledge, we are referring to an intimate knowledge. In Genesis, it is mentioned that Adam "knew" his wife Eve. In the New Testament, Jesus speaks of some who will cast out demons in his name, but he will say to them "I never knew you." This implies that if God "foreknows" a people, it means that he was in a covenant relationship with them. Similarly, if Jesus knows someone, it means that person is a genuine and faithful follower of Jesus.


Does God cause everything to happen, that happens?
Yes.
John 1:3
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
I am not a Calvinist but I would think that a critique of Calvin should include direct quotes from his writings. How are we to know whether your claims about Calvin's teaching are fair and accurate?
 
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I would say that their tenant of "Unconditional Election" is the real culprit for hubris, pride, and licensed sin.

Since God is the reason for their state of Salvation then there's no possibility of them causing God to remove their state of election. Meaning they get to sin all they wish without consequences.
What you describe sounds like the typical sinner.
 
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God calls us, but He does not "gift us" to believe.

"The Gift of Faith", is a Spiritual Gift, given to the BORN AGAIN.. its not given to the Unbelievers to make them believe in Jesus.

Calvinism , is not of the Truth.
Is Salvation a gift?
 
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I'm not sure why you put "know" in quotes. But yes, God knows everything because he creates everything.

God didnt create your next post. so, He doesn't create everything...

You will create it.

You chose to do it, and God knew you would, before you were born, but he didnt predestine you to write it.

He only fore-knew it.

You chose to do it.

when we talk about God's foreknowledge, we are referring to an intimate knowledge

God has Foreknowledge of everyone who molests a child today.

They chose to do it and God knew they would., just like He knows the date they are going to get caught for choosing to do that to children.

Now where God "fore-knowing" gets interesting......where "foreknowledge" becomes "the rubber hits the road is, when the Bible reveals God's foreknowledge as prophecy.
 

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But fatalism says God willed it. thats why it happened..
Yes, that is an aspect of fatalism, but not all that fatalism is. The distinction between fatalism and Reformed doctrine is this. Fatalism teaches that we can do nothing to change things; what we do doesn't matter. Reformed doctrine denies this and is adamant that it DOES matter what we do.
 

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Look at this Ronald.

What is God saying here?

Proverbs 16:4 – The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

Romans 9:15-18​

King James Version​

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Romans 9:22-23​

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22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


Sounds like he endured with much long suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction?
I appreciate that your responses use scripture. :)
 
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God didnt create your next post. so, He doesn't create everything...
Yes, he did. God creates Everything that exists.
You will create it.
God creates me creating it.
You chose to do it, and God knew you would, before you were born, but he didnt predestine you to write it.
God creates me choosing to do it.
He only fore-knew it.
I explained that God's foreknowledge isn't his ability to know something that will happen. His "foreknowledge" is his relationship with an individual, a nation, or a family group.
God has Foreknowledge of everyone who molests a child today.
God creates everything that exists.
They chose to do it and God knew they would., just like He knows the date they are going to get caught for choosing to do that to children.

Now where God "fore-knowing" gets interesting......where "foreknowledge" becomes "the rubber hits the road is, when the Bible reveals God's foreknowledge as prophecy.
Foreknowledge isn't prophecy. These are two different concepts.
 
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God also knows everything about ourselves, I can remember as a new babe, trying to understand the Bible in the Spirit,( looking back) I could only understand in my own human understanding, all I knew was, that I was Born Again,..I didn’t even understand what it meant to understand the written word in the Spirit and if I’m being honest,I’ve only started to understand that I am not the boss of myself, God is, I learn from him, me trying to be the boss is ridiculous, what good is there in me,NONE.

It all takes time to understand in the Spirit, we will never stop learning in the Spirit, I can only learn from the Spirit, I can learn nothing from my own human understanding,I have to wait on God for that heart revelation..

The good that I believe I now have , is not of me, it’s of the Holy Spirit, that is the good that I have in me...being Born Again has been extremely difficult for me as God knows, he knows just how willfull I used to be, I’d do it even if it killed me, ( wrong attitude)which was done in ignorance, I would NEVR willfully go against God....I wouldn’t dare!!!!.... anyway I just thought I would share, I’m still learning to be God’s child and be a shining light for for him....there is no light in me, only the light of the Lord...I know this darn old mindset that has gotten me into so much trouble at times is definitely being renewed 100%.

Edit to add, I never had a proper education as I was to disturbed to learn and I’m sure I’m still ignorant in a lot of areas, only the Spirit in my heart can show me my ignorance and he does, but, all in His timing, His timing is perfect....God has taught me all I know, I have never been taught by John Calvin, I have not read any of his teachings, I understand the bible as God brings me to understand by his Spirit communicating with my spirit, then relayed to my mind...the Bible is a spirit filled book, therefore must be learnt by the Spirit of God, we have the witness in our hearts witnessing that truth, “ The Holy Spirit “....Praise His Holy Name!
My opinion/ testimony and belief.xx
 
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God didnt create your next post. so, He doesn't create everything...
Of course God creates some ( not all) of our posts, His Living messages via His Spirit can’t be stopped, God speaks through his children, he can speak his Living word through anyone,..then it’s written down, checked with his written word, we have a Living spiritual relationship with God...that’s how we communicate with God our spirit with His Spirit, then what he speaks to my spirit is relayed to my mind, How did he speak to Jesus and many others, if not by His Spirit?

That’s the purpose of being Born Again of imperishable seed.. we are in His Kingdom here on earth, my will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

Psalm 32:8
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I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you with my loving eye on you.

New Living Translation
The LORD says, “I will guide you along the best pathway for your life. I will advise you and watch over you.

English Standard Version
I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you with my eye upon you.

Berean Standard Bible
I will instruct you and teach you the way you should go; I will give you counsel and watch over you.

King James Bible
I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.

New King James Version
I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will guide you with My eye.

John 14:26​

King James Version​

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.




We should all be Spirit led, the Spirit does the will of the Father through us, he speaks through us at His appropriate time, like he is doing with me right this minute, how would I know what to say without his Spirit in my spirit guiding my mouth and it’s contents that come out of it?

That’s being in the Spirit and just letting the Spirit do the talking.

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord



Now on saying that, our ego ,pride can overtake, then that would be our old mindset speaking, hissy fits and all that which you and I have had lately,lol.

So yes....God is most definitely in control of every situation, he speaks when ever he wills to speak, it can’t be stopped, he is in control of his creation 100%...

Just my thoughts.xx
 
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God gave me this scripture just now, delivered to me by His Living word, I looked up what I believe he spoke to my spirit and here it is in His written word.

My opinion/ testimony and belief.xx​
Psalm 139
Berean Standard BiblePar ▾
You Have Searched Me and Known Me
For the choirmaster. A Psalm of David.
1O LORD, You have searched me
and known me.
2You know when I sit and when I rise;
You understand my thoughts from afar.
3You search out my path and my lying down;
You are aware of all my ways.
4Even before a word is on my tongue,
You know all about it, O LORD.
5You hem me in behind and before;
You have laid Your hand upon me.
6Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
too lofty for me to attain.
7Where can I go to escape Your Spirit?
Where can I flee from Your presence?

8If I ascend to the heavens, You are there;
if I make my bed in Sheol, You are there.
9If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle by the farthest sea,
10even there Your hand will guide me;
Your right hand will hold me fast.
11If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me,
and the light become night around me”—
12even the darkness is not dark to You,
but the night shines like the day,
for darkness is as light to You.
13For You formed my inmost being;a
You knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14I praise You,
for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Marvelous are Your works,
and I know this very well.
15My frame was not hidden from You
when I was made in secret,
when I was woven together
in the depths of the earth.
16Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all my days were written in Your book
and ordained for me
before one of them came to be.
17How precious to me are Your thoughts,b O God,
how vast is their sum!
18If I were to count them,
they would outnumber the grains of sand;
and when I awake,
I am still with You.
19O God, that You would slay the wicked—
away from me, you bloodthirsty men—
20who speak of You deceitfully;
Your enemies take Your name in vain.c
21Do I not hate those who hate You, O LORD,
and detest those who rise against You?
22I hate them with perfect hatred;
I count them as my enemies.
23Search me, O God, and know my heart;
test me and know my concerns.
24See if there is any offensive way in me;
lead me in the way everlasting.
 
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How do we know that the Spirit Of God Loves us, by His Living word of course, he loved my heart before I loved His....I would never know God in my spirit, if I wasn’t Born Again of imperishable seed..

He knows everything about me, you, even as non believers....

Our hearts that he poured his Love into, is our spirit..Born Of The Spirit.

His Living word birthed our spirit, just as His written word backs up.

Spirit gives birth to spirit....== the Living spiritual rebirth = self explanatory.

Flesh gives birth to flesh = the human birth ,

A Born Again has been Spiritually Born Again = our spirit is what received the spiritual rebirth.


In the Bible the heart is considered the seat of life or strength. Hence, it means mind, soul, spirit,
Romans 5:5
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And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

New Living Translation
And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love.

English Standard Version
and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

Berean Standard Bible
And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us
 
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And then there is the Book of Life _ with all our names in it / written before the foundation of the world That surely seems like we were predestined.
That is foreknowledge, not predestination. The failure to understand that is only a part of the problem in the Calvinist soteriology.
We cannot remove our spiritual blindness.
We cannot remove our spiritual blindness, but we can want God to remove it. That happens when we believe in God.
That said, if one believes that they can earn their salvation by keeping the Law only, then they are deceived. The Jews were the test case for the world ... and they failed. Still Romans 11 says a remnant Israel (Jews) will be saved soon.
Romans 11 says a remnant Israel had been saved already. Then since the cross (actually since that first Pentecost after the cross) there is neither Jew nor Greek.
 

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Can God know something that is inherently unknowable? That's the question behind what's called "Open Theism".
 
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Gods Living word is delivered to our hearts by His Living Spirit.

Flesh gives birth to flesh = human birth.

Spirit ( Gods LIVING Spirit) gives birth to spirit = our spirit.

The Living word ( His Living Spirit) that’s where we communicate with God...within our spirit, that’s the part of us that is Born Again.

In the Living Name of Jesus Spirit.

Amen!!xx
 

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The Spirit gives life because we are Born Again,the Spirit gives life to our spirit, because we are in the righteousness of Christ....we don’t have his righteousness, we are in his righteousness.our spirit has been set free from the shackles of spiritual death....we are Alive in Gods Spirit......Praise God...

Spirit gives birth to spirit....the Living Spirit Of God gives birth to our spirit. brings it Alive by the mighty power of His Living Spirit!


Once again this is in error

We have been imputed the righteousness of Christ, It was given to all and on all who believe

Romans 3: 21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 4: . 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

We are set free from spiritual death, because the thing which made us dead (sin) has been redeemed, He who knew no sin was made sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

New birth, has to do with Penal substitution, Gods justice demanded a payment for sin, The penalty or wage, is spiritual death.

God took away that payment by becoming sin for us. In this way, he redeemed us from the penalty of sin by suffering that death for us.

The only way that penalty can be removed is by being justified (declared righteous or innocent) by having Christ righteousness (he who knew no sin) imputed to us. and this ONLY occurs through faith.
 

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Once again this is in error

We have been imputed the righteousness of Christ, It was given to all and on all who believe

There is no error in my post, we are in the righteousness of Christ when we have been Born Again.

Those who believe in their heart, were brought to initially believe in Jesus by God, then we are gifted the faith to believe the Living Spirit Of God, for he has given birth to our spirit.

When he brings our once dead spirit to life by the power of His Living Spirit.

Are you saying we receive a dead Spirit of God when he makes us Alive in our Spirit?

You deny that the Spirit Of Jesus is a Living Spirit, you say the Living Spirit Of Jesus is the Bible, you Lie.

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.


You best put right that you say Jesus is not Alive in Spirit, that you say the Bible is His Living Spirit.....his word that he speaks to us is his Living Spirit, that is how we communicate with Jesus Living Spirit?

How else can we communicate with Jesus, if not by His Spirit?

That’s why we need to be Born Again.
Romans 3: 21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 4: . 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

Ephesians 2​

New International Version​

Made Alive in Christ​

2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christand seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved,through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
We are set free from spiritual death, because the thing which made us dead (sin) has been redeemed, He who knew no sin was made sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
The Living Spirit has set us free from the power of death,..when the Living Spirit does this...Spirit gives birth to spirit.
New birth, has to do with Penal substitution, Gods justice demanded a payment for sin, The penalty or wage, is spiritual death.

God took away that payment by becoming sin for us. In this way, he redeemed us from the penalty of sin by suffering that death for us.

The only way that penalty can be removed is by being justified (declared righteous or innocent) by having Christ righteousness (he who knew no sin) imputed to us. and this ONLY occurs through faith.
You said that the Spirit Of God is not his Living word.

You LIE and it will be uncovered.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.=

What Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Born of the Spirit...our spirit is Born Again by the Living Spirit.

Born of the Spirit...are you saying we are Born Again of a dead Spirit of God?

Therefore your lie must be uncovered by the Living Spirit Of God.

Are you saying that Gods Living Spirit is contained?

What’s that new heart and new spirit within us...are you saying it’s dead?

Gods Living truth will always prevail over the lie of man...in your case, I think it’s confusion....
 
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