You reject the Christ who is a Jew.
Your doctrine metaphorically kills him.
It’s his doctrine that you don’t want and don’t have.
Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God
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You reject the Christ who is a Jew.
Your doctrine metaphorically kills him.
It’s his doctrine that you don’t want and don’t have.
Eternally Grateful
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Jesus existed before abraham, Which means he existed before there was a jew.
If we just look at Jesus the jew. we will not find the true Jesus
they was Jews in the mosaic covenant
were are Christians on the new and eternal covenant
why do you think it’s possible to practice two covenants at one time?
How can this be?
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in thebosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Why is the verse saying “God the father”?
If only the father is God why give such a description?
why not just God?
Or just the father?
Wrangler
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I'm OK with that. Someone else pointed out that they agree and disagree with me on this point.
It's too ambivalent for me. LOL
See our previous conversation on the twelve tribes being Jewish.
Since you don’t consider me to be a Christian …
I don’t.
Theos can be used in two senses. The Father is regularly called theos; the Son seldom.
Ideal preexistence.
The true Jesus is a Jew. If we look at post-biblical Church history we will find “another Jesus”.
Eternally Grateful
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Jesus, as a human, was jewish
Jesus pre-exixted his earthly Body. As john said, he created all things, Not only did John say it but paul did
Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Yes. He is a unitarian.
There are two ways that could be true. Only one of the ways is.
John didn’t say that Jesus created all things.
Not “by him,” “in him” - as many translations render it.
“I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.”
That’s what I believe. That’s what John believed. That’s what Paul believed. That’s what Jesus believes.
Apostles' Creed
That’s what I believe. That’s what John believed. That’s what Paul believed. That’s what Jesus believes.
Apostles' Creed
Eternally Grateful
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Trinity is a Unitarian doctrine. One God in three persons. There are not three Gods.
God created man in their image,, Plural.
Moses spoke to pre0incarnate christ in the burning bush.. He said his name is literally, I I am.. or I have always existed.
Jesus said before abraham, in the greek, i i am, ie, I have always existed..
Thats why they picked up stones to stone him, he claimed to be God. The jews knew this. Why don;t you?
Trinity is a trinitarian doctrine, not a unitarian doctrine.
You should render it plural in English if you think it’s plural in Hebrew and Greek.
God created man in his image. Singular.
Moses spoke to an angel.
Jesus’ claim is to be the Messiah, not God.
There is no God besides his God.
The Jews in question were ex-disciples.
I know the trinitarian version of the story.
Eternally Grateful
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Then God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE
And yes, He created man in HIS image
But it proves my point. God is one God. God (in Genesis, the plural form of the word God) said let us (plural) creat man in our image,
Yet God made man in his (singular) image. God is one..
The angel of the lord is an OT name for The God of Israel. Or the lord. Or Jesus. If you look at the passage, it says God told moses to come to him. Not an angel
Exodus 3: 4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush,“Moses! Moses!”
Yet Thomas called him the lord and God. And Jesus did Not correct him
The angels told them he is to be called wonderful. Counselor. Mighty God
I can go on and on and on
There is only one father. Jesus is not the father. He is the son.
They were pharisees.I would suggest you take a closer look at your bible. You keep missing important things.
You do not know the biblical version though. You keep missing important things, like who called moses from the bush,. The fact God said let us make man in our image, the fact Thomas called jesus God. The fact the ones who said god would come would be called mighty God.
AND the Lord Jesus Christ!!!
Continues I believe in the Holy Ghost
trinity or triune God
Father
Son and spirit
But one God not three
One Lord not three
Thanks.
There is no God besides the Messiah’s God. Everything else is idols.
Eternally Grateful
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Calling Jesus God is not an idol. It is calling him what he is.
As Thomas said. My lord and My God. If Thomas calls him this. Then so will I
Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God.
Kudos on the lower case l (cp. Psalm 110:1) but when Thomas saw Jesus he saw the Father - his God - in Jesus.
There is no God besides the Messiah’s God. Everything else is idols.
Eternally Grateful
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I look to what the Bible says. Not what people outside the Bible says.
The Bible says God (Plural) created the heavens and earth.
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