Does "LAW" matter?

[charity]

the laws (re)given at Sinai? no. But regardless, pick whatever "law" you like, it had a name, that Paul was familiar with--you would have to say "knew by heart" even.

I see you avoided the Q of whether the Decalogue applies to you or not

* Before we go any further, please keep your cynicism out of further comments, for it is not necessary, and simply offends. Thank you.

* I avoided nothing. The decalogue simply refers to the 10 commandments, which is part of the whole law given.

ah, what is your source for this? ty
"Israel's Codes of Conduct Compared to Surrounding Nations
www.crivoice.org › Bible Topics › Historical and Cultural Context
Mar 25, 2013 - Yet, Israelites were not the only people of the Ancient Near East who had such codes of conduct. Much of what is contained in Israelite codes can be found in other cultures, some pre-dating the Old Testament by centuries. Often these are attributed to..."

my understanding is that Israel lost their copy of Deuteronomy lol, at least for a few generations

* This alters nothing, of course other nations had laws that they lived by that is obvious from the Old Testament record, but the laws of Sinai were given to Moses to give to the children of Israel alone.

gee then you'd think that Paul--a former Zealot--would have been careful to use the term that applied to that law, wouldn't you?

* What 'word' of Paul are you talking about? Would you please supply a reference.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Willie T]

Well good on that person for going through the effort to list them all out. All I can say to that, is thank God we aren't living in Old Testament days.

Then, you obviously didn't read them? Too bad. Most of those "Laws" are the words God gave the Israelites when He chose them. There is much wisdom in those words for us humans. (And, BTW, no one had to go to much effort. That list has existed for thousands of years.)

 

[charity]

gee then you'd think that Paul--a former Zealot--would have been careful to use the term that applied to that law, wouldn't you?

* Are you referring to the Greek word, 'nomos' (G3551), used by Paul in Romans 7, that I referenced earlier? It refers to the law in general.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[bbyrd009]

* Before we go any further, please keep your cynicism out of further comments, for it is not necessary, and simply offends. Thank you.

i'm not meaning to offend here, but you would have to be more specific, sorry. Where was i being cynical again?

* I avoided nothing. The decalogue simply refers to the 10 commandments, which is part of the whole law given.

but you still have not answered the Q; and i don't need a lecture on the obvious wadr. But if you know any "laws" that did not descend from the Decalogue, this might be a good place to state them

the laws of Sinai were given to Moses to give to the children of Israel alone.

you are using the same term Paul used, "laws" generally speaking iow, could you be more specific? Bc the "laws of Sinai were given to Moses to give to the children of Israel alone" have a name, right.

 

[charity]

I would like us each to go down through this list, and although it is obvious that many of these would not pertain to people who are no longer under a system of sacrifice, can any of us say all these laws should be thrown out?

I think most of us already live by many of them in our everyday lives as Christians.

The Law: All 613 Commandments!

Who has said they should be thrown out? They are just not of value in regard to our righteousness before God. For that is in Christ, and in Him alone.

‘But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness,
hath not attained to the law of righteousness.’
Rom.9:31

‘For they being ignorant of God's righteousness,
and going about to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.’
Rom.10:3

‘For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness
to every one that believeth.’
Rom.10:4

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[bbyrd009]

* What 'word' of Paul are you talking about? Would you please supply a reference.

the law that Paul referenced that you say does not apply to you?

 

[bbyrd009]

Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

So what shall we say then? Shall we continue to sin, so that Grace may abound?

do you think that v you Quoted is saying that you do not have to keep any "laws?"

 

[bbyrd009]

* Are you referring to the Greek word, 'nomos' (G3551), used by Paul in Romans 7, that I referenced earlier? It refers to the law in general.

but there was, is a common word for that law that Paul did not use; he used nomos instead
Strong's Greek: 3551. νόμος (nomos) -- that which is assigned, hence usage, law

 

[Willie T]

Who has said they should be thrown out? They are just not of value in regard to our righteousness before God. For that is in Christ, and in Him alone.

Rom_9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom_10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Wow! I know you will probably want to get all offended here and say that I am also being cynical, but that sounds horribly cold, and just the opposite of what Jesus asked of us.

 

[charity]

So what shall we say then? Shall we continue to sin, so that Grace may abound?

do you think that v you Quoted is saying that you do not have to keep any "laws?"

My head is spinning with your constant questioning, and lack of any suitable substantiating facts. Perhaps as you are obviously enlightened you would enlighten me as to the name that you are referring to, because I don't know what you are talking about.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

Wow! I know you will probably want to get all offended here and say that I am also being cynical, but that sounds horribly cold, and just the opposite of what Jesus asked of us.

Well, Willie T,

I have no idea what you are talking about either. 'Horribly cold'? 'Offended'?
The opposite of what Jesus asked of us? - What is?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[bbyrd009]

My head is spinning with your constant questioning, and lack of any suitable substantiating facts.

wadr you still seem to be avoiding answering quite adroitly, no offense
if one of those questions lacks any facts you might need to give an answer, lemme know, it's certainly possible

Perhaps as you are obviously enlightened

? me? i'm just asking questions, charity, i am not giving any answers. As you have already noted. Not sure my answers to those would be very enlightening, i'm swimming in sin myself.

Pretty sure coming out from "under the law" is completely against the law now

 

[Willie T]

Well, Willie T,

I have no idea what you are talking about either. 'Horribly cold'? 'Offended'?
The opposite of what Jesus asked of us? - What is?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Sadly, I really do believe you likely have no idea, at all, what I am talking about.

 

[bbyrd009]

i gotta agree, but at the same time i would stress that this may not be any description of one's heart at all

you would enlighten me as to the name that you are referring to, because I don't know what you are talking about.

Mitzvot, Halakah, Talmud Mishnah Gemara, like that

 

[charity]

i gotta agree, but at the same time i would stress that this may not be any description of one's heart at all
Mitzvot, Halakah, Talmud Mishnah Gemara, like that

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

Sadly, I really do believe you likely have no idea, at all, what I am talking about.

That won't do, Willie T. It is no answer at all. Just a 'get out' response.
What a shame.

 

[Willie T]

That won't do, Willie T. It is no answer at all. Just a 'get out' response.
What a shame.

Well, as long as you post that the laws God gave have nothing to do with us, how can I explain anything to you? "Being in Christ" is a lot more than just technically being "saved."

 

[charity]

Well, as long as you post that the laws God gave have nothing to do with us, how can I explain anything to you? "Being in Christ" is a lot more than just technically being "saved."

‘For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness
to every one that believeth.’
Rom.10:4

Hello @Willie T,

With every epistle written there is a practical section where doctrine is followed by instruction. Ephesians, Colossians, Philippians all contain instruction in how to walk worthy of the Lord, unto all pleasing. We also have the in-working of the Holy Spirit in heart and life, by means of the written Word and it's application. So, no, I will stand by the verse above, Willie T, that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.

If that appears, 'cold', to you, then so be it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Willie T]

‘For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness
to every one that believeth.’
Rom.10:4

Hello @Willie T,

With every epistle written there is a practical section where doctrine is followed by instruction. Ephesians, Colossians, Philippians all contain instruction in how to walk worthy of the Lord, unto all pleasing. We also have the in-working of the Holy Spirit in heart and life, by means of the written Word and it's application. So, no, I will stand by the verse above, Willie T, that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.

If that appears, 'cold', to you, then so be it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I think you have missed the point of that verse, (I BOLDED it), and it has encouraged you to jump on the "The Law is Dead to Me" bandwagon.

 

[bbyrd009]

So, no, I will stand by the verse above, Willie T, that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.

iow you will not answer the Q of whether that means you do not have to obey the law or not?

You have been avoiding answering innocent Qs, and redirecting to already stated terms etc for three days, like a politician, but now we are done right. My questions are beneath you or something huh