Does satan hide The Way to the Tree of Life? Do Cherubim hide the Tree itself?

[pittsburghjoe]

Why isn't a renewed spirit an immediate ticket out of this fallen reality? Would that ruin the free will choice of unbelievers? Does this suggest an early rapture might not happen?

Does a renewed spirit cause God's spirit to be resurrected inside us? Is our level of connection and perception reestablished to God? Is a dead spirit, God's spirit being used for corrupt means (sin)?

Could satan's lie, that we can make our own rules, be an illusion of being separated from God? Is it only partial separation because it causes God to stop knowing us on a Holy/Spiritual level? Is the lake of fire actual separation?

Is the goal of life to renew our spirit through Christ so that He will renew our soul after physical death?

 

[Ziggy]

Why isn't a renewed spirit an immediate ticket out of this fallen reality?

The immediate withdrawal of the converted would leave a darkness behind so thick, the lost would remain lost.
Once converted we are the lights on the hill. We are supposed to be living breathing examples of the Lord himself.
Even with our poor examples and confused languages (ideologies)
the light though obscure is still preferable to the ultimate darkness the world would be in without us.

Is the goal of life to renew our spirit through Christ so that He will renew our soul after physical death?

The goal of this life, (in my opinion) is to realize that we willingly fell from grace and seek to find reunion through repentence to God.
I believe we were with God before birthing into this life. That some of us are the offspring of the original fallen ones.
Children of the devil, if you will.
The goal is to recognize the path we are on and to turn back from whence we came. With God.

Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

Shine On!
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Is the lake of fire actual separation?

The Bible says God is an all consuming fire. And yet the bush that Moses saw was not consumed.
The bible says those that enter the lake of fire will be tormented forever.

I am of the opinion that the Lake of Fire is the Holy Spirit of God. And those entering in will be, let's say "baptised" with fire.
Unrighteous indignitaion.. gnashing of teeth.
These are those who know the truth and refuse to turn from their evil ways.
Defiant.

These are those who walk in misery causing chaos and mayhem to those around them.
Never happy, always grumbling, always accusing.
Their spirits are tormented because they know to do right yet continue to do wrong.
And the fire in their souls are devouring them.

Some may even hit the bottom of the barrel and repent.
Some may never.

I don't know if it's seperation as much as being submerged into holy water.
To those who believe we are refreshed.
To those who believe not it is torment.

Just an opinion
Hugs

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Exo 26:31
“You shall make a veil woven of blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine woven linen. It shall be woven with an artistic design of cherubim.


The veil has symbols of cherubim. I think it is telling us how this reality is setup.

Cherubim hide the Tree of Life ..via the vail


2 Corinthians 3:15-16
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.


The Ark of the Covenant even had Cherubim on it.

satan hides The Way to the Tree of Life by blinding minds


2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.




21 Important Bible Verses About Spiritual Blindness

The Tree OF Life was a physical tree set in the Garden. The Tree if Knowledge of Good and Evil was a physical tree. They don't exist anymore. The Garden does not exist. I dont know for how long after sin that it did, but maybe till the Flood? If the Tree of Life survived the Flood, any fallen person would ate of its fruit would have condemned themselves to the state that they were in permanently. It had to be removed.
JESUS is the Life, the vine if you will, but He is the source of Life.
The veil is spiritual and when it is lifted, we can see spiritually. When the Law is read it seems to blind us again. Legalism is a form of blindness. GOD'S Grace through faith, lifts the veil of blindness.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The Bible says God is an all consuming fire. And yet the bush that Moses saw was not consumed.
The bible says those that enter the lake of fire will be tormented forever.

I am of the opinion that the Lake of Fire is the Holy Spirit of God. And those entering in will be, let's say "baptised" with fire.
Unrighteous indignitaion.. gnashing of teeth.
These are those who know the truth and refuse to turn from their evil ways.
Defiant.

These are those who walk in misery causing chaos and mayhem to those around them.
Never happy, always grumbling, always accusing.
Their spirits are tormented because they know to do right yet continue to do wrong.
And the fire in their souls are devouring them.

Some may even hit the bottom of the barrel and repent.
Some may never.

I don't know if it's seperation as much as being submerged into holy water.
To those who believe we are refreshed.
To those who believe not it is torment.

Just an opinion
Hugs

There is never separation?
What is spiritual death about then?
Spiritual death is using God's Spirit + wisdom of death, to sin?

sin will become extremely obvious? They will experience the pain it causes?

 

[Ziggy]

Spiritual death.

Oh yes I believe we seperate ourselves from God. And God puts the unruly children in a corner.

Spiritual death: no faith, no hope, no kindness, no love, no fruit.
Just a dead tree with no blossoms, no leaves. Empty.

Jude says it this way:

Jde 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jde 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Pain of loneliness, pain of regret.
Some.

The blackness of darkness forever... vs. a lake of fire.

hmm..

Either way it is a punishment. I don't believe either is physical. It is felt in the heart and in the mind.
Like the man Jesus found bound with chains. in torments.
Or the child that would throw himself into the water and into the fire..
these are emotional/spiritual torments.
We see that A LOT today with mental illness.
Homeless, abandoned ederly, children being indoctrinated to hate.

There is a verse I always contemplate:

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

another version:
NLT: For this lawlessness is already at work secretly, and it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way.

Gee not to get political here.. The only thing standing between them and you, is me.

I believe the ME is God's Holy Spirit. The comforter if you will.
When the angels release the four winds..
winds.. to me mean doctrines.
Christian, Judaism, Muslim, Communism

People will have to choose. No more fence sitting.

sorry I went off track..
Hugs

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Does satan want us to think God is not in us and separated from reality? Is it an illusion from carnal death-wisdom that hides The Way and The Truth?

death/sin hides The Way to the level of spirit/life, God wants in us for righteousness.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Exo 26:31
“You shall make a veil woven of blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine woven linen. It shall be woven with an artistic design of cherubim.

The veil has symbols of cherubim. I think it is telling us how this reality is setup.

Cherubim hide the Tree of Life ..via the vail

2 Corinthians 3:15-16
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

The Ark of the Covenant even had Cherubim on it.

satan hides The Way to the Tree of Life by blinding minds

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

21 Important Bible Verses About Spiritual Blindness

Hello, Joe.

For starters, are you referring to the occult tree of life, or the material tree that existed in the Garden of Eden and is also present in Paradise, i.e Third Heaven?

 

[Ziggy]

Does satan want us to think God is not in us and separated from reality? Is it an illusion from carnal death-wisdom that hides The Way and The Truth?

death/sin hides The Way to the level of spirit/life, God wants in us for righteousness.

I think satan wants us to believe in nothing. have faith in nothing.
He prefers the evolution version.
No one has any personal resposibilities, no one to answer to.
Your on your own.

Some people believe they are here for a purpose. Others believe we are here randomly.
We believe what we've been told, we believe what we've been taught.
Some become skeptical and walk away, while others who had no belief feel drawn to it.

What is it that we can't see?
Those things which are invisible, spiritual.
We have both physical and spiritual eyes.

Is this material world just an illusion?

I'm thinking of that verse about the beggarly elements:

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Ofcourse these things are material, days, months, times, years.
Is Paul saying these things are just an illusion?

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not ;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using, after the commandments and doctrines of men?

rudiments: The elements from which all things have come, the material causes of the universe

Come out of her my people..
Come out from the illusion.

good questions, food for thought.
Thank You
Hugs

 

[pittsburghjoe]

death is losing righteousness. You fall out of Grace of God. The Tree of Knowledge is death. satan hides The Way to become righteous again.

The good and evil in the tree is describing the loss of righteousness, but still having low level good spirit in you.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I think satan wants us to believe in nothing. have faith in nothing.
He prefers the evolution version.
No one has any personal resposibilities, no one to answer to.
Your on your own.

Some people believe they are here for a purpose. Others believe we are here randomly.
We believe what we've been told, we believe what we've been taught.
Some become skeptical and walk away, while others who had no belief feel drawn to it.

What is it that we can't see?
Those things which are invisible, spiritual.
We have both physical and spiritual eyes.

Is this material world just an illusion?

I'm thinking of that verse about the beggarly elements:

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Ofcourse these things are material, days, months, times, years.
Is Paul saying these things are just an illusion?

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not ;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using, after the commandments and doctrines of men?

rudiments: The elements from which all things have come, the material causes of the universe

Come out of her my people..
Come out from the illusion.

good questions, food for thought.
Thank You
Hugs

Interesting use of elements and rudiments, thanks for calling it out. This thread is all about illusion ..Cherubim

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Are Wheels within wheels of Ezekiel telling us that Cherubim have the ability to cause illusion? Does it relate to symbols of Cherubim throughout the OT? Are they guarding the Tree of Life by hiding it?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I'm watching real time devilish deceptions all over the main stream media.
Lies and more lies, twisting turning history. It's all in the mind. It's all a delusion.

When Adam and Eve partook of the fruit of knowledge, they KNEW evil as well as good.
And EVIL cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Not only were they decieved they tried to decieve God by passing the buck instead asking for forgiveness and repenting.
That's why the way was closed. IN MY OPINION.

just thinking

tree of knowledge is wisdom on how to fall out of Grace/Righteousness ..death. God's Spirit is still inside you even after learning it, but not at a respectable level. I don't think the good and evil was about knowledge of it ..it would mean Adam and Eve knew what it was beforehand.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Thanks for the response, Joe, and good talking with you, LoL!

 

[Ziggy]

tree of knowledge is wisdom on how to fall out of Grace/Righteousness ..death. God's Spirit is still inside you even after learning it, but not at a respectable level. I don't think the good and evil was about knowledge of it ..it would mean Adam and Eve knew what it was beforehand.

Yes,
I believe the tree of knowledge was man's knowledge not God's wisdom.
Our own understanding.
It wasn't the tree that caused our downfall. It was the fruit of it.

God never said the day you touch it you will die, he said the day you eat of it.
That gets broken down like the good and bad figs.

Jer 24:2 One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.

figs, fig leaves..
why figs?

They learned works of the flesh as well as fruits of the Spirit. The fruit contained knowledge of both good and evil behavior.
they were poisoned.

thinking..

 

[Ziggy]

Are Wheels within wheels of Ezekiel telling us that Cherubim have the ability to cause illusion? Does it relate to symbols of Cherubim throughout the OT? Are they guarding the Tree of Life by hiding it?

I haven't given much study to Cherubims.
I've read lots of commentaries on the wheels within wheels..
I'm thinking time.
And I believe time itself is an illusion but we are trapped in it.
time is our prison.

I don't live by a clock or a calendar. I sleep when I'm tired, I eat when I'm hungry.
But my physical body is still confined by the elements of time.
I don't believe the Spirit is though.
The wheels within the wheels.
Spiritual eternity held captive by material time.

Maybe Cherubim are the keepers of time.
I don't have a clue.
Hugs

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Yes,
I believe the tree of knowledge was man's knowledge not God's wisdom.
Our own understanding.
It wasn't the tree that caused our downfall. It was the fruit of it.

God never said the day you touch it you will die, he said the day you eat of it.
That gets broken down like the good and bad figs.

Jer 24:2 One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.

figs, fig leaves..
why figs?

They learned works of the flesh as well as fruits of the Spirit. The fruit contained knowledge of both good and evil behavior.
they were poisoned.

thinking..

So the fruit of man's knowledge is what blinded us to God. Which is how we fell out of Grace/Righteousness ..death. satan tries to keep us blind.

 

[Ziggy]

So the fruit of man's knowledge is what blinded us to God. Which is how we fell out of Grace/Righteousness ..death. satan tries to keep us blind.

Brighter minds than mine have contemplated such things.
I'm just a simple folk.

I don't think the fruit had anything at all.
That was the deception. It was a lie.
But they chose to listen to the snake instead of listen to God.

That's why Eve said she was deceived.. there was NO TRUTH in it.

We aught to obey God rather than man.
Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Man has become as one of us to know.. truth and lies.

The LIE is what keeps us blinded to the Truth.

I think about things alot. I look at everything from different angles.
I believe there are layers of truth. Layers or lessons and insights.
And as we grow those things we think about get deeper and clearer.

Why would you die from eating a bad fig?
If it was a fig.. that's where they got the leaves from.
The leaves in the Kingdom are supposed to be for healing, but they hid themselves behind them.
Which leads to the parable about the trees wanting to put the fig tree in charge.

Jdg 9:10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
Jdg 9:11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?

This has to do with Abimelech wanting to reign over Shechem.

Jdg 9:2 Speak, I pray you, in the ears of all the men of Shechem, Whether is better for you, either that all the sons of Jerubbaal, which are threescore and ten persons, reign over you, or that one reign over you? remember also that I am your bone and your flesh.

I believe Abimelech is the bramble bush though.
Anywhoooo....

I believe whatever the snake told Eve.. all of it was a lie.
And when they knew what lying was, then they understood good and evil. Truth from Lie.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

that's one layer of the onion..
everyone has an opinion or an insight a comment..
Maybe we are all right, or maybe we are all wrong.

I like to think about it though. like buried treasure..
just keep digging for truth and understanding.
:)

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Adam and Eve could know what good and evil was beforehand, but as soon as that evil knowledge had fruit ..like lust or money ..it was time to get kicked out.

I think satan's lie caused the evil knowledge fruit.

he was a murderer from the beginning ..because ..he caused us death.

 

[Ziggy]

Adam and Eve could know what good and evil was beforehand, but as soon as that evil knowledge had fruit ..like lust or money ..it was time to get kicked out.

I think satan's lie caused the evil knowledge fruit.

he was a murderer from the beginning ..because ..he caused us death.

He tried to kill God.

What was in his heart from the beginning?
Replacing God.
You shall be as God knowing good and evil
I will be like the Most High
Yeah, Lucifer.

Did Eve "covet" being God?
Did Eve try to "steal" God's authority?

What was in Eve's heart that she desired the fruit?
Adam went along... they both shared the fruit.

He was in the world but the world knew him not.

Adam where are you?
The fellowship had already broken.
Darkness would not come to the Light,
so the Light came to the darkness to shed light on it.

At what point was the seed planted to make them covet ?

Eve approached the tree first.
why?
she was thinking about it ... actions follow thoughts.

I was alive once without sin. And then the commandment came and I died.

The least of these...
Thou shalt not covet.

The seed was planted the day God said Don't eat it.
They were being tested. tried.
They failed.
The snake was just the tool that was used to draw out their inner desire.
It was permission to sin.

Like in Job. Satan is a tool used to bring about repentance and humility.
He has boundaries.

But even the snake transgressed first. Because it was in his heart to entice them.
Thou shalt not lay a stumbling block before the blind.
He made himself the stumbling block, when he should have also obeyed the commandment to Love thy neighbor.

It's a dominoe effect.

Is it easy or difficult to follow my trains of thought?
If it's difficult I appologize.
I type as I'm thinking.
So my thoughts think their running a marathon.
and I end up rambling.